Laxman made Vice Captain

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Tendulkar has performed well on SA pitches in the past so there is more chance that he'll succeed there than someone who averages 30 there.

Aha, so now you go by experience & history, rather than recent figures ?

[The Outsider]

Re: Laxman made Vice Captain Look at the entire package: 1. Recent form 2. Past success in similar conditions 3. Suitability of batting technique to the conditions Ganguly has nothing going for him except politics. Tendulkar atleast has the last 2 points. And if Tendulkar fails yet again here, I wouldn't be totally averse to dropping him.

[Dhondy]

Re: Laxman made Vice Captain No, I agree, SRT is like a holy cow, who cannot be sacrificed. Does anybody seriously believe that he will cross 50 in a single innings in this series? I wouldn't be surprised if Ganguly outscores him. And that's how far I think SRT has declined. You can compensate for a slowing down of reflexes through sheer bloodymindedness....look at Justin Langer, but once your self belief is gone, you are history. Let alone his biggest critics, SRT himself doesn't believe he can cut it with the big boys any longer. His shot against Pollock yesteday, and in the 3rd ODI, epitomized all that's wrong with him. His mind is clouded with anxiety about his own inadequacies, and he doesn't quite know whether he is coming or going.

[beetle]

Re: Laxman made Vice Captain a holy cow who might end up as our white elephant......i hope it is not true...

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Re: Laxman made Vice Captain Shwetabh, i'll just conclude by saying this: Anytime, we need to pick a MO batter & we are debating between Ganguly & Kaif, you know we are in deep shyte. At this point, there is not a single batsman, who gives me any sort of hope in these conditions. Kaif's recent exploits in ODIs (WI test series was few months ago), suggest he is not in great form. And its not like Kaif has set the world on fire, in the past, to merit his selection beyond debate. Raina, Mongia, Kaif all looked clueless against the SA quickies so far. I think Ganguly will do no/as worse than Kaif, in this test series. If dada fails, we can shut a lot of mouths and throw him out for good.

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No, I agree, SRT is like a holy cow, who cannot be sacrificed. Does anybody seriously believe that he will cross 50 in a single innings in this series? I wouldn't be surprised if Ganguly outscores him. And that's how far I think SRT has declined. You can compensate for a slowing down of reflexes through sheer bloodymindedness....look at Justin Langer, but once your self belief is gone, you are history. Let alone his biggest critics, SRT himself doesn't believe he can cut it with the big boys any longer. His shot against Pollock yesteday, and in the 3rd ODI, epitomized all that's wrong with him. His mind is clouded with anxiety about his own inadequacies, and he doesn't quite know whether he is coming or going.

To me, SRT MUST score a ton & a 50 this test series. If he fails, I wouldnt rank him amongst the all time greats anymore. U simply cannot sit on your past all the time. Perform or retire. One rule for all, whether u are Ganguly or Tendulkar

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a holy cow who might end up as our white elephant......i hope it is not true...

Rads, where do u get ur images for Dravid. U seem to have quite a collection

[beetle]

Re: Laxman made Vice Captain here....is my goldmine...just the right size too... :hic: http://www.bollywoodsargam.com/bollywood_celebrity_photo_gallery.php?photoalbum=1521547-6--latest-Rahul_Dravid_bollywood_gallery_photo.html

[Gambit]

Re: Laxman made Vice Captain Sachin made 92,52,52,41,16,109 before his form dipped.

[Sooda]

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No, I agree, SRT is like a holy cow, who cannot be sacrificed. Does anybody seriously believe that he will cross 50 in a single innings in this series? I wouldn't be surprised if Ganguly outscores him. And that's how far I think SRT has declined. You can compensate for a slowing down of reflexes through sheer bloodymindedness....look at Justin Langer, but once your self belief is gone, you are history. Let alone his biggest critics, SRT himself doesn't believe he can cut it with the big boys any longer. His shot against Pollock yesteday, and in the 3rd ODI, epitomized all that's wrong with him. His mind is clouded with anxiety about his own inadequacies, and he doesn't quite know whether he is coming or going.

well...in tests where there is less pressure to score quickly and more freedom to leave deliveries alone he SHOULD fare batter. And the same problem afflicting SRT afflicts Gangs- AGE. I cannot see Ganguly doing well at all in SA. He will be undone by the bounce and pace. Ntini and Pollock- the guy wont stand a chance.

If he fails, I wouldnt rank him amongst the all time greats anymore.

Bumps thats insane...so youre judging him on ONE series after ALL hes done for India. Not fair wouldnt you say. Hes allowed to decline with age. Everybody is.

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Bumps thats insane...so youre judging him on ONE series after ALL hes done for India. Not fair wouldnt you say. Hes allowed to decline with age. Everybody is.

Sooda, it aint insane. If he fails this series, his avg vs SA will dip to low 30s. His avg vs Pak is 39. Thats two of the three best bowling attacks of his time. With these stats, its difficult to rank him ahead of his peers -- Dravid, Punter, Lara & arguably, Steve Waugh. if he struggles to make it to the top 5 among his peers, in all time list, he'd only fall further. OTOH, if u take all the numbers out & argue subjectively, then it just becomes an opinion.

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Re: Laxman made Vice Captain bumper, that is hilarious to see the least. SRT will no longer be an all time great just because of a poor series against RSA? LOL. This is a guy who has averaged the following in RSA against them: '92 - 34 as a 19 year old with a 100 to boot. '96 - 40 with a fantastic 169. '01 - 64 with an audacious 155. BTW Waugh averaged 34 against Pak and 38 against NZ. Not an ATG?

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Re: Laxman made Vice Captain ATG is a loose term. It needs a proper definition. If ATG means top 10 batters of all time, am afraid, then SR Waugh wont cut it. Say all u want, SRT is in a free fall right now. The only way to stop it, is by scoring runs. This is not a one series failure. He's been a no show (by his lofty starndards) for 3 years now, in tests. I dont believe this is a loss of form, this is a HUGE DIP in his career graph. To me ATG (all time top 10), must average well ahead of their peers against the best bowling attacks of their times. If his average dips into the 30s against the two best attacks of his times, he will become comparable to the Inzis of this world (who averages 31 vs Aus & 33 vs SA). Fair point ? PS: The last MoM award SRT won as a batsman was vs Aus, in 2003/04 (Sydney test) for his 241.

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Re: Laxman made Vice Captain Interesting debate. Here is a list from Chula's ratings. [code:839b80db8c] Rank Player Team Career Rating Mat Inns NO Runs Ave 300 200 100 50 1 Don Bradman AUS 1928-48 1529 52 80 10 6996 99.94 2 12 29 13 2 Brian Lara WI 1990- 872 123 218 6 11211 52.88 2 8 31 46 3 Sachin Tendulkar IND 1989- 857 132 211 22 10469 55.39 0 4 35 41 4 Wally Hammond ENG 1927-47 827 85 140 16 7249 58.46 1 7 22 24 5 Ricky Ponting AUS 1995- 812 101 168 23 8328 57.43 0 4 28 33 6 Sunil Gavaskar IND 1971-87 805 125 214 16 10122 51.12 0 4 34 45 7 Garry Sobers WI 1954-74 804 93 160 21 8032 57.78 1 2 26 30 8 Rahul Dravid IND 1996- 791 100 169 21 8553 57.79 0 5 22 42 9 Matthew Hayden AUS 1994- 771 80 143 12 7114 54.31 1 2 25 25 10 Steve Waugh AUS 1985-04 763 168 260 46 10927 51.06 0 1 32 50 11 Len Hutton ENG 1937-55 756 79 138 15 6971 56.67 1 4 19 33 12 Javed Miandad PAK 1976-93 750 124 189 21 8832 52.57 0 6 23 43 13 Ken Barrington ENG 1955-68 749 82 131 15 6806 58.67 0 1 20 35 14 Allan Border AUS 1978-94 747 156 265 44 11174 50.56 0 2 27 63 15 Everton Weekes WI 1948-58 745 48 81 5 4455 58.62 0 2 15 19 16 Greg Chappell AUS 1970-84 740 87 151 19 7110 53.86 0 4 24 31 17 Herbert Sutcliffe ENG 1924-35 735 54 84 9 4555 60.73 0 0 16 23 18 Inzamam-ul-Haq PAK 1992- 731 107 177 19 8172 51.72 1 2 25 42 19 Jacques Kallis SA 1995- 725 97 163 28 7655 56.70 0 0 23 38 20 Viv Richards WI 1971-91 723 121 182 12 8540 50.24 0 3 24 45 21 Jack Hobbs ENG 1908-30 703 61 102 7 5410 56.95 0 1 15 28 22 Clyde Walcott WI 1948-60 696 44 74 7 3798 56.69 0 1 15 14 23 George Headley WI 1930-54 673 22 40 4 2190 60.83 0 2 10 5 24 Virender Sehwag IND 2001- 672 45 74 3 3709 52.24 1 3 11 11 25 Neil Harvey AUS 1948-63 666 79 137 10 6149 48.42 0 2 21 24 [/code:1:839b80db8c] Would be interesting to know, how the top 25 here fared against the best bowling attacks of their times. Volunteers anyone ?

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Re: Laxman made Vice Captain "Too often in the recent past, Laxman has batted like a man with his place on the line. Some of his doubts are perhaps self-inflicted. But to get the best out of him, he must be made to feel wanted and secure" -Sambit Bal

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Look at the entire package: 1. Recent form 2. Past success in similar conditions 3. Suitability of batting technique to the conditions Ganguly has nothing going for him except politics. Tendulkar atleast has the last 2 points. And if Tendulkar fails yet again here, I wouldn't be totally averse to dropping him.

go to download section u will find one dada inning in south africa..

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"Too often in the recent past, Laxman has batted like a man with his place on the line. Some of his doubts are perhaps self-inflicted. But to get the best out of him, he must be made to feel wanted and secure" -Sambit Bal

He is not a newbie these doubts should goad him to do better not sulk..