seedhi Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Imposing a fatwa on Vande Mataram was not the only resolution adopted by the Jamiat-e-ulema Hind in the its meeting which the Home minister Chidambaram attended. It also included the following: ..people should be urged to avoid watching cinema, television and other moral killing things. Solution being propagated to prevent Aids is itself the root cause of sexual anarchy. In this connection, application of Islamic teaching is the best solution. and regarding women: ..33% reservation for women is uncalled for. If this bill is passed in its present form, it will further diminish the presence of minorities, especially Muslims, and Dalits. It will benefit only the affluent, will augment inequalities and fail to serve its purpose. Such a desperate attempt to bring women into the mainstream will create various other social problems issues including their security. Other parts include condemnation of Israel and USA and criticism of the Delhi High Court judgment decriminalizing homosexuality. Full text http://www.jamiatulama.org/resolution/Resolutions_english.pdf The question is whether the Home Minister should have given legitimacy by his presence to what seems in part to be a rather retrograde agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 :wall: @ Chidambaram attending this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap_Brannigan Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 WTF is this crap??This is just the beginning. Soon they would want to put a fatwa on going out of the house. Just read that Roland emmirich (Independence day, Day after tomorrow), destroyed Vatican city and the Jesus statue in Brazil, wanted to but decided not to destroy the kaba due to fear on being issued a fatwa on his life. The entire world is sort of living in fear. End this crap and dont listen to religious lunatics be it Islam, Hindu or Scientology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hahaa now it is beginning to sound really ridiculous. We shouldn't be laughing at Pakeezas if our own house is in such mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 They also have passed a fatwa banning all forms of smiling or laughter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 BTW if u dont know many churches also believe that TV is haram .. Movies are evil etc etc & yes during sunday mass they do tell people to stay away from these things but it doesnt happen in every church and it does not mean watching TV is illegal. So it doesnt mean shyt. if i dont wanna watch TV cuz Imam saab said so then its my choice .. & as an Imaam I'll say whatever I think is right to say. So whats the big deal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 why don't these people issuing or agreeing to this... like move to afghanistan or pakistan and live in stone age...wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 why don't these people issuing or agreeing to this... like move to afghanistan or pakistan and live in stone age...wtf? Its an opinion ! some people think its haram to eat pork and some think its paap to eat beef. It doesnt mean anything unless others are forced into following it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Its an opinion ! some people think its haram to eat pork and some think its paap to eat beef. It doesnt mean anything unless others are forced into following it. I agree with Desi, its their religion they have a right to say what ever they want as long as its neither directly nor indirectly affecting me. Frankly, I think this news has been blown out of proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 BTW if u dont know many churches also believe that TV is haram .. Movies are evil etc etc & yes during sunday mass they do tell people to stay away from these things but it doesnt happen in every church and it does not mean watching TV is illegal. So it doesnt mean shyt. if i dont wanna watch TV cuz Imam saab said so then its my choice .. & as an Imaam I'll say whatever I think is right to say. So whats the big deal ?Everyone can have an opinion. But the Home Minister, I think, has no business attending such a meeting and lending credibility to the lunatic resolutions that were passed. In fact, he has not yet explicitly condemned these resolutions that were adopted. He claims he was not aware, which is rather unbelievable since the text of the resolutions were on the Jamiat's website for everyone to see, given that he is the HM he should have known about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Everyone can have an opinion. But the Home Minister, I think, has no business attending such a meeting and lending credibility to the lunatic resolutions that were passed. In fact, he has not yet explicitly condemned these resolutions that were adopted. He claims he was not aware, which is rather unbelievable since the text of the resolutions were on the Jamiat's website for everyone to see, given that he is the HM he should have known about it. not surprising at all...they'll lick their feet for votes if needed.... the fact that the Parliament bomber & 26/11 terrorist is still alive 'coz killing them would upset 'certain' community in India...according to the govt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybervickey Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 their religion , their problem , as long as nobody is forced upon to practice these problems i dont see any problem with it .. i hope all the ones bashing the jamiat also take a stand and bash mr bal thakurey for his comments about this .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahulrulezz Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 not surprising at all...they'll lick their feet for votes if needed.... the fact that the Parliament bomber & 26/11 terrorist is still alive 'coz killing them would upset 'certain' community in India...according to the govt Stop puking this bakwas. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Everyone can have an opinion. But the Home Minister, I think, has no business attending such a meeting and lending credibility to the lunatic resolutions that were passed. In fact, he has not yet explicitly condemned these resolutions that were adopted. He claims he was not aware, which is rather unbelievable since the text of the resolutions were on the Jamiat's website for everyone to see, given that he is the HM he should have known about it. I dont see many people complain when pope visits the US or when the christian heads say the same thing? from what I know Pope/catholic church has pretty similar views on these topics . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 I dont see many people complain when pope visits the US or when the christian heads say the same thing? from what I know Pope/catholic church has pretty similar views on these topics .Does the Home Minister of India attend meetings where the Pope passes a resolution against Vande Mataram, AIDS control and women's empowerment? It is one thing to meet with the Pope and another to be party to an event which explicitly propagates such rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Does the Home Minister of India attend meetings where the Pope passes a resolution against Vande Mataram, AIDS control and women's empowerment? It is one thing to meet with the Pope and another to be party to an event which explicitly propagates such rhetoric. That I think he honestly messed up. He/ his office should have read the agenda. To me all other issues dont mean much but I think below one seems interesting (17) Resolution against American aggression in Afghanistan This general session of Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind strongly condemns the terror launched by the United States of America and other powers in Afghanistan in the name of crushing ‘terrorism’ Their presence in Afghanistan is against the international laws. Their unlawful presence and action there has greatly disturbed the sovereignty of countries like Iran and Pakistan. Their desire to have a control on the natural wealth and resources has totally destroyed the economy and education of the country and the future of the people is in darkness. As an organization they can pass whatever resolution they want but the govt / office of HM should have been careful but they werent else I dont think he would have attended this. BTW my point was that its pretty common for religious organizations to call for stupid resolutions & it happens in every religion. Its also pretty common for leaders of a country to meet leaders of these religious organizations but leaders usually maintain a distance and dont attend these meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr123 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Does the Home Minister of India attend meetings where the Pope passes a resolution against Vande Mataram, AIDS control and women's empowerment? It is one thing to meet with the Pope and another to be party to an event which explicitly propagates such rhetoric. Sikh institutions and Vande Mataram Shiromani Gurudwara Parbandhak Committee or SGPC, the paramount representative body in the Sikh Panth, requested the Sikhs to not sing "Vande Mataram" in the schools and institutions on its centenary on Sept 7, 2006. SGPC head, Avtar Singh Makkar, expressed concern that "imposing a song that reflected just one religion was bound to hurt the sentiments of the Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and other religious minorities. The DSGMC (Delhi Sikh Gurudwara Management Committee) has called singing of "Vande Mataram" against Sikh tenents as the Sikhs sought "sarbat da bhala" (universal welfare) and did not believe in "devi and devta". DSGMC head H. S. Sarna also added that the song "Vande Mataram" had been rejected long by well known freedom fighter Sikhs like Baba Kharak Singh and Master Tara Singh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vande_Mataram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Sikh institutions and Vande Mataram Shiromani Gurudwara Parbandhak Committee or SGPC, the paramount representative body in the Sikh Panth, requested the Sikhs to not sing "Vande Mataram" in the schools and institutions on its centenary on Sept 7, 2006. SGPC head, Avtar Singh Makkar, expressed concern that "imposing a song that reflected just one religion was bound to hurt the sentiments of the Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and other religious minorities. The DSGMC (Delhi Sikh Gurudwara Management Committee) has called singing of "Vande Mataram" against Sikh tenents as the Sikhs sought "sarbat da bhala" (universal welfare) and did not believe in "devi and devta". DSGMC head H. S. Sarna also added that the song "Vande Mataram" had been rejected long by well known freedom fighter Sikhs like Baba Kharak Singh and Master Tara Singh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vande_Mataram :WTF: SGPC seems to express it just to not be left out. Did they even go through the revised version before protesting. :dontknow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomainK Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 BTW if u dont know many churches also believe that TV is haram .. Movies are evil etc etc & yes during sunday mass they do tell people to stay away from these things but it doesnt happen in every church and it does not mean watching TV is illegal. So it doesnt mean shyt. if i dont wanna watch TV cuz Imam saab said so then its my choice .. & as an Imaam I'll say whatever I think is right to say. So whats the big deal ? I agree. I even know Hindu Pundits who consider watching movies a great sin. They can advise whatever they want as long it is not immoral or anti-social and as long as they are not literally forcing it on people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 Sikh institutions and Vande Mataram Shiromani Gurudwara Parbandhak Committee or SGPC, the paramount representative body in the Sikh Panth, requested the Sikhs to not sing "Vande Mataram" in the schools and institutions on its centenary on Sept 7, 2006. SGPC head, Avtar Singh Makkar, expressed concern that "imposing a song that reflected just one religion was bound to hurt the sentiments of the Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and other religious minorities. The DSGMC (Delhi Sikh Gurudwara Management Committee) has called singing of "Vande Mataram" against Sikh tenents as the Sikhs sought "sarbat da bhala" (universal welfare) and did not believe in "devi and devta". DSGMC head H. S. Sarna also added that the song "Vande Mataram" had been rejected long by well known freedom fighter Sikhs like Baba Kharak Singh and Master Tara Singh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vande_MataramAnd your point being? Was the Home Minister of India present at the meeting when SGPC passed the resolution? Let me repeat - my point is primarily against the presence of the Home Minister at a meeting where illogical fatwas have been adopted, and the fact that he did not make his position clear on the fatwas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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