Pakistan Cricket

[king2be98]

In the 20 years I have been watching the game, this is easily the worst Pakistani side that I have ever seen. The flaws with the side are endless and to be honest it's got to the point where me and most of my friends don't bother with the team no more. The last time we toured Pakistan we lost the test series, got demolished, but there was some hope as our ODI side was a good one and was able to compete, this time around we've got nothing. The problems start with such a poor management and think tank. Intikhab Alam is riding off the success of Imran Khan's '92 winning side and last years T20 WC win. However his coaching oozes of stupidity and pre-historic tactics. The current captain is the worst captain to have ever played the game and I'm not exagerating. Yousuf is a very nice guy, a wonderful batsman but he is simply too defensive and tame to lead any side. He isn't cut out for the job. The bowling is the one outfit that has promise. Asif is a class bowler, Aamer looks very good and has extreme pace and can only get better. Rana can move the ball, we have an array of good spinners who can contain and even take wickets. However bowlers suffer in Pakistani cricket a lot. Dropped catches not only hurt Pakistan but they demoralise the entire unit. On the first morning of the first test both openers were dropped for lowish scores, the score could have read 90-4 if Pakistan took their chances, instead it went to 180-0 if I recall. That's the type of thing that sucks the energy out of a bowling unit. This isn't a great bowling side, but it's can be good if given support. The fielding is attrocious, the last 3 tours Pakistan have gone on, they have dropped 42 catches. 42 catches in 9 test matches, that's so poor, simply appaling. The ground fielding is just as poor. We have two good fielders (Malik and Younis) and that's it, nothing else. Is this any side which boasts of such a poor fielding unit? Even minnows field better than us. The batting lacks two things, common sense and technique. Too many of our batsmen are vulnerable to short balls. They all try to pull, yet none of them actually can. Our specialist openers are unable to rotate the strike, surely if a batsman can't find boundaries at this level you should be able to rotate the strike, keep the board ticking. Then comes the rest of the batting, even if they have poor techniques they simply cannot afford to go into the shell when wickets fall. India recently almost chased 350 against Aus. Tendulkar was incredible in keep the scoring rate at a level which always kept India in the game or on top of the game. The other end wickets were tumbling at regular intervals. Common sense, nothing more, yes ability has a lot to do with it, but common sense a lot more. If Tendulkar went into his shell the asking rate would have soared and they'd have no chance, but he kept India in the game. Pakistan with the bat go into the shell as soon as a wicket or two falls. Going into the shell means at 10 overs your 20-2 and then at 15 overs your 25-2, you've made no progress. If a side is 20-2 after 10 goes to 45 or 80-3 after 20 they've made progress. There are so many basic issues with Pakistani cricket right now it's depressing to watch them. The way forward is simple, but it won't happen. We need a strong leader, someone to unite this talentless and gutless bunch. We need a modern coach, someone aware of escalating scores and scoring rates. We need above all else to get the basics such as catching right.

[Bradman99]

On paper, they aren't that bad. On the pitch it's another story.

[vvvslaxman]

On paper' date=' they aren't that bad. On the pitch it's another story.[/quote'] We don't play on paper :winky: . It is hard to distinguish between Bangladesh batsmen and Pakistan batsmen. This mahamudlla dude is better than half the Pakistan top order

[Bradman99]

By the way, great post. I agree with you whole-heartedly. Hopefully there are no smart ass comments coming up, cause it's kind a old. Pakistan have a long way to go, but at least there is potential there.

[EnterTheVoid]

I am going to the Adelaide Oval ODI on Tuesday, the 26th. If Pakistan can beat Australia on Australia day, a day thats as important to them (/us) as is Independence day is to Indians, than we can have something to look forward to.

[Bradman99]

I am going to the Adelaide Oval ODI on Tuesday' date=' the 26th. If Pakistan can beat Australia on Australia day, a day thats as important to them (/us) as is Independence day is to Indians, than we can have something to look forward to.[/quote'] ^ Ponting will get a century.

[Rajiv]

In the 20 years I have been watching the game, this is easily the worst Pakistani side that I have ever seen. The flaws with the side are endless and to be honest it's got to the point where me and most of my friends don't bother with the team no more. The last time we toured Pakistan we lost the test series, got demolished, but there was some hope as our ODI side was a good one and was able to compete, this time around we've got nothing. The problems start with such a poor management and think tank. Intikhab Alam is riding off the success of Imran Khan's '92 winning side and last years T20 WC win. However his coaching oozes of stupidity and pre-historic tactics. The current captain is the worst captain to have ever played the game and I'm not exagerating. Yousuf is a very nice guy, a wonderful batsman but he is simply too defensive and tame to lead any side. He isn't cut out for the job. The bowling is the one outfit that has promise. Asif is a class bowler, Aamer looks very good and has extreme pace and can only get better. Rana can move the ball, we have an array of good spinners who can contain and even take wickets. However bowlers suffer in Pakistani cricket a lot. Dropped catches not only hurt Pakistan but they demoralise the entire unit. On the first morning of the first test both openers were dropped for lowish scores, the score could have read 90-4 if Pakistan took their chances, instead it went to 180-0 if I recall. That's the type of thing that sucks the energy out of a bowling unit. This isn't a great bowling side, but it's can be good if given support. The fielding is attrocious, the last 3 tours Pakistan have gone on, they have dropped 42 catches. 42 catches in 9 test matches, that's so poor, simply appaling. The ground fielding is just as poor. We have two good fielders (Malik and Younis) and that's it, nothing else. Is this any side which boasts of such a poor fielding unit? Even minnows field better than us. The batting lacks two things, common sense and technique. Too many of our batsmen are vulnerable to short balls. They all try to pull, yet none of them actually can. Our specialist openers are unable to rotate the strike, surely if a batsman can't find boundaries at this level you should be able to rotate the strike, keep the board ticking. Then comes the rest of the batting, even if they have poor techniques they simply cannot afford to go into the shell when wickets fall. India recently almost chased 350 against Aus. Tendulkar was incredible in keep the scoring rate at a level which always kept India in the game or on top of the game. The other end wickets were tumbling at regular intervals. Common sense, nothing more, yes ability has a lot to do with it, but common sense a lot more. If Tendulkar went into his shell the asking rate would have soared and they'd have no chance, but he kept India in the game. Pakistan with the bat go into the shell as soon as a wicket or two falls. Going into the shell means at 10 overs your 20-2 and then at 15 overs your 25-2, you've made no progress. If a side is 20-2 after 10 goes to 45 or 80-3 after 20 they've made progress. There are so many basic issues with Pakistani cricket right now it's depressing to watch them. The way forward is simple, but it won't happen. We need a strong leader, someone to unite this talentless and gutless bunch. We need a modern coach, someone aware of escalating scores and scoring rates. We need above all else to get the basics such as catching right.

1) Wrong Leader 2) Management is all messed 3) Very Low Incentives 4) Team unity 5) Poor Form 6) Basics seem to be missing 7) Wrong guidance/coaching 8) An aggressive team of the past turned into a Mullah team - you get the point 9) Lack of games ( not completely their fault )

[Rajiv]

I am going to the Adelaide Oval ODI on Tuesday' date=' the 26th. If Pakistan can beat Australia on Australia day, a day thats as important to them (/us) as is Independence day is to Indians, than we can have something to look forward to.[/quote'] So Pakistan should look forward to 1) Beating AUS in a series where are 2 down OR 2) Beating AUS on their important date OR 3) Beating AUS coz its Indian Republic day IMO, all they would have on their mind would be Point 1.

[EnterTheVoid]

Actually, I wont hold the fielding against them too much. Ours is not much different and in comparison to Australia, their fielding outfit is a class apart - The way they dive, jump and slide to stop not only boundaries but 2's and 3's as well, they do with fantastic enthusiasm and commitment and it puts half - ar.sed attempts by our fielders to shame. Their fielding in the test matches was excellent and they have carried that through to the ODI's. Today, Ponting took a good diving catch, Cameron too, at second slip. As far as fielding goes, not one of their players is a liability.

[EnterTheVoid]

So Pakistan should look forward to 1) Beating AUS in a series where are 2 down OR 2) Beating AUS on their important date OR 3) Beating AUS coz its Indian Republic day IMO, all they would have on their mind would be Point 1.

I hope their performance is not as spineless and pathetic as it was today, hoping for a hard fought contest, maybe I am expecting too much. Ticket was a little steep, hoping the hype is not anti climactic :winky:

[Gunner_Mania]

Actually, I wont hold the fielding against them too much. Ours is not much different and in comparison to Australia, their fielding outfit is a class apart - The way they dive, jump and slide to stop not only boundaries but 2's and 3's as well, they do with fantastic enthusiasm and commitment and it puts half - ar.sed attempts by our fielders to shame. Their fielding in the test matches was excellent and they have carried that through to the ODI's. Today, Ponting took a good diving catch, Cameron too, at second slip. As far as fielding goes, not one of their players is a liability.

Why wouldn't you hold the fielding against them, because we have a poor fielding unit. What sort of excuse is that? The only thing that is going for them is their bowling and without support in the field that is also going to be rendered useless.

[EnterTheVoid]

Why wouldn't you hold the fielding against them' date= because we have a poor fielding unit. What sort of excuse is that? The only thing that is going for them is their bowling and without support in the field that is also going to be rendered useless.

Their fielding has always been pathetic, nothing new. Just saying, ours is not much better.

[Gunner_Mania]

1) Wrong Leader 2) Management is all messed 3) Very Low Incentives 4) Team unity 5) Poor Form 6) Basics seem to be missing 7) Wrong guidance/coaching 8) An aggressive team of the past turned into a Mullah team - you get the point 9) Lack of games ( not completely their fault )

Their following a path of self destruction. The system is fundamentally wrong from top down. May be they need to go the West indies way. Throw the entire current lot out and pick up an A Team. Surely the results are not going to be worse than what these lot are producing. In reality though they need to change the entire board at home, stop people shooting off their mouth in the media, get some proffesionalism.

[Shane]

They have simply lost the belief that they could ever win a Test / ODI. They lack a strong leader, someone who commands respect in the team, about the PCB they have always been shambolic. Yea and all the other points Rajiv mentioned.

[vvvslaxman]

1) Wrong Leader 2) Management is all messed 3) Very Low Incentives 4) Team unity 5) Poor Form 6) Basics seem to be missing 7) Wrong guidance/coaching 8) An aggressive team of the past turned into a Mullah team - you get the point 9) Lack of games ( not completely their fault )

It has never been there even their best of the days :cantstop:

[vvvslaxman]

Btw congradulations on reaching no.7th spot in the ICC rankings.

[Gunner_Mania]

Btw congradulations on reaching no.7th spot in the ICC rankings.

Only 2 more to go.

[EnterTheVoid]

This sort of anaysis is futile - Analysis implies identifying and correcting the mistakes, in this case, the same mistakes will be repeated over and over. If you don't learn from your mistakes, you deserve everything thats coming to you.

[vvvslaxman]

Pakistan's problem the biggest one is recycling players. They keep on going back to tried and tested failures. Mainly due to lack of bench strength.

[maggot_brain]

The problem with Pakistan is not limited to just Cricket. The whole country is a mess right now, that's not just idle Pakistan-bashing, it's a fact. If they can sort their country out the cricket team might at least have a chance then.