The Outsider Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 And just to bring forth another point - the kind of gushing that Dhoni gets around here, if Warne was an Indian he would have got 10 times that because Warne is 10 times a captain than Dhoni(whom I consider a distant second in the League) and much more than anyone else in the League. This is a retired guy who led the cheapest franchise to victory last year from the tag of the underdogs and is well on his way to put is team in the Semi Final in the second edition with average domestic cricketers as the teams' backbone and on pitches where these guys were supposed to unravel as was evidenced in the betting odds around the world and the pick for the semi finals on ICF. PS : Sorry Hayden you're no match for Warne.
King Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 And just to bring forth another point - the kind of gushing that Dhoni gets around here, if Warne was an Indian he would have got 10 times that because Warne is 10 times a captain than Dhoni(whom I consider a distant second in the League) and much more than anyone else in the League. This is a retired guy who led the cheapest franchise to victory last year from the tag of the underdogs and is well on his way to put is team in the Semi Final in the second edition with average domestic cricketers as the teams' backbone and on pitches where these guys were supposed to unravel as was evidenced in the betting odds around the world and the pick for the semi finals on ICF. PS : Sorry Hayden you're no match for Warne. Geez... what's with you blokes just like Tendulkar vs Rahul Dravid debate here that goes around always you are creating Hayden vs Warne debate :haha: Let that go and appreciate Hayden. Firstly Hayden isn't even captaining so there's no point comparing him with Warne. Secondly Hayden is a batsman so it will be comparing oranges with watermelon :winky: Bottom line he's doing a great job as an opener for CSK. I think most of the wins should be attributed to the way Hayden has batted at the top for CSK. He's apparently the leading run scorer too by a mile. On another note, imagine if Tendulkar or Rahul Dravid had scored as many as Hayden did and in that fashion??? The response would be unimaginable :--D
graphic23 Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Geez... what's with you blokes just like Tendulkar vs Rahul Dravid debate here that goes around always you are creating Hayden vs Warne debate :haha: Let that go and appreciate Hayden. Firstly Hayden isn't even captaining so there's no point comparing him with Warne. Secondly Hayden is a batsman so it will be comparing oranges with watermelon :winky: Bottom line he's doing a great job as an opener for CSK. I think most of the wins should be attributed to the way Hayden has batted at the top for CSK. He's apparently the leading run scorer too by a mile. On another note, imagine if Tendulkar or Rahul Dravid had scored as many as Hayden did and in that fashion??? The response would be unimaginable :--D Tendulkar has been the top scorer of 2 WC tournaments, and Rahul one world cup. I highly doubt it would create the same type of furore that the 1996, 1999, and 2003 World Cups created.
The Outsider Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Geez... what's with you blokes just like Tendulkar vs Rahul Dravid debate here that goes around always you are creating Hayden vs Warne debate :haha: Let that go and appreciate Hayden. Firstly Hayden isn't even captaining so there's no point comparing him with Warne. Secondly Hayden is a batsman so it will be comparing oranges with watermelon :winky: Bottom line he's doing a great job as an opener for CSK. I think most of the wins should be attributed to the way Hayden has batted at the top for CSK. He's apparently the leading run scorer too by a mile. On another note, imagine if Tendulkar or Rahul Dravid had scored as many as Hayden did and in that fashion??? The response would be unimaginable :--D I am not trying to instigate a Hayden vs. Warne debate, merely stating my opinion that Hayden's biffing tactics won't go a long way against a thinking and on the feet captain like Warne. And as for Dravid or Tendulkar top scoring, they've already been there and done that in 3 out of the last 4 world cups.
King Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 Tendulkar has been the top scorer of 2 WC tournaments' date=' and Rahul one world cup. I highly doubt it would create the same type of furore that the 1996, 1999, and 2003 World Cups created.[/quote'] But these forums didn't exist then. I'm not belittling our stalwarts but just suggesting the kind of reaction we may have had on our forums if one of the two scored like Hayden in this tourney. It would have been mayhem and most threads would have centered around who is a better batsman :hysterical: In the bargain one of Tendulkar's or Dravid's reputation would have been butchered on this forums.
King Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 I am not trying to instigate a Hayden vs. Warne debate, merely stating my opinion that Hayden's biffing tactics won't go a long way against a thinking and on the feet captain like Warne. And as for Dravid or Tendulkar top scoring, they've already been there and done that in 3 out of the last 4 world cups. Hayden has only failed once though. The next time CSK comes up against RR he could make it up.
The Outsider Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Hayden has only failed once though. The next time CSK comes up against RR he could make it up. Let's see - I am pretty sure Warne will get Hayden out below 20.
DomainK Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Let's see - I am pretty sure Warne will get Hayden out below 20. Lets wait and watch. When are they playing next? Can we have a bet on this? "Will Hayden score more than 20 against RR?"
graphic23 Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 But these forums didn't exist then. I'm not belittling our stalwarts but just suggesting the kind of reaction we may have had on our forums if one of the two scored like Hayden in this tourney. It would have been mayhem and most threads would have centered around who is a better batsman :hysterical: In the bargain one of Tendulkar's or Dravid's reputation would have been butchered on this forums. I wouldn't indulge in such an exercise. Thats like choosing one arm over the other (I have a small bias towards my right arm. :winky: )
The Outsider Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Lets wait and watch. When are they playing next? Can we have a bet on this? "Will Hayden score more than 20 against RR?" Saturday. Given that he has got out for less than 20 in 0 out of 7 innings not played against RR, I'll give you 1:5 odds. You bet $10 and take home $12 if Hayden scores more than 20. Maximum payable kitty = $2.4 million.
Zap_Brannigan Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 But if you are so sure that Warne would out think Hayden, why are the odds so low? Considering that hayden failed 1 out of 1 times he played against RR this year, shouldnt the odds be worse for hayden?
The Outsider Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 But if you are so sure that Warne would out think Hayden' date=' why are the odds so low? Considering that hayden failed 1 out of 1 times he played against RR this year, shouldnt the odds be worse for hayden?[/quote'] They are if you know your Math - for 0 out of 7, I am offering 1:5.......
Zap_Brannigan Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 But warne didnt captain the 7 times hayden passed 20. This bet is specifically Warne Vs Hayden, is it not? Then the count stands 1/1 for less than 20.
The Outsider Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Your contention is that Warne's captaincy does not or will not make a difference on Hayden's run scoring, my contention is that it will - I've chosen the middle path. Take it or leave it - a couple of DLFers, a biff down to mid on, and a couple of mistimed swipes is all it takes to make 20 runs in a T20.
Zap_Brannigan Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 So basically, u gave Warne just a tad bit better odds of getting rid of hayden than all the other captains in the tournament. I know 20 is not much in t20 but even the openers are at immense pressure to perform in the 1st 6 overs (there has been nearly 10 first ball wickets in this trny). Frankly, i would give that odds to hayden even against KKR. So i dont really understand wht the warne factor is.
The Outsider Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 So basically' date=' u gave Warne just a tad bit better odds of getting rid of hayden than all the other captains in the tournament. I know 20 is not much in t20 but even the openers are at immense pressure to perform in the 1st 6 overs (there has been nearly 10 first ball wickets in this trny). Frankly, i would give that odds to hayden even against KKR. So i dont really understand wht the warne factor is.[/quote'] Tad better - for 1:8(including the innings against Warne) I am offering 1:5 - Wall Street guys would make a killing on this if they were confident their product will sell at least initially!!! Ok, when CSK play KKR next and you offer them as you've said sign me up for a million bucks. As for these odds, they stay - take it or leave it. Let's see how much confidence people have on biffer Hayden versus the thinking Warne despite the sublime form Hayden is in.
flamy Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 I wouldn't indulge in such an exercise. Thats like choosing one arm over the other (I have a small bias towards my right arm. :winky: ) But they service... :joyman:... Dhoni
Zap_Brannigan Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Hayden has score 50 or above in only 3 innings and has failed for 5 innings. That means warne will do worse than the others. 1:5 might be much better than 1:8 but like i said hayden scored just 1 against warne last time. Inzi averages close to 50 but in Aus he is horrible. Would anyone really bet on low odds that Inzi will average 45 in Aus? I've already lost all my moniesssss betting against CSK, so i cant really bet. But even if i did, i wouldnt take your offer of Warne Vs ha
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