Gambit Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Why does Outlook debase itself by giving this woman a platform to voice her retarded opinion?
triam Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 I am 100% sure the Govt. of India would have atleast considered the possibility of some surgical strikes, specifically targeting terror camps in PoK ( not Pakistan mind you). They have thought about that before and sometime in the future, they will think about it again. Both McCain and then later Roy, were probably referring to that. And of course our official line will 'War is not an option'.. Whatdaya expect? Our govt ministers to go on a public war-mongering spree, sending the markets tumbling down and plummeting economic sentiment? War is ALWAYS an option, only its never publicly told as so. I am not contending whether war is an option or not, what I wanted to show was the misquote in her article. Oh Come on. If Arnab Goswami didnt like Roy's opinions, he should engage her in a dignified manner fitting a top news anchor, not turn his face to the camera and proclaim on live T.V that someone is disgusting. You call that acceptable? Roy didnt say Goswami must agree with her. She merely ask him to be more dignified and decent. Whats wrong with that? That would have been fine if she had actually asked him to be" more dignified and decent" which she didnt, and either ways, read this article where she goes on about R Guha http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1801/18010040.htm . Just a small quote from that article "Here's how Guha scores one of the more tragic 'own goals' since Escobar - you know what happened to Escobar! Guha isolates the sentence out of context and kicks it towards his own goal, then flies to the goal post to stage a spectacular save." Is she threatening Guha with some mob hit here?? cos thats what happened to Escobar. Read again. She didnt absolve Pakistan totally from all blame. She has just said 'the clear-cut link to Pakistan has become muddled because there have been some alleged local involvement. Whats so flagrant about that? And Just as an FYI, a few locals people have been arrested in Kolkata in relation to these attacks. Yes I know that few locals have been arrested, and obviously there needs to be local support for an event of this magnitude. And if this remark from her article "So already the neat accusation against Pakistan is getting a little messy". is not sarcastic, where it is conveying something akin to the Indian govt "neatly" accused Pakistan while it is not true, I dont know what else you can gather, she is absolving Pakistan and blaming the Indian Govt. And FYI, it is not even an accusation anymore, Pakistan may or may not be involved, but Pakistanis were. Yep, she does exaggerate here. Mumbai blasts would have happened irrespective of how we treat our Muslim citizens, coz, lets accept, those Islamic Mullahs in Pakistan simply do not like us. Good that you accept that, the worrying trend with her is that, this is not the first time she justifies these acts in a sinister way, and it is not just exaggeration it is OUTRIGHT JUSTIFICATION. No clue about V.P Singh, so have nothing to say about this. Dude, Im not patronizing you nor being a smart ass here, but how can you not know about VP Singh? and mandal commission? Sorry if this comes across as patronizing. My replies in italics.
Lurker Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Yep' date=' she does exaggerate here. [b']Mumbai blasts would have happened irrespective of how we treat our Muslim citizens, coz, lets accept, those Islamic Mullahs in Pakistan simply do not like us. This is very debatable Sriram. I am assuming you are talking of Mumbai '93 blasts. The trigger to 93 blasts was indeed the episode at Babri and later on the following Mumbai riots. Sure ISI/Pakistan Intelligence wanted to hurt India, heck they had been doing it since Khalistan days, but why was Bombay not hit before 93? Why was Mumbai underworld not rabidly anti-India even though the underworld bosses were living outside Indian shores(Dubai) for about a decade?? xxxx
Lurker Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Dude' date= Im not patronizing you nor being a smart ass here, but how can you not know about VP Singh? and mandal commission? Sorry if this comes across as patronizing. My replies in italics. I think South India was largely untouched due to Reservation saga. Maybe because in most of Southern states the reservation %age is anyway as big, or more, than what Mondal Commission had recommended. It was North India that mostly bore the brunt.
Ram Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 This is very debatable Sriram. I am assuming you are talking of Mumbai '93 blasts. The trigger to 93 blasts was indeed the episode at Babri and later on the following Mumbai riots. Sure ISI/Pakistan Intelligence wanted to hurt India, heck they had been doing it since Khalistan days, but why was Bombay not hit before 93? Why was Mumbai underworld not rabidly anti-India even though the underworld bosses were living outside Indian shores(Dubai) for about a decade?? xxxx I am talking about the recent blasts Lurks. Sure, the Muslim community in India do have some valid grievencies against certain sections of our society, but by and large, Indian Muslims are moderate. Its those foreign elements that instigate them to do something or, wholly orchestrate attacks in Indian soil. Dude' date= Im not patronizing you nor being a smart ass here, but how can you not know about VP Singh? and mandal commission? Sorry if this comes across as patronizing. My replies in italics. I promise you dude, I know little of what the Mandal commission is and what was VP Singh's role in it. I have heard that name fleetingly every once in a while but, never had a chance to really know about what it was about. I think South India was largely untouched due to Reservation saga. Maybe because in most of Southern states the reservation %age is anyway as big' date=' or more, than what Mondal Commission had recommended. It was North India that mostly bore the brunt.[/quote'] Possibly. From the time I started following mainstream national media ( from about '98), there havent been too many news reports on the Mandal commission or VP Singh's role in it. That may be another reason for my ignorance.
seedhi Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Salman Rushdie trashing Arundhati http://broadband.indiatimes.com/showvideo/3858365.cms
Guest dada_rocks Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Our constitution doesn't discriminate against anyone except the upper caste hindu.. So all those bogey discrimination issues dies there and then..
triam Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 I think South India was largely untouched due to Reservation saga. Maybe because in most of Southern states the reservation %age is anyway as big' date=' or more, than what Mondal Commission had recommended. It was North India that mostly bore the brunt.[/quote'] haha, yep southern states are already screwed by the deve gowdas and jayalalithas. Iam from Chennai too anyways.
Ram Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 I am not contending whether war is an option or not, what I wanted to show was the misquote in her article. Come on mate, you cant be terribly critical on her for this. She merely claims to repeat what John McCain said. Now, that may NOT the official govt. position, but still, she isnt claiming to speak on behalf of the Govt. of India. That would have been fine if she had actually asked him to be" more dignified and decent" which she didnt, and either ways, read this article where she goes on about R Guha http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1801/18010040.htm . Just a small quote from that article "Here's how Guha scores one of the more tragic 'own goals' since Escobar - you know what happened to Escobar! Guha isolates the sentence out of context and kicks it towards his own goal, then flies to the goal post to stage a spectacular save." Is she threatening Guha with some mob hit here?? cos thats what happened to Escobar. I am a bit lost on the Escobar bit. Can you elaborate? Yes I know that few locals have been arrested, and obviously there needs to be local support for an event of this magnitude. And if this remark from her article "So already the neat accusation against Pakistan is getting a little messy". is not sarcastic, where it is conveying something akin to the Indian govt "neatly" accused Pakistan while it is not true, I dont know what else you can gather, she is absolving Pakistan and blaming the Indian Govt. And FYI, it is not even an accusation anymore, Pakistan may or may not be involved, but Pakistanis were. Fair enough. God knows what mileage she could possibly obtain from absolving the pakistanis and blaming the Indian govt alone. You seem right, there are occasions of intellectual mishonesty here. Good that you accept that, the worrying trend with her is that, this is not the first time she justifies these acts in a sinister way, and it is not just exaggeration it is OUTRIGHT JUSTIFICATION. Thanks for pointing out these anamolies. I'll probably take what Roy says from here on with a pinch of salt.
triam Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Come on mate, you cant be terribly critical on her for this. She merely claims to repeat what John McCain said. Now, that may NOT the official govt. position, but still, she isnt claiming to speak on behalf of the Govt. of India. I am a bit lost on the Escobar bit. Can you elaborate? Fair enough. God knows what mileage she could possibly obtain from absolving the pakistanis and blaming the Indian govt alone. You seem right, there are occasions of intellectual mishonesty here. Thanks for pointing out these anamolies. I'll probably take what Roy says from here on with a pinch of salt. Palo Escobar, was a colombian foot ball player, he scored a own goal in the 94 world cup which eventually led to the elimination of colombia (who were hyped bfor the cup) from the world cup. After the team went back to colombia he was killed allegedly by a fan for scoring the own goal,(although there were serious mob related allegations etc etc).
Lurker Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Pablo Escobar was the Columbian soccer player who was killed for doing a self-goal in World Cup. Apparently it was done because a fan had lost a lot of money. Unless of course he is talking of Pablo Escobar probably the biggest drug baron of the world who was shot dead, again in Columbia if I am not mistaken.
triam Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 I was talking abt the soccer player, and I am pretty sure A roy was talking abt him too what with references to self goal etc. And you are right about the other Pablo Escobar drug lord from colombia.
triam Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 The reason I am pissed off with A roy is because, she is one of the reasons moderates and liberals are called "pseudo seculars" etc. I am socially liberal and I hell dont want to be clubbed with A Roy
Lurker Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 The reason I am pissed off with A roy is because' date=' she is one of the reasons moderates and liberals are called "pseudo seculars" etc. I am socially liberal and I hell dont want to be clubbed with A Roy[/quote'] Yep she is the liberal Limbaugh.
Guest dada_rocks Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 As long as socalled secualr space is being poccupied by likes of Arundhati Roy, Saeed Naqvi, Lallu prsad, ram Vilas Paaswan, Arjun Singh, A R Antulay, Mulayam Singh, Digvijay Singh, Communazis in general, Barkha Dutt and mainstream media ( refer my post of liberal use of hindu-terror and total silence of muslim-trerro phrase withitn a space of few minutres) etc etc.. Secualrism has no freaking credibility whatsoever As long as these morons from congres and other parties keep campianging against UCC secualrism is pure dhong. As lonmg as these morons keep shoouting in favour fo special law for illegal Banngaldeshis secularims has no cedibility. As long as these same morons keep sleepign with Muslim Leaguers on Kerala and Tamilnadu ( secualrism has no credibility. As long as congresis mororns keep gving comepnsation to likes of Israt jehan( see the diff one party gives monetary award to soldiers kileld another gives award to terrorist killed) their secualrism is thuggery As long as Mulayam and company keep defending SIMI secualrism is bogus As long as congresis morons keep questionign death of KArkare and Mohan Sharma secualrism bogus.. list is freaking long..
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