EnterTheVoid Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 Zap, I saw the pic of Mohammad and well .......... Religious and personal insults are two issues I hate to go near. Don't be mistaken into thinking, I've never used personal insults or had a laugh at satirical religious cartoons, but, now I make it a point to stay away from them as far as possible as they're sensitive issues and lead to fights / fistercuffs etc The reason I make such a big deal of these two issues is that you may inadvertently say the wrong thing to the wrong guy at the wrong time and regretting your actions for the rest of your life
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 I posted this on the Politics forum ... but cant blame India as such ... this is how our majority population wants things to be ... This forum is a very good example of how twisted we are when it comes to freedom of speech as ICF also doesnt allow to post such things. (It never stops the "founders" from indulging in chest thumping that we are a beacon of free-speech on the www .... but thats another story :-D ) As I keep saying yatha praja thatha Raja At least this is a news remember when Franocis Gautier's show on aurangjeb got tanked no mainstream media even bothered to report. His crime: well he depicted Aurangjeb's cruelty over sikh gurus .. In India truth must not be told lest it offends some mullah( wonder why mullahs sud be offended in first place for crime of aurangjeb lest he is a hero of theirs)
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 There will be more protests if someone wrote that" Lord krishna was never satisfied and kept marrying and ended up with more than 1000 wives. He possibly couldnt satisfy his urge to penetrate ... " now try to print this in India. That is opinion; in case of mhamamd he did it with 6 year old is a fact noone is specualtiung on why he did it but this happened.. again massacre of jewish tribe happened no ifs and buts
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 सबसे बरा प्रश्न ये है की कोई हूलिगन कुछ हिंसा करे वो और बात है पर यहाँ इंडियन कोर्ट हुलीगनिस्म को बढावा दे रही है |
coffee_rules Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 I think UK beats India in appeasment of muslims. They banned a anti-islamic politician and allow some banks to practice Sharia Law in finance (no interest mumbo-jumbo).
The Outsider Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 Yet again religion keeps dragging India down!
yoda Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 what is wrong in protesting peacefully and filing a complaint? if the complaint lacked merit it was upto the govt to dismiss it. much as the paper has freedom to write whatver they want, those who feel offended have their own freedom of expression to protest or lodge a complaint per the law. and yes, people do have religious feelings and it is common decency to let others follow their religion in peace without their prophets or dieties getting humiliated in the press or in other public forum.
Zap_Brannigan Posted February 13, 2009 Author Posted February 13, 2009 what is wrong in protesting peacefully and filing a complaint? if the complaint lacked merit it was upto the govt to dismiss it. Nothing wrong with protesting peacefully or suing, but i am blaming the govt for arresting. The senas in the pub attack are sick individuals but in this case, it is the govt, which is supposed to protect people. much as the paper has freedom to write whatver they want, those who feel offended have their own freedom of expression to protest or lodge a complaint per the law. and yes, people do have religious feelings and it is common decency to let others follow their religion in peace without their prophets or dieties getting humiliated in the press or in other public forum. How is it freedom to write whatever they want when you yourself say that they cannot write anything they want. People has a right to follow religion just as much as people have the right not to follow the same religion. Lets say that i workship Sachin, then will the govt arrest someone who says that he shd be dropped ? Its absurd.....just as absurd as having no freedom of speech in a democracy. Just because some people get offended by words, doesnt give the govt any right to arrest people. Is it even the law?
yoda Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Picked the following from another article: http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/2477.html ---The charges were made under three sections of IPC: Sections 295 (injuring or defiling place of worship with intent to insult the religion of any class), 295 (a) (deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs) and 120(b) (criminal conspiracy). So I guess we do have laws regarding insult to religion. What constitutes a religion? That is a good question. Not sure if there is clear legal definition to distinguish hinduism/islam from sachinism. But if one has to go by common sense we all know what the answer is.
Zap_Brannigan Posted February 13, 2009 Author Posted February 13, 2009 Picked the following from another article: http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/2477.html ---The charges were made under three sections of IPC: Sections 295 (injuring or defiling place of worship with intent to insult the religion of any class), 295 (a) (deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs) and 120(b) (criminal conspiracy). Thank you. I am astonished that its actually a law. I am ashamed to be an Indian today. Just noticed that saying the truth is now "deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs" What constitutes a religion? That is a good question. Not sure if there is clear legal definition to distinguish hinduism/islam from sachinism. But if one has to go by common sense we all know what the answer is. I really dont.
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Yet again religion keeps dragging India down! Sharm aa rahi hai naam lene mein religion ki ka :haha:
The Outsider Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Sharm aa rahi hai naam lene mein religion ki ka :haha: Nahin bhaiyaa, religion ke naam par auraton ko log maarte bhi hain aur unki izzat bhi lootne ki koshish karte hain aur woh threads bhi yahin milenge, jo Mussalman nahin hote. Aur to aur toxins ka vyapaar bhi shuru kar diya hai.
Lurker Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Picked the following from another article: http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/2477.html ---The charges were made under three sections of IPC: Sections 295 (injuring or defiling place of worship with intent to insult the religion of any class), 295 (a) (deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs) and 120(b) (criminal conspiracy). So I guess we do have laws regarding insult to religion. As there should be. Without religion there is no India, it would be China. It doesnt matter what religion you belong to but your identity is definitely linked to religion. There should be rules and regulations in place to handle situations when people try to hurt others religious sentiments. What constitutes a religion? That is a good question. Not sure if there is clear legal definition to distinguish hinduism/islam from sachinism. But if one has to go by common sense we all know what the answer is. Actually it is pretty simple. The law will follow what is defined as religion, or what is acknowledged as religion by the law. Sachinism isnt, Islam is. And so if a case if registered against defaming Islam the Govt will have to take action. xxx
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Nahin bhaiyaa' date=' religion ke naam par auraton ko log maarte bhi hain aur unki izzat bhi lootne ki koshish karte hain aur woh threads bhi yahin milenge, jo Mussalman nahin hote. Aur to aur toxins ka vyapaar bhi shuru kar diya hai.[/quote'] Wahan pe to sharm nahi aai naam lene mien phir yahan kahe la sharma rahe ho :haha:
triam Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Thank you. I am astonished that its actually a law. I am ashamed to be an Indian today. Just noticed that saying the truth is now "deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs" I really dont. There are a bunch of other draconian laws in our IPC which make no sense whatsoever. Lurker, Nobody is talking about no religion being in India, it is about freedom of speech, the comparison here should be with the Western countries and not China, they have both religion and freedom of speech (atleast far far better than what is in India).
Lurker Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Lurker, Nobody is talking about no religion being in India, it is about freedom of speech, the comparison here should be with the Western countries and not China, they have both religion and freedom of speech (atleast far far better than what is in India). The term freedom of speech is used selectively by most people and therein lies the problem, me thinks. In my opinion every religion, in this case Islam, needs to be covered unbiasedly. Suppose Statesman was carrying an entire month covering Islam and Islamic issue and this article was just one amongst other 30, that would make for a very valid point. However it turns out this was only one article and pratically out of nowhere. Now if the Editor fights for his cause saying the Consitution grants him the rights, then religious minded people will also have reasons to level charges against him. In the end it becomes free for all. Half of the time the media covers things that are bad in a religion and Islam takes the beating most of the time. I would be very interested if an Indian media dedicated an entire month as Islamic studies, and see how many Indians really follow that edition. Would be delighted if Panchjanya did the same! xxx
triam Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 The term freedom of speech is used selectively by most people and therein lies the problem, me thinks. In my opinion every religion, in this case Islam, needs to be covered unbiasedly. Suppose Statesman was carrying an entire month covering Islam and Islamic issue and this article was just one amongst other 30, that would make for a very valid point. However it turns out this was only one article and pratically out of nowhere. Now if the Editor fights for his cause saying the Consitution grants him the rights, then religious minded people will also have reasons to level charges against him. In the end it becomes free for all. Half of the time the media covers things that are bad in a religion and Islam takes the beating most of the time. I would be very interested if an Indian media dedicated an entire month as Islamic studies, and see how many Indians really follow that edition. Would be delighted if Panchjanya did the same! xxx Lurker, I agree there is a niche spot for some kind of media in India which is unbiased like PBS over here, sadly that is still open and someone can step onto it later on, but thats not the issue here. My issue with free speech is that, it should be completely free, be it against Islam or Hinduism or Chatrapata sivaji or the prophet or mother teresa, as long as it doesnt incite violence, everything should be game.
Lurker Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 My issue with free speech is that, it should be completely free, be it against Islam or Hinduism or Chatrapata sivaji or the prophet or mother teresa, as long as it doesnt incite violence, everything should be game. And I will agree to that in principal. I will also think that as a nation India is not there yet. We are deep rooted in our culture, religion, traditions and hence it is not easy to take any criticism as merely freedom of speech. Think it like this. These days India seems to be the flavour in the West. You will hear good things about India every 2nd day in the media. And so on days when India is criticized, or shown in bad light, people are indifferent to it since criticism comes with the territory of having won compliments. However articles like this form the part where only criticism is made and so for the followers of the religion it can give ammunition for being greaved. I do have issue against violence but if the followers sued on an Indian law that is well within their rights. xxx
triam Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 And I will agree to that in principal. I will also think that as a nation India is not there yet. We are deep rooted in our culture, religion, traditions and hence it is not easy to take any criticism as merely freedom of speech. Think it like this. These days India seems to be the flavour in the West. You will hear good things about India every 2nd day in the media. And so on days when India is criticized, or shown in bad light, people are indifferent to it since criticism comes with the territory of having won compliments. However articles like this form the part where only criticism is made and so for the followers of the religion it can give ammunition for being greaved. I do have issue against violence but if the followers sued on an Indian law that is well within their rights. xxx The problem with that law is that, it is misused grossly so much that so, people ban orkut communities because someone criticizes Sonia etc. I do agree with the gist of your post.
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