CMJ's Top 100 cricketers

[Sachinism]

Goose is softy .... if I wuz him you would now be a member of VHP :--D

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[goose]

I never got converted. Outsider's main argument was that if we're to downscale Bradman's average down to say 50 odd then what of his peers who averaged 50. Do we say their true average was in the 30s? To that i say, why not! Carl Lewis was a champion of his day. However, Usain Bolt is the better sprinter. FACT.

[Mr. Wicket]

PS : I managed to move goose over to the dark side of Bradman a tad bit over a couple of Grey Goose Vodkas last night' date= so maybe we should have a drink together. :giggle:

A couple?

[goose]

Pretty lame effort by me. My liver is on life support. Outsider was knocking 'em back though.

[Mr. Wicket]

My liver is glad I was not hanging out with you guys yesterday.

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[Mr. Wicket]

so boss, who'd win the drinking contest between you and prof? :D

[lonestarranger]

Hmm. Why 47? :punter: I'm not happy :punter:

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[Mr. Wicket]

boss had glory days in the 90s? I thought he just ran away from Akhtar without nicking it and then got bigged up by one-eyed fans to the heavens, when Sehwag is so much better. :winky:

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[Bublu Bhuyan]

I do believe that Sachin would have averaged much higher if he played during Bradman's time. Just think about the advantages he would have got - 1. Less risk of injuries, since lesser number of matches were played. 2. A million times lighter travel schedule. 3. Play in not more than 2 or 3 countries all throughout your career. 4. Akram, Waqar, Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Fannie De Villiers, Warne, McGrath, Gillespie, Murali - some of the great bowlers Sachin faced. Compared to them, whom did Bradman face? He certainly didn't face a better attack than Sachin. 5. No media pressure or expectations from people what-so-ever. Play freely without ever fearing of criticism or letting fans down. This would have been the biggest factor. His biggest disadvantage would have been lack of proper protective gears. But when you start playing without them, you get used to it. Didn't all players till Gavaskar's time play without helmets? Was anyone killed? No! Raman Lamba was an exception. It wasn't an international match, add to that he wasn't hit while batting but rather while fielding close to the batsman. I'm not saying that he would have been as good as Bradman. But in my opinion chances are there that he would have ended his career with an average of above 60, or maybe even 70.

[Lurker]

His biggest disadvantage would have been lack of proper protective gears. But when you start playing without them, you get used to it. Didn't all players till Gavaskar's time play without helmets? Was anyone killed? No! Raman Lamba was an exception. It wasn't an international match, add to that he wasn't hit while batting but rather while fielding close to the batsman.

Not sure if you are an Indian fan, if you are then it is truly ironical for you to suggest what you have. Nari Contractor was once felled by a bouncer from Charlie Griffith, atguably the fastest of his time with a dodgy action at times. His skull made the sound of crackd open shell that was heard all the way to pavillion. He was unconscious for a week. West Indies players, Frank Worrell included, donated blood to save his life. He never played cricket again. Would that qualify as being "deadly"? Ewen Chattfield was hit on the head by Peter Lever and was clinically dead for a moment, it was only English physician's mouth to mouth that saved his life. Please feel free to look them up. I suspect you want to prop Sachin, which to me is nonsense anyway as every thread these days end up looking retarded because of that, but atleast you can make an effort to be fair? Playing against Larwood without helmet with no bouncer restriction is not the same as facing Akhtar with body arnor and 1 bounce per over rule. xxx

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Not sure if you are an Indian fan, if you are then it is truly ironical for you to suggest what you have. Nari Contractor was once felled by a bouncer from Charlie Griffith, atguably the fastest of his time with a dodgy action at times. His skull made the sound of crackd open shell that was heard all the way to pavillion. He was unconscious for a week. West Indies players, Frank Worrell included, donated blood to save his life. He never played cricket again. Would that qualify as being "deadly"? Ewen Chattfield was hit on the head by Peter Lever and was clinically dead for a moment, it was only English physician's mouth to mouth that saved his life. Please feel free to look them up. I suspect you want to prop Sachin, which to me is nonsense anyway as every thread these days end up looking retarded because of that, but atleast you can make an effort to be fair? Playing against Larwood without helmet with no bouncer restriction is not the same as facing Akhtar with body arnor and 1 bounce per over rule. xxx

While I don't disagree with the above, I can tell first hand that you're a critic. Answer in one word - yes or no?

[Lurker]

While I don't disagree with the above' date=' I can tell first hand that you're a critic. Answer in one word - yes or no?[/quote'] I dont get caught up in a nonsense argument like that. To be honest I am critical of myself that in a list of 100 greats I have made a post or two about SRT vs Bradman. So take it for whatever its worth.

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[Bumper]

Bradman & Sachin again! You guys should be kidding yourselves comparing players from drastically different eras. Like most sports I dont believe cricket was as competitive back then. Goose is absolutely right. You can take any sport and look at its evolutiion in the last 50 years. You will find a huge gulf in skill level, power, speed, competition etc between the way the sport was played back then and now. A sport like cricket changes a lot within a decade (leave alone 70 years). What used to be a whirlwind knock in the 90s is merely a cameo today. What used to be a match winning ODI total is not even competitive today. Thats how much the game changes in a short span of time. History is constantly being rewritten. Most of what we know of Bradman is based on hear say & cricketing literature (which was mostly written by whitemen). We all know how that works. Taking nothing away from Bradman, he was clearly well ahead of his peers. To take that and extrapolate or assert that he is some kind of invincibe force is simply baseless. You could rate half a dozen modern day batsman ahead of Bradman & you wouldnt be too wrong. I dont know if Sachin is a better batsman than Bradman or not. I simply dont care to know. But calling Bradman the greatest ever is a heap of bull dust. He was the greatest of his era. Not the greatest ever. Full stop.

[Bumper]

And Oh, there was this bully in my high school, he would absolutely tower over his peers. We used to play a rival school very often & each time he would knock the wind out of the opponents. He was way ahead of his peers. I reckon he will give Bradman a serious run for the money. PS: I dont think this high school bully got past the Kanga league though.

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