After Dhoni's retirement, mid-lower order (#5-#11) have simply stopped bailing us out

[kubrickian]

Ashwin and Jadeja can bat a bit. Apart from that, I dont think I ever recall lower order doing well for India in overseas conditions. Perhaps Kumble used to hang around a bit, but barring that most of them dont have the technique to survive long against fast bowlers, so they usually try to slog to score some runs while they are there and get out in the process. This makes a huge difference usually at the end because SENA countries tail can contribute in their own conditions.

 

Case in point, England tour was basically lost because of England's lower order contribution.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by kubrickian

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These have been difficult positions to bat for Indians.

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
SM Patil	1981-1982	8	12	2	669	174	66.90	2	4	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
SR Tendulkar	1990-2011	23	29	3	1325	169	50.96	5	4	2	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
MAK Pataudi	1967-1968	10	19	0	829	148	43.63	1	7	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
VVS Laxman	1997-2012	33	57	7	2067	178	41.34	3	13	3	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
M Azharuddin	1985-1999	28	44	3	1619	192	39.48	6	5	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
SC Ganguly	1997-2008	27	47	3	1654	144	37.59	2	12	3	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
AM Rahane	2013-2020	26	49	3	1720	147	37.39	3	10	4	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
RR Pant	2018-2020	9	17	1	572	159*	35.75	2	0	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
DB Vengsarkar	1977-1992	12	16	3	459	78	35.30	0	3	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
DG Phadkar	1947-1952	8	15	2	436	123	33.53	1	4	2	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
V Kohli	2011-2020	8	12	0	400	116	33.33	1	1	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
MS Dhoni	2006-2014	32	60	5	1731	92	31.47	0	13	6	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
KS More	1986-1993	16	24	4	627	73	31.35	0	5	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
SMH Kirmani	1976-1986	20	30	4	756	78	29.07	0	4	0	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
CG Borde	1959-1968	10	18	3	426	75	28.40	0	4	3	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
RA Jadeja	2013-2020	11	20	3	481	86*	28.29	0	3	2	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
N Kapil Dev	1979-1994	34	51	2	1253	129	25.57	2	6	7	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
M Prabhakar	1990-1992	12	18	2	400	67*	25.00	0	3	1	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
RG Sharma	2013-2018	11	22	2	466	72	23.30	0	2	3	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
R Ashwin	2011-2020	18	36	6	665	62	22.16	0	2	3	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2011	19	31	1	537	63	17.90	0	4	6	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
A Kumble	1990-2008	35	55	8	747	110*	15.89	1	1	8	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
Z Khan	2001-2014	30	50	10	524	51*	13.10	0	1	12

[Straight Drive]

9 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

I dont think I ever recall lower order doing well for India in overseas conditions. Perhaps Kumble used to hang around a bit, barring him most of them dont have the technique to survive long against fast bowlers, so they usually try to slog to score some runs while they are there and get out in the process. This makes a huge difference usually at the end because SENA countries tail can contribute in their own conditions.

 

Case in point, England tour was basically lost because of England's lower order contribution.

 

 

Agarkar and Kumble have tons in England.

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15 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Ashwin and Jadeja can bat a bit. Apart from that, I dont think I ever recall lower order doing well for India in overseas conditions. Perhaps Kumble used to hang around a bit, but barring that most of them dont have the technique to survive long against fast bowlers, so they usually try to slog to score some runs while they are there and get out in the process. This makes a huge difference usually at the end because SENA countries tail can contribute in their own conditions.

 

Case in point, England tour was basically lost because of England's lower order contribution.

 

They are not expected to do well.

 

We rarely win 2 matches overseas. Even to get that one win out of 5-6 matches, we need 2nd axis of batting at #5 or #6. Tail is not going to score 50s for us. But they can score 10-20 handy runs around that 2nd axis. That's creates a huge difference of 50 runs especially in low scoring matches.