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rollingstoned Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: If hindus wanted to escape "Sharia ass", then India would have 2.5 million pending via applications from Pakistani hindus, but they don't. In fact, many hindus travel to India and return back to their motherland. So again, the hate exists in your imagination. Who gets to define "gaddar"? It seems to be thrown around on twitter by random people. Doesn't the upcoming "superpower" India have courts to define and judge true "traitors" and punish them internally rather than ask them to go to a country that their great grandparents didn't choose to go to? What kind of hateful logic is this. So disappointing to see that there may be widespread support for this way of thinking. Lol exponentially more of your minorities made a beeline for India which was why the CAA was passed in the first place compared to the mard e chowmeens in India who reportedly are being gassed everyday by the Hindutvawadi govt in power and are supposedly making life unbearable for them yet won't move to the idyllic riasat e pudina which 'Hindu mobs' forced Islamists to make. infact if given a choice, most of you would move here sharpish regardless of rhetoric and religion because life here is so much better and you know it which is why you hold India to higher standards than your sorry excuse of a failed state. Not interested in non existent anecdotes of Hindus travelling to India and returning back to their 'motherland' which you obviously pulled out of your rear orifice. 'Hate' or otherwise, this definitely is a product of your fertile but mediocre imagination. For any dharmic their 'motherland' will always be India, a concept that a Mohammedan cultist can never hope to understand. 'gaddars' are defined by their actions and how they affect what they profess loyalto to which is not complicated. And no, the Constitution doesn't actually allow Indian courts to decide on treason though they do it anyway but they never 'ask them' to move anywhere which again you seem to want to hallucinate. You seem to not grasp the nuance of a population who are wise to their own experience so can make value judgements as against what courts and the judiciary do/ought to do. 'hateful' or otherwise, you are not capable of any logic but just rehashing very played rhetoric. Edited October 13, 2023 by rollingstoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: because not every Muslim voted for a separate homeland and many indeed wanted to stay. It was an explicit understanding established by Congress leaders that they won’t be forced to leave, but the hate mongers and Hindu mobs had other plans. Indeed, even today, Muslims are told to go to Pakistan, which is pathetic to see. As a parallel “go to India” for Hindus in Pakistan doesn’t exist. ? After splitting the country on the basis of religion, better do what your co-religionists have voted for right? Almost all of the cream of the Muslims in India left to go to Pakistan of their own volition. Noone forced them to go. If people were forced to go, India would not have the second/third largest Islamic population in the world. Btw - where were the Muslims who were vocal against partition and asked Jinnah and the Muslim league to take a hike? Other than the Great Frontier Gandhi (an actual Mahatma compared to the original) I can't remember a single prominent Muslim leader who compelled people to stay in a united India. In Pak there is no "go to India" because people are killed or converted. They are not given the option to flee. Edited October 13, 2023 by bharathh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: It’s not my job to un-indoctrinate you. You need to question the history you’ve been told, specially the recently revised versions by RSS inspired Hindu nationalists, who have exaggerated Muslims as Dracula to control and manipulate Hindus and gain power. There is literally droves of literature available on invasions led by Hindu kings and their aftermaths. I have never denied the barbaric acts of Muslim invaders of those times, but one cannot judge the people of those times with today’s values, specially when behaviors were non-unique. All three religions (Hindu, Christian, and Islam) had fair amount of zeal albeit at different eras. You guys must come out of the illusion BJP/RSS is selling you that Hindus didn't spread their religion with force, but Muslims did. -Do you think it was a magic that a large chunk of South and South East Asia suddenly started worshipping Vishnu and other gods at some point? -Think of Manipur. Do you think Vaishnavism was the main religion there always? Nope. It came in the 15th century in parallel with the Islamic expansion in eastern Bengal and only a couple of centuries ahead of Christian missionary expansion in the Naga territory. -Or for that matter Cambodia, Indonesia, Thailand, Laos and Malaysia - at one point Hinduism was the dominant religion there - whose influence can be seen to this day in art, drama, names of people, language, national symbols etc. Do you think it happened by accident that the natives there adopted hindu religions and names there? According to your historians, cute Hindu friendly missionaries arrived there, and locals said OK we love you and we will follow Hinduism! The fact that billions+ Hindus live in India today is the biggest factual and undeniable evidence that there were insignificant efforts to convert them by previous rulers whether Muslim or otherwise. It’s living proof in plain sight. This is because Mughals were interested more in indulgence rather than Islam. They actually ruled with the help of local overlords like Rajputs and would have been stupid to change that balance. The same cannot be said of Iran for example, which was Samaritan and Zoroastrian prior to the arrival of Muslims. The Persian empire was converted almost in entirety. Ditto in Turkey and Middle East where Christianity and other religions thrived prior to the arrival of Muslim invaders. So no answers to your hysterical Hindu rulers were terrible as you are not able to name a single person from many millenia. For all the other points you are making - please show any evidence that Hinduism spread by the sword in the North East of India or the South East of Asia. Happy to see evidence of equivalents of "Ralive Galive Chalive". Since you don't want to judge rulers of ealier times by today's morals (since you are unable to find examples of Hindu tyrant rulers)... how about what happened in Kashmir 30 years ago? Or say what is happening in Pakistan today to the Ahmediyas. It is extremely ironic that Ahemidyas - one of the most vocal proponents of partition - find themselves in the situations they are in today. rollingstoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, bharathh said: ? After splitting the country on the basis of religion, better do what your co-religionists have voted for right? Almost all of the cream of the Muslims in India left to go to Pakistan of their own volition. Noone forced them to go. If people were forced to go, India would not have the second/third largest Islamic population in the world. Btw - where were the Muslims who were vocal against partition and asked Jinnah and the Muslim league to take a hike? Other than the Great Frontier Gandhi (an actual Mahatma compared to the original) I can't remember a single prominent Muslim leader who compelled people to stay in a united India. In Pak there is no "go to India" because people are killed or converted. They are not given the option to flee. This fellow - like a lot of Muslims - knows nothing of either Islam or history. That or he pretends to be stupid and ignorant so he can indulge every fallacy and falsehood to the fullest extent in the hope no one will notice and get defensive, which is again very true to form. bharathh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, rollingstoned said: It seems to be our job to un-indoctrinate you since relentlessly bs madarsa chaap propaganda is all you have to offer, the contrary to which is obviously going to seem to be revisionism by 'RSS inspired Hindu nationalists' who have accurately apprised the role Muslims have had in the partititon of India but nevertheless want to claim that any earnest truth discovery that in anyway contradicts this Islamist-secularist dogma is the desire to turn Muslims into a 'Dracula' because they do not turn 'Hindus' into equal 'Draculas' just so their narrative appear more palatable. there is no 'literally droves of literature' available on invasions led by 'hindu kinds and their aftermaths' other than what you want to imagine, which you have anyway demonstrated you want to overstate for your own agenda regardless of your own ignorance on the matter ignoring the treasure trove of literature that exists on Islamist and Muslim league excesses that had an effect on the subcontinent to this day. Wouldn't expect anything more from cerebrally challenged inbreds who worship an unlettered paedophile. You sure you haven't? Wouldn't seem that way and isn't the case. And if you weren't intent on trying to defend them, yes we can, we can objectively compare what effect they had on the areas they invaded you utter, utter dunce. No 'all 3 religions did not have the same amount of zeal at different eras'. They were not even the same unless you were being deliberately disingenuous or woefully ignorant of the facts. You need to come out of the illusion that BJP/Rss is in anyway the same as what the church or barbarian megalomaniacs who wanted to spread the word of Islam did when there is no evidence to indicate that the former is in anyway comparable to the latter which can be historically proven if dunces with sub par IQs with agendas were not trying to prove otherwise, thereby allowing their mask of neutrality to slip most perceptibly every time they did so or that anything which doesn't sit well with you is something BJP/RSS is selling. It's quite honestly roohani cope. Not magic, but peaceful conquest you unlettered, madarsachaap ignoramus who is incapable of understanding nuance and thinks every invasion is the same regardless of the effects it had because of his own biases and lack of IQ. Look at what % of the population speaks unfavorably of the Hindu influence in these places for an example of what a civilizing mission actually is. Something barbarian, primitive monotheistic and conflict centred ethical codes will never understand. the fact that you mention the Zoroastrians who actually civilized the Arab world amply underscores my point who have every bone to pick with Islam today. The fact that billion+ Hindus live today and that a whole country exsists just to plots for it's downfall regardless of it's own deplorable situation based on what some unlettered medieval paedophile fantasised is the biggest factual and undeniable evidence that their resistance paid off and that their ethical and philosophical codes were superior to the inferior and primitive barbarians who sought to convert them which is why they still remain in a numerical superiority in the collective subcontinent despite every effort to the contrary. It is living proof in plain sight. That you think that it is proof of the non existent tolerance of the Islamist hordes who were inspired by some pedophiliac warlord imposing his world view as divine diktats is evidence all of your ignorance, wishful thinking, fanciful imagination and complete imbecility becasue it is not borne by any historical facts. they don't see why India did not fall to the sword where others did and why their 'roohani taakat' failed in this instance but foolishly assume it was for a lack of trying, which is not surprising of course. “Peaceful conquest”. What an unbiased intellectual you are. I will not even waste my time responding to your posts after “peaceful Conquest”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, bharathh said: So no answers to your hysterical Hindu rulers were terrible as you are not able to name a single person from many millenia. For all the other points you are making - please show any evidence that Hinduism spread by the sword in the North East of India or the South East of Asia. Happy to see evidence of equivalents of "Ralive Galive Chalive". Since you don't want to judge rulers of ealier times by today's morals (since you are unable to find examples of Hindu tyrant rulers)... how about what happened in Kashmir 30 years ago? Or say what is happening in Pakistan today to the Ahmediyas. It is extremely ironic that Ahemidyas - one of the most vocal proponents of partition - find themselves in the situations they are in today. Yes buddy. They were converted by “peaceful conquest” as your fellow just posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: If Hundus are so thriving and happy in Pakistan, how come there is one Hindu girl being abducted in SIndh everyday and gets converted. You conveniently the fact the Muslims in India are increasing in numbers. How does that explain if everybody is asked to go. You should go to places like Aligarh, Hyderabad, Aurangabad, Mewat (Nuh) to see how scared Muslims living in those cities are. The police are scared to go to such places. Exactly. This is evidence that 2.5 Million Hindus are being persecuted. Good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 56 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Yes buddy. They were converted by “peaceful conquest” as your fellow just posted. You are welcome to find anything to support your viewpoint. Unlike Islam, hinduism Or Sanatana Dharma did not spread through the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: “Peaceful conquest”. What an unbiased intellectual you are. I will not even waste my time responding to your posts after “peaceful Conquest”. I don't blame you since you are a simpleton who only knows about the conquests that are sanctified by your good book and Rasgulla and thus project that onto every one else across time and history, never mind trying to understand degrees or having a sense of proportion which would make it an irrelevant comparison. A primitive cult and it's apologists deserve each other since they display the same levels of mental midgetry and lack of sophistication in their thought process. At any rate even if I were to humor you and buy the lie that it was a complete genocide like what Islam tries to inflict it still pales in comparison to the body count and depredation that every Muslim zealot inflicted on the subcontinent of which numbers exist from primary sources, which is something you don't seem to be able to grasp. Edited October 14, 2023 by rollingstoned bharathh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Yes buddy. They were converted by “peaceful conquest” as your fellow just posted. Conquests can also be bloodless, go look it up. it's even there in your own book which is why you're encouraged to breed like rabbits almost to the point of religious taboo so you win the numbers game. if you can otoh find any substantive bloc in any part of S east asia who have a bone to pick with us - like native Americans and other colonised people do - or that they are in any significant way ashamed of being a part of the Dharmic sphere historically then do let us know. It would need more effort than copy pastas from Google or AI language models with sanitised sources that confirm your biases and only underline your deep ignorance on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Exactly. This is evidence that 2.5 Million Hindus are being persecuted. Good job! No this is evidence that Hindus - and other non-Muslims - are thriving in the utopia that is the land of the pure because the populace are kind enough not to do this to every single non-Muslim living there. What ingrates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, rollingstoned said: I don't blame you since you are a simpleton who only knows about the conquests that are sanctified by your good book and Rasgulla and thus project that onto every one else across time and history, never mind trying to understand degrees or having a sense of proportion which would make it an irrelevant comparison. A primitive cult and it's apologists deserve each other since they display the same levels of mental midgetry and lack of sophistication in their thought process. At any rate even if I were to humor you and buy the lie that it was a complete genocide like what Islam tries to inflict it still pales in comparison to the body count and depredation that every Muslim zealot inflicted on the subcontinent of which numbers exist from primary sources, which is something you don't seem to be able to grasp. Oh, of course! Hindu conquerors embarked on a magical journey, generously sharing chocolates and hugs throughout South Asia and East Asia. Miraculously, people surrendered their lands, declaring, 'We adore your chocolates so much, forget our faith, we're Hindu now!' And just like that, they all lived blissfully ever after, leaving me utterly teary-eyed with this touching tale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 5 hours ago, bharathh said: You are welcome to find anything to support your viewpoint. Unlike Islam, hinduism Or Sanatana Dharma did not spread through the sword. Yes, the legend has it that it was the special Indian chocolates that did the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, rollingstoned said: Conquests can also be bloodless, go look it up. it's even there in your own book which is why you're encouraged to breed like rabbits almost to the point of religious taboo so you win the numbers game. if you can otoh find any substantive bloc in any part of S east asia who have a bone to pick with us - like native Americans and other colonised people do - or that they are in any significant way ashamed of being a part of the Dharmic sphere historically then do let us know. It would need more effort than copy pastas from Google or AI language models with sanitised sources that confirm your biases and only underline your deep ignorance on this matter. Yup, conquests can be anything nationalist historians like them to be. Even if they defy common sense and physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Oh, of course! Hindu conquerors embarked on a magical journey, generously sharing chocolates and hugs throughout South Asia and East Asia. Miraculously, people surrendered their lands, declaring, 'We adore your chocolates so much, forget our faith, we're Hindu now!' And just like that, they all lived blissfully ever after, leaving me utterly teary-eyed with this touching tale Best not to talk about things it is evident you don't know anything about, especially when you have a bald faced agenda which you somehow think is well concealed. Such chomus should especially not try their hand at sarcasm lest it land like above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Yup, conquests can be anything nationalist historians like them to be. Even if they defy common sense and physics. If being a 'nationalist historian' means you don't invent fables and believe in chimeras because your ideological biases don't distort reality sufficiently enough to do so, then maybe it is something more hack 'non-nationalist' Islamist sympathizing historians should try. bharathh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 5:47 AM, Sharjah-Harjah said: Oh, of course! Hindu conquerors embarked on a magical journey, generously sharing chocolates and hugs throughout South Asia and East Asia. Miraculously, people surrendered their lands, declaring, 'We adore your chocolates so much, forget our faith, we're Hindu now!' And just like that, they all lived blissfully ever after, leaving me utterly teary-eyed with this touching tale Check what Jainsism stands for. . Go and check number of wars raged by Asoka to spread Buddhism from India to China, to Malayasia to Srilanka. Check how Sanatan Dharma was revived in India which allmost but Buddhist land before that. Seriously Pakistani education system needs reform. No wonder, a lot of Indians have started thinking if Pakistan can ever get educated/enlightened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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