King Tendulkar Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 They are so thick. They have a very good spinner and don't pick him. Instead they pick part timers like Patel who get smoked and do jack with the bat. Monty would have been very effective today and could have made a difference. Yes his fileding and batting is not top class but its still better then munafs and we pick him. They are making a big mistake not picking him and opting for part timers like Swann and Patel
Holysmoke Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 Its ok, let them be that thick. Just like the Aussies. (Where was the #1 ODI bowler in the world :hysterical:)
philcric Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 They gave plenty of chances to Panesar but he was a big failure. And Panesar is not just "not top class" in batting and fielding,, he is awful.
Holysmoke Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 They gave plenty of chances to Panesar but he was a big failure. And Panesar is not just "not top class" in batting and fielding,, he is awful. Yes, but he would be a different proposition in India, on these kind of pitches. Incase you didnt notice, ALL english wickets today were taken by finger spinners. Also, wtf is Bopara doing at #8. Wasnt he the top scorer in county cricket?
philcric Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 Yeah Bopara is wasted at #8. Think their main problem is with their opening pair. Bell is still a "talented young player" who's never stepped up. Prior who's supposed to have license to go after bowlers just crabs his way most of the time and puts pressure on the middle order.. I don't think Panesar would be a good ODI player, even for England. Swann and S Patel are alright for England.
DomainK Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 I agree with Holly. Panesar would be good on Indian wickets. Yes, he bats and fields bad, but they need a good spinner badly now.
Holysmoke Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 I don't think Panesar would be a good ODI player, even for England. Swann and S Patel are alright for England. Agree with you on Prior. He should be 8. KP, Colly, Freddie and Bopara should bat higher up. As for the spinner, I dont think Swann and S Patel are gonna cut it against India. Against other sides maybe, not against India in India. You need Monty there, no doubt about it.
Holysmoke Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 I agree with Holly. Panesar would be good on Indian wickets. Yes' date=' he bats and fields bad, but they need a good spinner badly now.[/quote'] Abbe teri toh. Holly bana diya?
King Tendulkar Posted November 17, 2008 Author Posted November 17, 2008 Panesar might take wickets and would certainly ask questions against yuv who is notoriously suspect against spin bolwing. Patel and swann are part time spinners, they also dont do much with the bat. monty could be a genuine wicket taker and wickets slow run rates. Also lets not forget, SINGH IS KING
philcric Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 Panesar might take wickets and would certainly ask questions against yuv who is notoriously suspect against spin bolwing. Patel and swann are part time spinners, they also dont do much with the bat. monty could be a genuine wicket taker and wickets slow run rates. Also lets not forget, SINGH IS KING KT, May be you haven't seen Panesar when he played ODIs. Because of his awful batting and fielding,, he is under tremendous pressure when he's bowling all the time,, and it just didn't work for him or England. And they probably didnt want to lose Panesar, the test bowler. Swann is not a part-time spinner. Patel doesnt do much with the bat?? I didnt check the stats,, but I think he's averaging close to 50 in CC this year. I agree that Eng needs a good spinner,,, but Panesar wouldn't have been all that good. Swann is adequate. They should probably get him in the side in place of Bell. Or even in place of a pacer (Anderson may be). +Prior Bopara Shah K P Colly Flintoff S Patel Swann Broad Harmison Anderson looks a bit better. Anyways,, whatever combination you go with,,, India is simply a superior team esp. in Indian conditions.
zubinpepsi Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 KT, May be you haven't seen Panesar when he played ODIs. Because of his awful batting and fielding,, he is under tremendous pressure when he's bowling all the time,, and it just didn't work for him or England. And they probably didnt want to lose Panesar, the test bowler. Swann is not a part-time spinner. Patel doesnt do much with the bat?? I didnt check the stats,, but I think he's averaging close to 50 in CC this year. I agree that Eng needs a good spinner,,, but Panesar wouldn't have been all that good. Swann is adequate. They should probably get him in the side in place of Bell. Or even in place of a pacer (Anderson may be). +Prior Bopara Shah K P Colly Flintoff S Patel Swann Broad Harmison Anderson looks a bit better. Anyways,, whatever combination you go with,,, India is simply a superior team esp. in Indian conditions. first of all.. prior at the top order is a bit nonsense.. england needs openerss one who can take the attack to the opponent.. and i dont think bell n prior fit the bill... u mite have to look for someone else.. maybe luke wright n bopara or someone else.. i dont know.. and bopara at 8 down is just a wastage.. he has to be bat up.. and bring in dimitri.... bowling is ok i think...
philcric Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 Yeah Prior isn't very good,, but Eng lacks a good WK-batsman. They are stuck with him for now.
zubinpepsi Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 Prior is no good....apart from sledging. but his wifey is very good.. bangable... :D
bharat297 Posted November 18, 2008 Posted November 18, 2008 Panesar is an actual spinner ... I dont care about his batting and fielding ... his primary role is a spinner. He is Englands best spinner ... he should be in the ODI side.
cricketman Posted November 18, 2008 Posted November 18, 2008 India need some competition: My england side would be: Key Denly Pietersen Shah Bopara Flintoff Prior/Keeper (They all suck) Panesar Broad Anderson Harmison
Holysmoke Posted November 18, 2008 Posted November 18, 2008 Yeah Prior isn't very good' date=', but Eng lacks a good WK-batsman. They are stuck with him for now.[/quote'] Then he shouldnt be opening the innings.
Lord Posted November 18, 2008 Posted November 18, 2008 Yeah Prior isn't very good' date=', but Eng lacks a good WK-batsman. They are stuck with him for now.[/quote'] they have tim ambrose in the squad,although he isnt good either
msb1991 Posted November 18, 2008 Posted November 18, 2008 Monty Panesar has had his time in ODI cricket and failed to be a potent wicket taker in the middle overs where wickets are crucial to stem the potential flow of runs in the final ten overs. This is through bowling too flat and his main form of wickets coming from beating the defensive shot (either an outside edge, bowled or LBW), a most rare occurance in ODI cricket. Graeme Swann should have his turn now, and hopefully the Samit Patel as a front line bowler experiment will come to an abrupt end. Well, not hopefully, I do want India to win:D.
Kohum Posted November 19, 2008 Posted November 19, 2008 Yeah Prior isn't very good' date=', but Eng lacks a good WK-batsman. They are stuck with him for now.[/quote'] Vikram solanki was good I thought.
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