70 feared dead in attack on Pak mosque

[jaskaran]

Arundhati Roy is a self centered hypocrite:finger:,a magnificent quote from outlook magazines "Outlook: An open letter to Arundhati Roy" sums her up well "To call the foreign funded insurgency in Kashmir and the terror attacks across the country as justified blowback for the failures of the Indian state and civil society is both false and callous. It implies a failure of the imagination and the intellect and the complete abdication of moral responsibility by you."

If I was in charge' date=' I would make sure no militants infiltrated [b']J&K.

fixed!..and if I was in charge,i'd make sure that Pakistan would be wiped off the map after Kargil,1999.

Almost half of Kashmir is in Pakistan control already. Make LOC international border. Anyone who wants to be with Pakistan should be allowed to move there. Not an inch of Indian Kashmir should be given to the jihadis. Population and land % wise Pakistani Muslims have got more than their fair share of pre-partition India.

and cover that area with landmines(North/South Korea style),any paki or paki sponsored terrorist tries to enter India should be blown into pieces then and there.

[veeru_rocks]

See the bright side guys both party are the same they blow each other in their respective mosques while people are praying.. Bright side for me is the ***** is confined amongst their own ideological tent.> don;t bother my ***** and I am a happy guy.. Have long resigned over actually making these guys see the futility of blowing each other up.. I say more power to them keep bickering ampongst yourselves and please leave rest of us alone

[hassan_113]

Sree_India- thank you. I'm sure my family are okay- both in mainland Pakistan and up in Kashmir too. Cochise- well, he is generalising in that article re: Bangldesh who we treated so badly. Rest- well, lets hope Kashmir gets a chance to decide- without guns to the head!

[hassan_113]

P.S. Taliban are daft- killing their own just cuz of USA. We need to tell USA to eff off

[Laaloo]

P.S. Taliban are daft- killing their own just cuz of USA. We need to tell USA to eff off

Who will provide you guys the money to survive then?

[King Tendulkar]

Do you believe there is India involvement behind lahore attacks on Sri Lanka players and/or other terror strikes in pakistan? Hassan please answer this post?

[EnterTheVoid]

Its irrelevant what he or anyone else thinks. Even if he does, he will tell you his opinion, which will immediately be renderred useless as judgements are made on facts not opinions KT, Hassan seems a little different from your average Pak fan, who lives in a world of denial and engages in a diatribe of excuses and rants against everyone else if Pakistan is to an extent at least, is itself to be blamed for the security mess it finds himself in He is the only Pakistani supporter, who imo at least, makes sense. From his posts, its clear he's upset and angry at the cowardly attacks on the Lankan cricketers, so its no point interrogating him on things he has no influence or control over.

[King Tendulkar]

I agree Hassan seems more enlightened then rest of his countryman. This is my final question which I want him to answer to see if he is as sensible as he seems! So I would appreciate his answer if he thinks India and RAW is causing and aiding terror strikes in Pakistan?

[The Outsider]

P.S. Taliban are daft- killing their own just cuz of USA. We need to tell USA to eff off

It is this very sick mentality of "their own" which ticks me off majorly. You keep harping about Kashmir in every other post, but have hardly mentioned the ethnic cleansing of the Kashmiri Pundits and you refer to Taliban as your "own". There is more to life than some fake Muslim brotherhood - heck your country systematically slaughtered and raped millions of your "own" in '71.

[veeru_rocks]

P.S. Taliban are daft- killing their own just cuz of USA. We need to tell USA to eff off

roti sotti kahana se khaoge mian ... beggars can't say alms giver f off unless begagr is ready to starve to death .. do u see the predicament

[veeru_rocks]

It is this very sick mentality of "their own" which ticks me off majorly. You keep harping about Kashmir in every other post' date=' but have hardly mentioned the ethnic cleansing of the Kashmiri Pundits and you refer to Taliban as your "own". There is more to life than some fake Muslim brotherhood - heck your country systematically [b']slaughtered and raped millions of your "own" in '71.

That never happened what are u smoking:--D

[cochise]

Disillusionment beginning to set in on the Pakistani intelligentsia, Game Over: http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=170495

Ramblings of a relic Thursday, April 02, 2009 Omar A Khan Maybe it's finally time to face the reality staring us from the wall Рthe experiment has failed and the Quaid's dream is a distant and rapidly receding memory. Everything that could have gone wrong in a nation's sixty-year history has indeed gone horribly wrong. Looking back over the years, there are few glories but a growing string of calamities. A few sporting glories here and there briefly managed to camouflage a system built on the most rotten of foundations: corruption. But it couldn't last. With no illusions to either being a political analyst, this writer can only offer what can be termed as an honest layman's point of view. The way it appears to these untrained eyes is that this nation has been ruled by a coterie of the privileged few since its inception in 1947. The poverty stricken populace is represented by a perpetually toothless parliament by people who are among the wealthiest in the land, having been born into families that own tracts of land that stretch as far as the eye can see. This is a country where a Seven Star monstrosity is being erected at the cost of billions for the rich and famous to congregate and sip their imported lattes while 90 percent of the people struggle to find clean water to make a cup of tea. There would be joy among the masses if the Taliban ripped down this obscene tower of wealth and symbol of social injustice. Maybe it is time to welcome the Taliban with open arms because in actuality it is a movement driven and fuelled by extreme depravation, injustice and poverty, rather than any religious scriptures. The Taliban would be far more representative of 90 percent of the masses than almost all of the people occupying seats in our National Assembly today or any other year of our miserable history. If the Taliban sweep to power -- as they are destined to, unless there is a dramatic, impossible reversal in the way wealth, resources and justice are shared in this country -- the only person to suffer would be you and I: "The Haves." We, seven percent of the population who read English-language newspapers and watch English-language TV stations and watch pirated Hollywood movies and have a "liberal" outlook that is western-leaning in orientation, would find our lifestyles stifled. How would the common man's lot be any worse than it already is under our successive civilian or military governments? The Taliban will one day come to power because those who "have" in this country have never given an inch to those who have nothing. On the one hand, we have in our Parliament individuals representing the poverty stricken masses who can hardly count how many acres of land they own. On the other, there are those who toil night and day to put together a square meal because they haven't an inch of land they can call their own. The feudal landowning classes are the ones who have by their 60 years of avarice invited the Taliban in, and hopefully when the Taliban do arrive, the first thing they do is redistribute land and wealth based on people's talent and hard work, rather than the fortune of being born a landowning parasite. The second set of parasites have been the military and the corrupt bureaucracy who time and again have tasted and been seduced by fruits of power and have slowly but surely attempted to turn the state into a perfect example of modern fascism. Then there is the denial syndrome and the conspiracy-theory syndrome, which leave us living in a delusional, detached world several steps removed from reality. Each time we stumble, it's always because of a "hidden hand," or those who want to "tarnish the image of Pakistan," but it can never, ever be of our own making. Anyway, let's keep things simple: the Taliban are not interested in wasting their time tarnishing anything, what they want is to rule of Pakistan, a goal they have stated in no uncertain terms. But the current favourite explanation for any of the countless atrocities we are surrounded by is that "the terrorists could not possibly have been Pakistanis, because no Muslim would kill his own people." History would beg to differ, as more Muslims have been slaughtered by fellow Muslims than by those nasty "infidels," and continue to be slaughtered. From what could be made out through our TV networks, none of the attackers of the Sri Lankan team were Japanese or Canadians, or Nepalese Hindus carrying Norwegian SIM cards, or indeed Martians. They were, each single one of them, men born into the Muslim faith. The sole terrorist captured at the slaughter at the Police Academy likewise uttered only three words as he was captured "I am Muslim," and even then we have experts and anchors claiming "no Muslim or Pakistani can be involved in terrorism." Which must mean that the Taliban are made up of non-Muslims pretending to be Muslims? Is that what the official line of denial is? Let's also face it: the Indians would be deranged if they, with their "hidden hand," are encouraging a Taliban revolution in Pakistan, because with 100-million-plus disaffected Muslims there, it would hardly take long for the flames of Taliban terror to start firing in India as well once they have dealt with Pakistan, seemingly some time fairly soon. The Americans, despite their best intentions, remain completely and woefully off-target in so many respects. First up, the entire neutral and Muslim world judges them to a large extent upon their actions in respect to the Middle East problem and the matter of Palestine. If only the Americans would even pretend to make the odd token meaningless vote once every ten years censuring Israel for its catalogue of brutalities against human rights and the Geneva Convention it would help pacify millions of inflamed passions. Alas, the Americans are never seen to be attempting even a fa̤ade of justice when it comes to the Palestinian issue, and each additional Israeli aggression inflames and arouses passions, adding thousands to the Taliban's recruitment drive. Then there is the small matter of their constantly supporting the wrong side. Alas, throughout history, the Americans have almost always ended up supporting Third World leaders who end up turning on their own peoples. Countless corrupt generals have been propped up by US governments in the short-sighted effort to secure their own goals, whether it was to contain communism or obtain markets, or both. The party line is the noble cause of spreading "freedom and democracy." But, certainly, nothing in this world comes without strings attached, and American-backed democracy usually comes with economic dependence and servitude contained in the small print. Why don't we see the American ambassador ever opening schools for the poor or opening hospitals for the masses of Pakistan? Why don't they even attempt to win hearts by occasionally siding with the people of Pakistan rather than with our blood-sucking leaders? Surely, they realise that the billions that are pumped into the country in the name of the "War on Terror" are just a way for a parasitic elite to feast on the spoils while the masses continue to rot. Most have already started shipping their enormous wealth abroad to safety in their plush apartments in New York, London, Paris, Barcelona and Dubai. The paintings, the carpets, the jewels, suits and gowns have already reached safely and it's a matter of time before the exodus of the elite that occurred in Iran in 1979 is re-enacted here in Pakistan. The question is: will it be weeks, months or a year or two? Unless there is an immediate turnaround in the manner in which wealth, opportunity and justice are distributed in this country, Pakistan is doomed and most certainly the Quaid's Pakistan will, alas! never come to pass. Sixty years of greed and corruption have finally cooked the goose and thus: Game over.

[punjabi_khota]

It is this very sick mentality of "their own" which ticks me off majorly. You keep harping about Kashmir in every other post' date=' but have hardly mentioned the ethnic cleansing of the Kashmiri Pundits and you refer to Taliban as your "own". There is more to life than some fake Muslim brotherhood - heck your country systematically slaughtered and raped millions of your "own" in '71.[/quote'] There is a clear hierarchy at work among muslims while calling their own, full of double standards and reeking of racism.. The Arabs don't call anyone their own. The Pakistanis call Arabs and Taliban their own. They don't call Sudanese or Indonesians their own, and so on.

[hassan_113]

Punter, The reason I call the 'Taliban' our 'own' is because we gave the Afghans a chance to settle in Pak during Cold war times and they are now biting the hand that has fed up. I also disagree with the ethnic cleansing of any population- and that includes the Kashmiri Pundits who were driven out by the insurgency into Indian-held Kashmir in 1989 onwards. I said already that Pan_walla is entitled to his opinion and you know what, if you want me to condemn it, I have. I see other Muslims as brothers and sisters and treat every human equally......I don't particularly like the fact that the Arabs don't show us the love that we give them and know that very well, which has made me somewhat bitter towards them. P.S. Pakistanis see other Muslims as brothers/sisters (inc. Indonesia etc) unlike the Arabs! As far as Kashmir is concerned, just hope there is a solution. I talk to my dad regularly about Pak/India/Kashmir and he said that Sharif had good relations with India 1999 and were getting somewhere on Kashmir and how would you feel if someone stabbed you in the back (e.g. Musharraf/Kargil) ?? He said that was not right and we are both obviously very proud Pakistanis!! :D You talk about Bangladesh- have you been asleep living in la-la-land when I have condemned how we treated E.Pakistan before it became independent?! Read my posts before making conclusions Mr Khan. When it comes to 'raping your own'... As far as Pakistan goes, we are in a dire state and call me an eternal optimist, but I'm sure we will come out of this stronger as we seem to always do. The question about Lahore attack and RAW involvement- it really doesn't matter who did it because the Pak authorities are useless and never find who is responsible for these things and the end result is the same- more embarassment for Pakistan.

[King Tendulkar]

The question about Lahore attack and RAW involvement- it really doesn't matter who did it because the Pak authorities are useless and never find who is responsible for these things and the end result is the same- more embarassment for Pakistan.

Why wont you caterogically say wether you think there is India/RAW involvement? What is your opinion?

[hassan_113]

Whatever has happened- the loonies have f-d up the country and that needs to be solved. I refuse to get into a ISI did this, RAW did that kind of debate for I think it's fruitless. I'd like to think that now I have settled here, that you would respect my wishes :D

[King Tendulkar]

Whatever has happened- the loonies have f-d up the country and that needs to be solved. I refuse to get into a ISI did this' date=' RAW did that kind of debate for I think it's fruitless. I'd like to think that now I have settled here, that you would respect my wishes :D[/quote'] I take it as read now that you are with the RAW and India are behind it balooney. Classic pak, attempts to be sensible but then indulges in usual loony stuff of india/raw and kashmir waffle. This line of thinking is in the DNA.

[kumble_rocks]

I take it as read now that you are with the RAW and India are behind it balooney. Classic pak' date=' attempts to be sensible but then indulges in usual loony stuff of india/raw and kashmir waffle. This line of thinking is in the DNA.[/quote'] Read PakiPassion and one can gauge the true feelings of a Paki. 90 percent of these guys indulge in victim hood mentality and have been brainwashed beyond hope . It's always other peoples fault with these guys. I am beginning to wonder if their is a sensible Paki around...

[hassan_113]

I take it as read now that you are with the RAW and India are behind it balooney. Classic pak' date=' attempts to be sensible but then indulges in usual loony stuff of india/raw and kashmir waffle. This line of thinking is in the DNA.[/quote'] Why you assume? How dare you generalise? For your information, I don't give two hoots whose behind it....cuz the end result is the same. Why don't you grow up? How would you like it if I took the extreme opinions of some right-wing Indians and said 'it's in the DNA?' My opinions have been nothing of the sort. Don't rip into my Kashmir beliefs because I for one have a great understanding, family from there and it's in my blood- or should I say DNA?! I for one have not shown myself to be an average Pakistani and you know it. If I've been in th wrong trying to cause trouble- then I deserve the condemnation. But I have not- and would like people to comdemn this damn right ridiculous behaviour from 'King-Tendulkar' because it is out of line.

[veeru_rocks]

I mean, really! We seem to have learnt no lessons at all from history. We were in denial about East Pakistan and see what happened there. We foolishly became the front-line state for America’s war against the Soviet Union and see what a mess we made of Afghanistan, and of our own country as a spin-off. We went along with the ‘bleeding of India’ nonsense in Kashmir and see where that particular exercise landed us. In 1991, when we began to ‘bleed’ India, our foreign exchange reserves were $300m and India’s were $5.8bn. In February 2008, India’s reserves were $292bn and ours in November 2008, nine months later, were $6.5bn. So who bled who? Wake up, sirs, have some shame and let this country off the hook! http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/better-wake-up-sirs%2C-and-fast