fineleg Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 .. I feel especially bad when they went on to beat people saying that they had broken a culture by celebrating Valentine's day .. WTF! Those morons are not the definition of South India. They are just plain morons, thats all. Pls. dont mix the two.
Kohum Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I would like to attempt a logical answer to this question. The roots can be traced to the whole aryan/dravidian divide' date=' even after the whole aryan invasion theory has been cast with a big question mark, this kind of thinking exists at a subconscious level among many of us. The north indians feel superior towards the south indians due to their fairer complexion and better physiques, in turn south indians turn over zealous and protect their identity and culture and do notwant any assimilation with the north indian culture.[/quote'] I don't get it - Learning to speak Hindi - doesn't mean giving up on Mother Tongue. It's another language just like English. Why you folks, feel the urge to learn English then? You don't feel as threatened as that by Hindi?
fineleg Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I don't get it - Learning to speak Hindi - doesn't mean giving up on Mother Tongue. It's another language just like English. Why you folks, feel the urge to learn English then? You don't feel as threatened as that by Hindi? So, why dont u learn Tamil? Anyway, for all these reasons they did not nominate any one single national language for India. Thats a good decision.
Lurker Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 So' date= why dont u learn Tamil? Anyway, for all these reasons they did not nominate any one single national language for India. Thats a good decision. Lets do some Maths here since most of us understand "stats" more than "values". %age of Indians speaking Hindi = 60% (being conservative) = 600 million or thereabouts (1 billion total population) %age of Indians speaking Tamil = 6% = 60 million %age of Indians speaking English = 5-10% = 50 - 100 million. So what makes sense? a) Putting efforts to teach Hindi to 400 million people? b) Putting effort to teach Tamil to 960 million people? c) Putting effort to teach English to 900-950 million people? xxx
flamy Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 As long as it is not used to look down upon people who cannot speak it, I love Hindi. I am a South Indian by name, but my Mom has to cook Nothern food for me to eat at home :dontknow: That's what I love about India, tho. Our spice. The masala of our differences. Personally, I do not feel "threatened" by Hindi. I love the language and am rediscovering my Hindi after a long, long time. Please, send me a list of the most unique gaalis.
Kohum Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 So' date= why dont u learn Tamil? Anyway, for all these reasons they did not nominate any one single national language for India. Thats a good decision. Today you say Tamil. Tomorrow, there might be some appam saying why don't you learn malyalam. Is there even a consensus on which is one common language of the south indians? As for me learning Tamil, I tried to learn Telugu as my lab-mates were telugu. But I found it quite hard to remember words [which were mainly gaali-galoch :giggle:] after two days or so .. :hehe:
flamy Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Today you say Tamil. Tomorrow, there might be some appam saying why don't you learn malyalam. Is there even a consensus on which is one common language of the south indians? As for me learning Tamil, I tried to learn Telugu as my lab-mates were telugu. But I found it quite hard to remember words [which were mainly gaali-galoch :giggle:] after two days or so .. :hehe: I get your point, but people seem to forget that all of south India is not the same. And all you need to know in telugu is "seema regi pandu".
ViruRulez Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 As long as it is not used to look down upon people who cannot speak it, I love Hindi. I am a South Indian by name, but my Mom has to cook Nothern food for me to eat at home :dontknow: That's what I love about India, tho. Our spice. The masala of our differences. Personally, I do not feel "threatened" by Hindi. I love the language and am rediscovering my Hindi after a long, long time. Please, send me a list of the most unique gaalis. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
Brainfade Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Common language, whether you call it National or otherwise, leads to its own benefits. As an IT folk I can tell you Indian software guys would love to take a project in US/UK/Australia but totally balk at taking a French, Japanese, German assignment. The key reason of course is language. Now expand that argument all over a country and see the benefits. From a personal experience, once again, many of the South Indians that ended up at my REC came simply because they did not have a better choice. The ones with better rank took Trichi and Calicut etc. Purely from intellactual perspective every institute should attract the best of talents and not worse obviously. And I have not even brought up the whole communication issue yet. All good points. But, there are scores of South Indians in Mumbai, New Delhi, Kolkata etc. And there are scores of Marwaris and Gujaratis in Chennai. In other words, people with courage and confidence that they can learn the language (or are really motivated to find a job) will move to where there is opportunity. They eventually assimilate. In other words, if opportunities in US/UK/Aus/NZ dwindle, and open up in Japan/France/Germany, people will move, live, learn and assimilate. Your REC example is somewhat flawed. The Southies with better ranks chose Tiruchi/Kozhikode. The Northies with better ranks chose Jalandhar/Silchar. That evens things out as far as "intellectual distribution," doesn't it? Overall, it is a good idea (not a great idea, but a decent one) - in theory. But, as diverse as our nation is, it is virtually impossible to enforce it without creating resentment. One just has to learn to embrace this diversity, and if one has the opportunity and drive to settle into a different culture, just make it a point to a respect the local culture and learn the language. In my opinion, the main benefit of a "national" language is a sense of unity, an intangible pride that comes with a common thread with which we can be weaved together. If all our people can agree that it is Hindi that brings this commonality, that would be great.
Brainfade Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Is there even a consensus on which is one common language of the south indians? There is not. Just like there is not a common language for "East" Indians (Bangla/Assamese/Odissi ...) or "West" Indians (Marathi/Gujarati) or even "North" Indians (Punjabi/Hindi). But then, these geographical classifications are artificial groupings created for convenience, and have no anthropological basis.
Lurker Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 All good points. But' date=' there are scores of South Indians in Mumbai, New Delhi, Kolkata etc. And there are scores of Marwaris and Gujaratis in Chennai. In other words, people with courage and confidence that they can learn the language (or are really motivated to find a job) will move to where there is opportunity. They eventually assimilate. [b']In other words, if opportunities in US/UK/Aus/NZ dwindle, and open up in Japan/France/Germany, people will move, live, learn and assimilate. The keywords are move-live-learn-assimilate. That was only part of what I was hinting at. Moving around is not only for permanent residency. It is also, for example, tourism. If people from my state, for example, will make a list of 20 places in India to visit there is a good chance that many areas of South will come right down the bottom. Similarly it would be shocking if Tamilians made a beeline to see the history of Bihar/UP area (not to mention the law and order situation). The point is language can, and does, create a bonding. It makes you comfortable. I had mentioned in a seperate thread how none of my IT friends took a posting in Chennai, all because of language issues. This is not a good news for Tamil Nadu, and India, at all. If anything Chennai is often counted as one of the best Indian cities. Still if you have a language question mark attached to it how does it help?? Your REC example is somewhat flawed. The Southies with better ranks chose Tiruchi/Kozhikode. The Northies with better ranks chose Jalandhar/Silchar. That evens things out as far as "intellectual distribution," doesn't it? Not really. It basically polarizes people into groups. You will have REC Allahabad filled with smart Northies and Trichi filled with smart Southies. Is that how we want to see out best Institutions?? Surely we can all agree that IITs are world class because they attract the best brains. And it does not matter if you are head over heels with English or not, if you get IIT Delhi Computers you will choose it ahead of IIT Chennai Eletrical say. However this does not work when it comes to the 2nd tier of college/universities. Not getting too technical here but... In my opinion, the main benefit of a "national" language is a sense of unity, an intangible pride that comes with a common thread with which we can be weaved together. If all our people can agree that it is Hindi that brings this commonality, that would be great. I do agree to that. The issue of National language should not be forced. This needs a broad discussions and people from both sides should be willing to listen. I personally have mentioned it earlier that I all for a Marathi or a Punjabi to be National language. In the end logistics works in Hindi's favour but so long as we use any Indian language I am cool. xxx
Desi Cartman Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 India's ecomomy has taken off only recently , only in the last decade or so I have started hearing about north Indians moving to south for better jobs ... so all this will change in a couple of decades , people may not become master of English or Hindi but they will have to learn and adjust... I can already see it happening. I have never been to any south Indian city but I remember hearing people complain about difficulties in talking to locals in Bangalore (im talking about 15 years ago) and now half of my friends live in South India and they never complain about these things ...
kumble_rocks Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Religion also offers common bonding . Can we make Hinduism our national religion ??? :winky:
suraj Posted May 9, 2009 Posted May 9, 2009 India's ecomomy has taken off only recently ' date=' only in the last decade or so I have started hearing about north Indians moving to south for better jobs ... so all this will change in a couple of decades , people may not become master of English or Hindi but they will have to learn and adjust... I can already see it happening. I have never been to any south Indian city but I remember hearing people complain about difficulties in [b']talking to locals in Bangalore (im talking about 15 years ago) and now half of my friends live in South India and they never complain about these things ... Bangalore was never the problem, it is Madras ( & the rest of Tamil Nadu) that was & still remains the issue
Desi Cartman Posted May 9, 2009 Posted May 9, 2009 Bangalore was never the problem' date=' it is Madras ( & the rest of Tamil Nadu) that was & still remains the issue[/quote'] I have couple of cousins living in Chennai (1 is a student and 1 is working as a chef). They like it and have never complained about anything. Both of them were born and grew up in delhi and now one them is supporting :csk: and the other one doesmt like cricket :dontknow:
Don Sharma Posted May 9, 2009 Posted May 9, 2009 I have couple of cousins living in Chennai (1 is a student and 1 is working as a chef). They like it and have never complained about anything. Both of them were born and grew up in delhi and now one them is supporting :csk: and the other one doesmt like cricket :dontknow: I hate Chennai but rest of TN is good.:isalute:
Macj Posted May 9, 2009 Posted May 9, 2009 I demand that Sourashtra be given official status as well as Thanjavur Marathi.
punjabi_khota Posted May 9, 2009 Posted May 9, 2009 I have couple of cousins living in Chennai (1 is a student and 1 is working as a chef). They like it and have never complained about anything. Both of them were born and grew up in delhi and now one them is supporting :csk: and the other one doesmt like cricket :dontknow: True. I think Chennai has changed and become WAY more hospitable for non-Tamils over the last decade or so. My uncle got posted in Chennai in 80s and since he was a non-vegetarian, drinking "northie", he had hard time finding a house on rent because the locals wouldn't trust him. Then in 2006, he visited Chennai with me, we stayed there for about 4 months and we found out to our pleasant surprise that it not like that anymore. Most people were very polite, food was awesome (dosa stuff AND biryani stuff, both). A mix of hindi and english can get MOST if not all jobs done. :two_thumbs_up:
nikred Posted May 10, 2009 Posted May 10, 2009 True. I think Chennai has changed and become WAY more hospitable for non-Tamils over the last decade or so. My uncle got posted in Chennai in 80s and since he was a non-vegetarian, drinking "northie", he had hard time finding a house on rent because the locals wouldn't trust him. Then in 2006, he visited Chennai with me, we stayed there for about 4 months and we found out to our pleasant surprise that it not like that anymore. Most people were very polite, food was awesome (dosa stuff AND biryani stuff, both). A mix of hindi and english can get MOST if not all jobs done. :two_thumbs_up: Well when i went to Chennai in 2006 i struggled to communicate with most of the people. Especially the autowallahs who gave me dirty looks when i tried to talk in hindi and had great difficulty when i tried to talk in english and if they knew telugu there telugu was sounding as good as tamil to me.:dontknow:
flamy Posted May 10, 2009 Posted May 10, 2009 Well when i went to Chennai in 2006 i struggled to communicate with most of the people. Especially the autowallahs who gave me dirty looks when i tried to talk in hindi and had great difficulty when i tried to talk in english and if they knew telugu there telugu was sounding as good as tamil to me.:dontknow: o yes. I had a tough time when I went to get my visa.
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