Nothing wrong in exploiting home conditions though Eden pitch would help seamers: Dhoni

[Chandan]

A track can start turning and assisting spinners after some wear and tear ' date=' so it takes at least 3 days of cricket. No proper cricket pitch can start spinning from day one without the help of soil underneath..! We always makes a mistake of preparing slow , bounce less tracks which starts turning from day . [b']It works when we bat first, but when opposition bats first we'll be in back foot as our spinners are effectively uselss. Compare this to tracks with some bounce, our seamers and Bhajji enjoys bounce so we can put pressure on opposition even if they bat first.

When did you see such a situation? Care to give an example? I'll give you one: Kanpur track : rank turner Toss : SA wins and bats first Result: India won by 8 wickets Scorecard

[King]

South Africa prepared a pitch that had England on the mat in the last test match when they needed to draw the match. Not many raised any questions about the pitch. Although the Indian players ideally should not be controlling the pitches they would definitely like to use the home advantage like they use elsewhere. South Africa can't produce a spinning track, so cannot England, so cannot New Zealand, so cannot Aussies (although Sydney assists the spinners more than seamers) and very rarely the players get to play on pitch that turn from day one. If India can produce one, they should so that the players are tested against spin as well and not just fast bowling. If there is a dearth of good spinners around the world right now, shouldn't the curators prepare pitches that turn so that the spinners can be included in the team?

[vvvslaxman]

Don't know about other countries. But India must prepare pitches that suit our strength against two countries. Srilanka and SA. That is what we get when we tour their land.

[gs]

Eden pitch would help seamers: Dhoni

Oh really?!?! Then why do we have only 2 pacers in the team?? They are not Malcom Marshall and Andy Roberts by any means to run through the opposition on a day1 pitch!! :hmmm:

[Gunner_Mania]

Oh really?!?! Then why do we have only 2 pacers in the team?? They are not Malcom Marshall and Andy Roberts by any means to run through the opposition on a day1 pitch!! :hmmm:

Dhoni made that comment yesterday. This is what Gary Kirsten had to say today

There was a lot less grass on the wicket today than there was yesterday, otherwise we would have gone for three seamers."

[Karan114]

There was a lot less grass on the wicket today than there was yesterday

Tendu-Dalmiya effect :winky:

[achilles]

In my opinion that is the wrong tack to approach this. If you want to give visiting teams pitches that play like theirs then what is the point about playing at home? We have got to get out of this mentality that a turning wicket is a bad one. We are Indians, are we not? :)

Exactly. Do you expect a turner in Perth when Indian goes to play there? Or did you ever question why Australia (or any other team for that matter) needs doctored pitches to win matches at home? Ever heard the concept that every team is difficult to beat at home? Why do you think that? Every team in the world prepares pitches that suits them. No team ever prepares pitches that suits the visiting team.

But it was a good move when SA did it. Anyways the posts above provide good reason, read them

A good team doesn't need custom pitches to win. They possess the ability to win in all situations. Domaink completely loses the plot here. Its simple logic pal. No rocket science. If you are a good side, you don't need pitches to assist you to pull off victories.

[Sachinism]

A good team doesn't need custom pitches to win. They possess the ability to win in all situations. Domaink completely loses the plot here. Its simple logic pal. No rocket science. If you are a good side' date=' you don't need pitches to assist you to pull off victories.[/quote'] Therefore according to you, no team deserves to be called a good team, because they've all used the home advantage

[Gunner_Mania]

A good team doesn't need custom pitches to win. They possess the ability to win in all situations. Domaink completely loses the plot here. Its simple logic pal. No rocket science. If you are a good side' date=' you don't need pitches to assist you to pull off victories.[/quote'] Per your assessment then SA & Australia are not good teams?

[King]

A full strength Australia and South Africa have also trouble coping in certain conditions, that doesn't mean they are bad. Just that they didn't know to adapt just like the sub continent team struggle in Aus, South Africa and NZ/Eng. South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and England don't really prepare turners when India visit them.

[EnterTheVoid]

The NUMBER ONE team in test cricket needs to doctor pitches to win? Shouldn't the Number 1 team be capable enough to compete on competitive tracks?

I know what you are trying to say and I agree with you. They'd say the curator was requested, I'd say the curator was harrased, just don't tell anyone :secret:

[The Outsider]

I know what you are trying to say and I agree with you. They'd say the curator was requested, I'd say the curator was harrased, just don't tell anyone :secret:

Ok, now that as the number 1 team in the world India has led the way by preparing a green track in a series decider will other teams follow suit by giving India turners when we tour?

[EnterTheVoid]

Ok' date=' now that as the number 1 team in the world India has led the way by preparing a green track in a series decider will other teams follow suit by giving India turners when we tour?[/quote'] No, why should they, unless youre implying the pitch was purposefully doctored to suit the South Africans attack, which I just don't believe.

[The Outsider]

No' date=' why should they, unless youre implying the pitch was purposefully doctored to suit the South Africans attack, which I just don't believe.[/quote'] Yeah, no wonder that Eden Gardens traditionally ranks amongst the worlds' greentops like Headingly and Durban - this was just a run off the mill track produced!

[EnterTheVoid]

Yeah' date=' no wonder that Eden Gardens traditionally ranks amongst the worlds' greentops like Headingly and Durban - this was just a run off the mill track produced![/quote'] Look, use the correct language here: You cannot use intimidation tactics to harress and bully the curator into producing a pitch that will make India win and justify it under the guise of home advantage. Had he produced a Kanpur style rank turner, which he was pressurized to do, and you can't deny this, it is blatant and unebated pitch doctoring; you may not like the word and use superficial nonsense such as "home advantage", but it is anything but.

[King]

Look, use the correct language here: You cannot use intimidation tactics to harress and bully the curator into producing a pitch that will make India win and justify it under the guise of home advantage. Had he produced a Kanpur style rank turner, which he was pressurized to do, and you can't deny this, it is blatant and unebated pitch doctoring; you may not like the word and use superficial nonsense such as "home advantage", but it is anything but.

Why do you reckon it would be cheating to produce a turner? Don't you reckon the pitch is applicable for both teams? It's not like India will play on flat track and South Africa will on dust bowl. Like you apply the yardstick that India if they are no.1 should play on any track don't you reckon South Africa should also?

[Karan114]

Look, use the correct language here: You cannot use intimidation tactics to harress and bully the curator into producing a pitch that will make India win and justify it under the guise of home advantage. Had he produced a Kanpur style rank turner, which he was pressurized to do, and you can't deny this, it is blatant and unebated pitch doctoring; you may not like the word and use superficial nonsense such as "home advantage", but it is anything but.

What's with this holier than thou attitude? Let's stay in the real world please - a world where the South African coach, embarrassingly down 0-1 going into the final Test of a home series against England, unashamedly demands and gets a greentop from the curator. Look, EVERY team uses home advantages (or doctors pitches since you seem so hung up on the semantics of the issue). Oddly some people like yourself get apologetic when India do so. Only in our country will a curator deliberately prepare a greentop when the relative strength of the two teams is tilted towards spin for India (yes, whatever our current problems with the form of the spinners, we cannot match Dale Steyn with his near 200 wickets at 23).

[EnterTheVoid]

Why do you reckon it would be cheating to produce a turner? Don't you reckon the pitch is applicable for both teams? It's not like India will play on flat track and South Africa will on dust bowl. Like you apply the yardstick that India if they are no.1 should play on any track don't you reckon South Africa should also?

What's with this holier than thou attitude? Let's stay in the real world please - a world where the South African coach, embarrassingly down 0-1 going into the final Test of a home series against England, unashamedly demands and gets a greentop from the curator. Look, EVERY team uses home advantages (or doctors pitches since you seem so hung up on the semantics of the issue). Oddly some people like yourself get apologetic when India do so. Only in our country will a curator deliberately prepare a greentop when the relative strength of the two teams is tilted towards spin for India (yes, whatever our current problems with the form of the spinners, we cannot match Dale Steyn with his near 200 wickets at 23).

See, no one would begrudge if India produced spinning wickets since spin is India's strengh and India is playing to its home advantage. I see nothing wrong in that However, it is also apparent that the curator is pressurized into producing an over friendly rank turner who sole purpose was to make India win, just like Mumbai '04 and Kanpur '08. This is not home advantage but blatant cheating.

[Karan114]

This is not home advantage but blatant cheating.

Did both teams not play on the same pitch?

[sangrock]

South Africa is a much better team than India in all departmenrts of the game and the only way for India to beat the Proteas is by food poisoning them

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