veeru_rocks Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 (1) The form of the future constitution should be federal with the residuary powers vested in the provinces. Could have lived with this one (2)A uniform measure of autonomy shall be granted to all provinces. Given the fissiperous tendencies rampnt in those days this was not acceptable. Ironically same Jinnah not only didn't like autonomy inside pakistan , but also had given brief that no decision must be taken without his consent in parlaiment. His word prevailed over whole pakistani parliament. We all now know how baluchistan a forcibly occupied territory is crying for autonomy till today. Well the call of autonomy has morphed into call of independence (3) All legislatures in the country and other elected bodies shall be constituted on the definite principle of adequate and effective representation of minorities in every province without reducing the majority in any province to a minority or even equality. In democracy you get representataion based on vote. And if you must have no. of representaive base on percentage of population it should be across the board for every state.. (4) In the Central Legislature, Muslim representation shall not be less than one third. I guess their number was 1/3rd hence this demand cud have been lived with (5) Representation of communal groups shall continue to be by means of separate electorate as at present, provided it shall be open to any community at any time to abandon its separate electorate in favor of a joint electorate. That's how it was in those days (6) Any territorial distribution that might at any time be necessary shall not in any way affect the Muslim majority in the Punjab, Bengal and the North West Frontier Province. Read this in light of point number (9) where he asks for division of sindh in order to carve out a muslim majority province (7)Full religious liberty, i.e. liberty of belief, worship and observance, propaganda, association and education, shall be guaranteed to all communities. Fine (8)No bill or any resolution or any part thereof shall be passed in any legislature or any other elected body if three-fourth of the members of any community in that particular body oppose such a bill resolution or part thereof on the ground that it would be injurious to the interests of that community or in the alternative, such other method is devised as may be found feasible and practicable to deal with such cases. This was utter nonsense so two member of let us christian community cud hold the whole parliament ransom. (9)_Sindh should be separated from the Bombay Presidency. Yes I hear you benagl and punjab shoudl remain intact but sindh sud be divided.. Consistency Jiinah consistency (10)Reforms should be introduced in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) and Baluchistan on the same footing as in the other provinces. No problme with this one (11)Provision should be made in the constitution giving Muslims an adequate share, along with the other Indians, in all the services of the state and in local self-governing bodies having due regard to the requirements of efficiency. Religion based reservation at the cost of meritocracy.. Not acceptable (12) The constitution should embody adequate safeguards for the protection of Muslim culture and for the protection and promotion of Muslim education, language, religion, personal laws and Muslim charitable institution and for their due share in the grants-in-aid given by the state and by local self-governing bodies. Why minority alone what crime had majority religion done (13)No cabinet, either central or provincial, should be formed without there being a proportion of at least one-third Muslim ministers. Utter nonsense in states like Himachal where there are hardly any muslim why should anyone allow 1/3 muslim cabinet member. Well if they cud get themselves elected all power to them but this decree was nonsense (14)No change shall be made in the constitution by the Central Legislature except with the concurrence of the State's contribution of the Indian Federation. Meaning all state becomes kashmir .. not allowed..
Cricketics Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 I still can't believe how Gandhi accepted the proposal of a seperate muslim state. VD Savarkar was someone who was completely ignored the time the partition was hapening. He was the one who was pleading the Indian government to not to give these these charcoal hijackers and Jinnah, a seperate state but they simply ignored him and his association. He suggested them to ask Muslims(those who wanted to move) to go to middle east and build there your own state. Which was the best solution.
veeru_rocks Posted February 19, 2009 Author Posted February 19, 2009 Gandhi is overrated HE did good work of mobilizing indians so got to give him credit for that
Sachinism Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 HE did good work of mobilizing indians so got to give him credit for that No doubt, but a lot of others helped India as much as him and a lot of people don't even know them I didn't know much about Indian history till recently ( I still don't know that much) but we're always hearing Gandhi this and Gandhi that
veeru_rocks Posted February 19, 2009 Author Posted February 19, 2009 No doubt, but a lot of others helped India as much as him and a lot of people don't even know them I didn't know much about Indian history till recently ( I still don't know that much) but we're always hearing Gandhi this and Gandhi that Point taken .. It's like all projectes funded by people's money named after rajeev/indira/nehru
Gambit Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 Gandhi's faux pas' are miniscule compared to what he did for us. And it's all very well to criticise him for his actions after 60 years despite none of us being around back then and not really understanding in complete detail the complexities of the situation then.
THX_1138 Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 only imbecile idiots can clamor for religion despite a scientific education at lincoln's inn etc etc.
THX_1138 Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 Gandhi's faux pas' are miniscule compared to what he did for us. And it's all very well to criticise him for his actions after 60 years despite none of us being around back then and not really understanding in complete detail the complexities of the situation then. i dont think the great man needs any defense. his critics form a fringe and well they are amusing if anything.
veeru_rocks Posted February 20, 2009 Author Posted February 20, 2009 Gandhi's faux pas' are miniscule compared to what he did for us. And it's all very well to criticise him for his actions after 60 years despite none of us being around back then and not really understanding in complete detail the complexities of the situation then. Ideological implication of his faux-pa are huge (1) Jumpig into khilafat ( utter nonsense to thsi day we are paying price for that) (2)Looking elsewhere while muslim were happli hunting even suggesting hindus to lie down and let them run over
veeru_rocks Posted February 20, 2009 Author Posted February 20, 2009 only imbecile idiots can clamor for religion despite a scientific education at lincoln's inn etc etc. dude at least check what u are typing in which thread
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