Should Kohli and Rohit be banned if the 5th test is deemed forfeited by ICC?

[zen]

18 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

First up, ECB was rushing to get the test started and not follow the protocol. If a team member or staff is found positive, all players in close contact had to quarantine for a few days , in spite of testing negative or vaccinated status. 
 

 

Nope. The two boards decided to go ahead based on covid negative results. After that the best way to not take the field for a player is to be covid positive (not feelings and opinions).  

 

With the relatively re-opening up of west, we have seen teams compete in Euro despite COVID cases in the teams based on rest being COVID negative. 

 

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This doesn’t mean the players were conspiring to get the test cancelled and scoot off to IPL and hatched a plan with NCCI

 

 

Players though that they could leverage on the COVID loophole (without taking into account that they were COVID negative, in a different time period (a period where restrictions are being eased), and COVID scenarios in competitions like the Euro) to fly to UAE, putting Indian interest at risk. 

 

It is the display of indisciplined and brazen attitude which I oppose. 

Edited September 16, 2021 by zen

[Khota]

4 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

But you talking about their guildlines,so I asked.

Look on this forum as someone has posted the guidelines. What they were doing was not by the book.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Other coaches tested negative, still they quarantined. Krunal was positive, but other 5 who were in close contact with him, although they tested negative, quarantined too. For a few days until subsequent tests tested negative. The same here, at least 5 or 6 would have to quarantine as they were massaged by the physio. I don’t worship Kohli , seriously want Kohli to be ridden of captaincy, at least in LOIs.

Once again those are not the guidelines. Those are called excuses.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

And they followed that 

No.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Are you for real? Thing is if close contacts of Shastri got isolated despite testing negative then close contacts of Physio too would have been isolated. ECB had no right to ask those 8-10 players too play. Those 8 players could not have played.

Another my dog ate my homework post. Follow the guidelines.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

It doesn't matter. What matters he got isolated and same process would have followed for players too.

No

[Khota]

1 hour ago, kepler37b said:

@Khota ... Morality of some people is relative. They think that people with power and money can afford to "break some rules" as they are "special and talented and it keeps them happy". If you raise an objection, the response is "What is your aukaat you dirty low life fan?". 

 

This is blind worship going on where their stars can do no wrong.  Kohli/Rohit do their stuff and walk away.

[coffee_rules]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Nope. The two boards decided to go ahead based on covid negative results. After that the best way to not take the field is for a player to be covid positive (not feelings and opinions) 

covid negative is not cast in stone. After Ravi Shastri tested positive, all other coaches tested negative on first attempt. They quarantined based on close contact status and later when tested they were positive too.

 

Covid negative came about on Wed night. Next day, test starts, the players were apprehensive with the previous experience with other coaches and naturally had concerns. What the boards agreed in a hurry is all moot. ECB wants to safeguard 40 mill pound loss, would naturally cut corners. BCCI would do because they have close relations with ECB.  What the boards agreed upon had a risk that neither had endure like the players. Players, ka kya hain, they are paid in millions, deserve to be put under serious riks right?

 

4 minutes ago, zen said:

 

With the relatively opening up of west, we have seen teams compete in Euro despite COVID cases in the teams based on rest being COVID negative. 

Not with 8 or 9 main players being at risk of testing positive in subsequent tests. ECB could have waited for one more negative result to push their test. That would mean push the test by a couple of days, as some reports indicated players requested that. ECB put their iron fist down. It would have had better grounds for pushing forfeiture in that case.

4 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Players though that they could leverage on the COVID loophole (without taking into account that they were COVID negative, in the different time period, and status in competitions like the Euro)  to fly to UAE, putting Indian interest at risk. 

 

It is a display of indisciplined and brazen attitude of the subcon, which I oppose. 

 

In matters of personal health, people rights, there is no subcon or west. It has to be universal. 

[zen]

Just now, Khota said:

This is blind worship going on where their stars can do no wrong.  Kohli/Rohit do their stuff and walk away.

 

Also the feeling that BCCI is relatively powerful so it will take care of any mistakes. 

[coffee_rules]

9 minutes ago, Khota said:

Once again those are not the guidelines. Those are called excuses.

 Krunal episode is not guideline, but excuses?

[zen]

11 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

covid negative is not cast in stone. After Ravi Shastri tested positive, all other coaches tested negative on first attempt. They quarantined based on close contact status and later when tested they were positive too.

 

Covid negative came about on Wed night. Next day, test starts, the players were apprehensive with the previous experience with other coaches and naturally had concerns. What the boards agreed in a hurry is all moot. ECB wants to safeguard 40 mill pound loss, would naturally cut corners. BCCI would do because they have close relations with ECB.  What the boards agreed upon had a risk that neither had endure like the players. Players, ka kya hain, they are paid in millions, deserve to be put under serious riks right?

 

Not with 8 or 9 main players being at risk of testing positive in subsequent tests. ECB could have waited for one more negative result to push their test. That would mean push the test by a couple of days, as some reports indicated players requested that. ECB put their iron fist down. It would have had better grounds for pushing forfeiture in that case.

 

In matters of personal health, people rights, there is no subcon or west. It has to be universal. 

 

Does not matter. The players were COVID negative and decision to go ahead by the boards taken. 

 

The game did not take place because of the "personal feelings and opinions" of the players (and motivation to participate in IPLearly  esp. as captains of respective sides, putting India position at risk)

 

Pak has a losing record versus India in world cups. We cannot have a situation where someone in the squad test positive and Pakistani players decide to not take the field to enable the team to share points with India. If they are COVID negative, Pak players are expected to take the field versus India. 

Edited September 16, 2021 by zen

[Khota]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 Krunal episode is not guideline, but excuses?

The players were -ve.

[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, Khota said:

The players were -ve.

so why did the other 6  quarantine in Krunal's case ? excuses? or guidelines?

[coffee_rules]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Does not matter. The players were COVID negative and decision to go ahead by the boards taken. 

Without taking into players' safety concerns. Ultimately, players got their way despite what the boards decided!

 

7 minutes ago, zen said:

The game did not take place because of the "personal feelings and opinions" of the players (and motivation to participate in IPL esp. as captains of respective sides early, putting India position at risk)

not feelings and opinions - valid concerns and external profession input that advised them to not risk taking the field. The bolded part is your wishful thinking. None of them reported to show any inclination to leave early. In fact, Kohli even said it is Unfortunate that they had to reach Dubai early.

 

7 minutes ago, zen said:

Pak has a losing record versus India in world cups. We cannot have a situation where someone in the squad test positive and Pakistani players decide to not take the field to enable the team to share points with India. If they are COVID negative, Pak players are expected to take the field versus India. 

 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Without taking into players' safety concerns. Ultimately, players got their way despite what the boards decided!

 

not feelings and opinions - valid concerns and external profession input that advised them to not risk taking the field. The bolded part is your wishful thinking. None of them reported to show any inclination to leave early. In fact, Kohli even said it is Unfortunate that they had to reach Dubai early.

 

 

 

Does not matter. Safety is accounted for (including by conducting COVID negative tests) just like for everyone including Eng players. The game goes on. 

Edited September 16, 2021 by zen

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, zen said:

 

Does not matter. Safety is accounted for (including by conducting COVID negative tests) just like for everyone including Eng players. The game goes on. 

Yeah right! Game goes on for ECB, who can decide when to call off and when to continue.

[zen]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Yeah right! Game goes on for ECB, who can decide when to call off and when to continue.

 

It is not BCCI v ECB. Many are unnecessarily trying to turn it into that or even Ind v Eng and so on. It is about looking at the scenario from a relatively fair perspective and attempting to do the right thing. 

 

[Khota]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

so why did the other 6  quarantine in Krunal's case ? excuses? or guidelines?

Excuses.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, zen said:

 

It is not BCCI v ECB. Many are unnecessarily trying to turn it into that or even Ind v Eng and so on. It is about looking at the scenario from a relatively fair perspective and attempting to do the right thing. 

 

It truly is not but desis get sand in their vajijas.

[Khota]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

so why did the other 6  quarantine in Krunal's case ? excuses? or guidelines?

 

They should be kicked out for doing stuff that is not recommended.

 

Here are the gidelines:

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/when-to-self-isolate-and-what-to-do/

 

here is the point of reference for this:

 

When you do not need to self-isolate

If someone you live with has symptoms of COVID-19, or has tested positive for COVID-19, you will not need to self-isolate if any of the following apply:

• you're fully vaccinated – this means 14 days have passed since your final dose of a COVID-19 vaccine given by the NHS
• you're under 18 years, 6 months old
• you're taking part or have taken part in a COVID-19 vaccine trial
• you're not able to get vaccinated for medical reasons