Neo sports speed gun is officially wrong

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Finalllyyy Proof how much wrong neo sports speed gun is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- here are speeds by southafrican broadcasting speedguns shown on cricinfo- -http://www.cricinfo.com/indvrsa2010/engine/current/match/441829.html .1 Sreesanth to Bosman, 1 run, 136.0 kph, strays on the pads first up, helped away to fine leg Dinesh Karthik to face Dale Steyn 0.1 Sreesanth to Bosman, 1 run, 136.0 kph, shapes away from the batsman, left alone by Karthik Two slips in place, looks like a real flat, bald track 0.2 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 135.3 kph, on target, no swing so far, Amla defends off the front foot Already the second slip is out, comes to short point 0.3 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 139.9 kph, square-driven, nicely timed, but not wide of backward point Dinesh karthik at first slip, Virat Kohli at short point 0.4 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 132.3 kph, punched away nicely, good connection, but not past cover 0.5 Sreesanth to Amla, 1 run, 135.5 kph, drops and runs, good early call, takes Raina - cover - on, but it's an early call that sees him through 0.6 Sreesanth to Bosman, no run, 134.1 kph, full delivery, on off, pushed back to the bowler End of over 1 (2 runs) South Africa 2/0 (RR: 2.00) LL Bosman 1* (2b) S Sreesanth 1-0-2-0 HM Amla 1* (4b) Sudeep Tyagi will share the new ball. One slip and a short point for him too 1.1 Tyagi to Amla, 2 runs, 133.1 kph, full ball on the pads, flicked away past square leg 1.2 Tyagi to Amla, no run, 137.8 kph, stays full again, around off, no movement, hit back to the bowler 1.3 Tyagi to Amla, FOUR, 126.3 kph, nicely played, upper-cut over point, it is short and wide, and he almost takes six off. In the Test series, Amla played one shot in the air, and here in an ODI he goes aerial in the second over both slips out now 1.4 Tyagi to Amla, no run, 135.1 kph, fuller, on off, played to short cover 1.5 Tyagi to Amla, no run, 128.7 kph, back of a length, around off, open face, can't get it past short point 1.6 Tyagi to Amla, 1 no ball, 134.6 kph, oversteps... looks to tuck him up on the pads, and it's called no-ball - he has landed behind the line and slid onto it 1.6 Tyagi to Amla, 1 run, 134.6 kph, flat-bats the free hit back at the bowler, who gets his hands onto it but can't catch it - the fumble costs him a single End of over 2 (8 runs) South Africa 10/0 (RR: 5.00) HM Amla 8* (11b 1x4) S Tyagi 1-0-8-0 LL Bosman 1* (2b) S Sreesanth 1-0-2-0 2.1 Sreesanth to Amla, 2 runs, 132.6 kph, back of a length, into the pads, swivel-pulls it, fine leg is very square, gets him a couple 2.2 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 136.1 kph, full and wide, hit one-bounce to short cover 2.3 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 136.3 kph, stops a touch at Amla who checks the shot and keeps it down, hitting it towards mid-on 2.4 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 136.0 kph, straying onto the pads, and Amla misses out on this offering, the ball rolls off the pad towards Dhoni 2.5 Sreesanth to Amla, 1 run, 134.3 kph, runs this one down to third man 2.6 Sreesanth to Bosman, no run, 132.4 kph, short, looks for the cut, doesn't get enough room for the shot, plays it one bounce to point End of over 3 (3 runs) South Africa 13/0 (RR: 4.33) LL Bosman 1* (3b) S Sreesanth 2-0-5-0 HM Amla 11* (16b 1x4) S Tyagi 1-0-8-0 3.1 Tyagi to Amla, no run, 138.3 kph, diving save by Dinesh Karthik at short cover, was hit well by Amla 3.2 Tyagi to Amla, no run, 138.7 kph, looks to work it off the pads, can't get it past midwicket 3.3 Tyagi to Amla, no run, 123.9 kph, misses out on the big pull shot, short and outside off, Amla goes for the full-blooded pull, but the ball comes on too slowly 3.4 Tyagi to Amla, no run, 142.2 kph, full delivery, hit powerfully, another good reflex save by Karthik at short cover 3.5 Tyagi to Amla, FOUR, 134.1 kph, short-arm pull, the ball didn't come on, nor did it rise high, Amla went for the short-arm shot and swivelled as he made contact, nicely played 3.6 Tyagi to Amla, no run, 143.0 kph, driven down the ground, can't get it past mid-on End of over 4 (4 runs) South Africa 17/0 (RR: 4.25) HM Amla 15* (22b 2x4) S Tyagi 2-0-12-0 LL Bosman 1* (3b) S Sreesanth 2-0-5-0 4.1 Sreesanth to Bosman, FOUR, 136.3 kph, nicely pushed down the ground, on the up, full face of the bat, lovely timing, beats mid-off 4.2 Sreesanth to Bosman, no run, 134.1 kph, slight inward seam movement, back of a length and comes back in, played to mid-on 4.3 Sreesanth to Bosman, 1 run, 132.8 kph, opens the face, plays it wide of backward point, easy single taken 4.4 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 136.9 kph, good timing, driven down the ground, straight to mid-off, though 4.5 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 95.6 kph, slower legcutter, it turns away like a proper legbreak, and beats Amla on the cut 4.6 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 136.9 kph, wristily driven down the ground, can't beat mid-on End of over 5 (5 runs) South Africa 22/0 (RR: 4.40) HM Amla 15* (25b 2x4) S Sreesanth 3-0-10-0 LL Bosman 6* (6b 1x4) S Tyagi 2-0-12-0 Have you got Cricinfo's Google Chrome extension? It's pretty nifty. 5.1 Tyagi to Bosman, no run, 137.6 kph, inside edge stifles a possible lbw shout here 5.2 Tyagi to Bosman, FOUR, 138.2 kph, nice shot, always knew he was going over the top, got under a length delivery, extended his arms and hit it through the line, over mid-on short mid-on comes in, with one foot almost on the pitch 5.3 Tyagi to Bosman, no run, 142.0 kph, hit to the right of that very man, but no runs 5.4 Tyagi to Bosman, no run, 142.2 kph, driven powerfully, straight to Raina at cover there's quite some damage done by bowlers' footmarks on the pitch. The soil is coming off quite noticeably 5.5 Tyagi to Bosman, FOUR, 140.1 kph, full delivery on the pads, a gift really, and flicked away for four to square leg 5.6 Tyagi to Bosman, FOUR, 135.3 kph, goes short and wide, and is cut away, square of third man, another nice shot End of over 6 (12 runs) South Africa 34/0 (RR: 5.66) LL Bosman 18* (12b 4x4) S Tyagi 3-0-24-0 HM Amla 15* (25b 2x4) S Sreesanth 3-0-10-0 6.1 Sreesanth to Amla, FOUR, 129.6 kph, the flood gates are open, wristily flicked away, back of a length, and from in front of the stumps he hits a four to square leg. Four fours in last seven deliveries 6.2 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 138.3 kph, better length, slightly fuller, but still not driving length, pushed to cover 6.3 Sreesanth to Amla, no run, 135.2 kph, can't beat that man at short cover again, and Dinesh karthik is quick there, making Bosman rush back into his crease at the non-striker's end 6.4 Sreesanth to Amla, 1 run, 137.1 kph, crashed away square of the wicket, Kohli at backward point fumbles, giving away the single 6.5 Sreesanth to Bosman, 1 no ball, 132.6 kph, caught off a no-ball! the short midwicket plan almost worked, but Sreesanth overstepped! Bosman whipped it off his pads, in the air, Yusuf takes a nice catch, but realises late that this is a no-ball 6.5 Sreesanth to Bosman, no run, 137.5 kph, wide yorker, Bosman backs away and ends up far from it, and the free hit doesn't hurt them much in terms of runs 6.6 Sreesanth to Bosman, FOUR, 138.2 kph, follows it up with a poor delivery, full and on the pads, and flicked past short fine leg for four, easy pickings End of over 7 (10 runs) South Africa 44/0 (RR: 6.28) LL Bosman 22* (15b 5x4) S Sreesanth 4-0-20-0 HM Amla 20* (29b 3x4) S Tyagi 3-0-24-0 Debutant Abhimanyu Mithun gets a ball for the first time 7.1 Mithun to Amla, no run, 129.3 kph, starts off short and wide, but Amla is early into the cut shot, the ball not coming on well 7.2 Mithun to Amla, no run, 132.9 kph, bowls wide of the crease, short of a length, angling in, punched to point 7.3 Mithun to Amla, no run, 133.6 kph, flat-bats this one across the line, gets power in, but can't get it past mid-on 7.4 Mithun to Amla, no run, 132.4 kph, short and wide again, and Amla misses out on the cut again, slightly extra bounce this time 7.5 Mithun to Amla, FOUR, 135.2 kph, length ball on the pads, and nicely, beautifully flicked past mid-on, and superb timing on it 7.6 Mithun to Amla, FOUR, 130.7 kph, he has been asking to be hit this over, and Amla obliges this time. It is short and wide again, and he waits that extra half second and makes connection, goes in front of point and gets four End of over 8 (8 runs) South Africa 52/0 (RR: 6.50) HM Amla 28* (35b 5x4) A Mithun 1-0-8-0 LL Bosman 22* (15b 5x4) S Sreesanth 4-0-20-0 8.1 Sreesanth to Bosman, SIX, 129.5 kph, what a shot! The Hammer hammers! Gets under a short delivery and plays the pick-up pull, into the crowd behind the square-leg fence 8.2 Sreesanth to Bosman, no run, 132.3 kph, slower ball, offcutter this time, better length too - full but not driveable, inside edge onto the pad 8.3 Sreesanth to Bosman, no run, 125.3 kph, hits that length again, around off, defended towards short cover 8.4 Sreesanth to Bosman, FOUR, 91.6 kph, slower legcutter gone wrong, ends up being a fulltoss on the pads, and he is literally swept away. With fine leg up, that line is a crime really. Was he looking to bowl him around his legs? 8.5 Sreesanth to Bosman, 1 run, 129.5 kph, opens the face, shows a wide delivery through to third man 8.6 Sreesanth to Amla, 1 run, 127.2 kph, Amla gets the single to third man this time, another good over for South Africa End of over 9 (12 runs) South Africa 64/0 (RR: 7.11) HM Amla 29* (36b 5x4) S Sreesanth 5-0-32-0 LL Bosman 33* (20b 6x4 1x6) A Mithun 1-0-8-0 9.1 Mithun to Amla, 1 run, 134.8 kph, Rohit Sharma misses out on a direct-hit from mid-on, Amla was gone had he hit. Poor call after having hit straight to the fielder, off the back foot that too 9.2 Mithun to Bosman, no run, 136.8 kph, swipes across the line and misses, back of a length it was and bounced nicely 9.3 Mithun to Bosman, no run, 139.4 kph, full and wide, driven powerfully, one bounce to short point 9.4 Mithun to Bosman, 1 run, 134.2 kph, shortish, wide of off, opens the face and gets a single to third man 9.5 Mithun to Amla, no run, 133.8 kph, moves across pretty early, whips a length delivery, can't beat square leg 9.6 Mithun to Amla, FOUR, 133.6 kph, superb placement, driven on the up, and through a tight off side ring, beating short cover and point, and then regulation cover and point on neosports speed gun higest speed clocked by mithun was 130 km/h while it is 142 on cricinfo so we all got our answer also steyn clocked 149km/h and was 140+ most times while on neo he was 130-140 http://www.cricinfo.com/indvrsa2010/engine/current/match/441829.html?innings=2;page=1;view=commentary also ravishastri during the 1st test questioned the technology used in australia where pacers were clocking 160 and nsteyn and morkel were being clocked at 130 in india

[Gunner_Mania]

There can be no SouthAfrican broadcasting feed from the ground. Neo was the host broadcaster. Nobody else can pick live broadcast feeds from the ground other than Neo. That is why they pay all those millions of dollars for exclusivity. The rest of the world will only recieve the feed from Neo.

[EnterTheVoid]

And how do you know the speed guns that Neo' are compared against are calibrated properly ?

[Watson87]

SouthAfrican broadcasting speedgun :haha::hysterical: Dude are you high?

[Ram]

Huh, there's no South African speed gun or Indian speed gun. There's just one speed gun on the ground, but there are different broadcasters. I might be wrong on this, but the way things work is that there is one production company that does all the production (In this case, Nimbus sports). They're are the company that buy all the equipment, lug it to the stadium, hire all the cameramen, technical people etc. So, I am guessing that along with the actual visual/audio of the match, they also capture all the speed gun measurement/hot-spot/speed gun measurements/snicko etc. They then give all these feeds to the Broadcaster (in this case Neo for the Indian Audience) and say Superports (for the South African audience). Remember, when BCCI sells these broadcasting rights, they do it based based on the country. So, the same match can be telecasted in Neo in India and Sky sports in the UK. My guess is the production company gives all the feeds to the broadcasting company, which then come up with all the fancy graphics/speed gun readings etc. And this could probably lead to all the discrepancy in the speed gun readings b/w the different channels. But one thing's for sure, there's no Indian speed gun, Indonesian speed gun etc. :giggle:

[The Outsider]

^ That's quite possible but I can vouch for the fact that the speeds on cricinfo commentary were consistently higher than the readings being shown on TV - I had mentioned this in some other thread as well.

[Gunner_Mania]

^ That's quite possible but I can vouch for the fact that the speeds on cricinfo commentary were consistently higher than the readings being shown on TV - I had mentioned this in some other thread as well.

Yes they were. I too would be very interested to know where CI got their speeds from. AFAIK, they do their commentary based on the TV. and the host broadcaster is the only one which provides the raw feed world wide and then the other broadcasters can add their own commentaries etc.

[rkt.india]

Me too had these questions in mind, someone should ask this from CI

[Ram]

Yes they were. I too would be very interested to know where CI got their speeds from. AFAIK' date=' they do their commentary based on the TV. [b']and the host broadcaster is the only one which provides the raw feed world wide and then the other broadcasters can add their own commentaries etc.

It doesnt work that way. All broadcasters get their feed from the Production company, not from the host broadcaster. There's no 'Neo Sports' camera, 'Sky sports' camera etc on the ground, there's only a 'Nimbus sports' camera. And Nimbus sports gives the telecast to BCCI (the home board), which pays Nimbus to do all the production. BCCI then decides which broadcasting n/w get the feeds from Nimbus sports, based on the contracts they signed. So for example, it could be Neo cricket that could have the broadcasting rights in India, while it could Supersports in South Africa and Sky sports in the UK. The only thing different that is different b/w the different broadcasters is each of them have a different commentary team, either on the ground, or in the studio. My guess is that the production company (in this Case Nimbus sports) gives all of the feeds from all the cameras to all of the Broadcasters, who then pick and choose what they want to show, with help from a dedicated technical team. And that is why, If you look at coverage of the same match by different channels, it is just not the same, even though there's only one set of cameras on the ground. The Sky sports commentators will have one talking point (lets say they're talking about lbw replay), while the Neo cricket commentators will have a different set of video/audio, all at the same time.

[Gunner_Mania]

^ I was treating Nimbus /Neo as the same. I meant the same thing what you were saying. I remember during the Graeme Smith dismissal fiasco in the SA-Eng series, David Gower explainign that how SABC as the host broadcaster or production company as you call them provided the raw feed, but Sky's on site production team then added the graphics or increased / decreased the volume from the feeds as required and did the other work for Sky's telecast. So it was initially suggested that the feed SABC provided to Harper didnt have the sound for the nick while the rest of the world heard it. It is not always done that way though. For eg. the BD-Eng tour Sky here gets the same feed as Neo in India. Sky doesn't have separate commentators. Its the same set for both Neo & Sky i.e. Bumble, Athers and Bob WIllis are all representing Nimbus during the commentary stint and not Sky. They talk to the Sky studio host - pre or post game only.

[Ram]

^ I was treating Nimbus /Neo as the same. I meant the same thing what you were saying. I remember during the Graeme Smith dismissal fiasco in the SA-Eng series' date=' David Gower explainign that how SABC as the host broadcaster or production company as you call them provided the raw feed, but Sky's on site production team then added the graphics or increased / decreased the volume from the feeds as required and did the other work for Sky's telecast. So it was initially suggested that the feed SABC provided to Harper didnt have the sound for the nick while the rest of the world heard it.[/quote'] There's a BIG difference b/w the production company and broadcasting company. And with reg. the broadcasting company also lending its feed to other broadcasters, that also happens. If you remember during WC '03, due to the law passed by the Indian govt. declaring cricket as 'an event of national importance', thus making it mandatory for all broadcasters that were telecasting important sporting events in which India was participating, to share their feed with Doordarshan. It all depends on all the contracts, sub-contracts etc.

[Ram]

It is not always done that way though. For eg. the BD-Eng tour Sky here gets the same feed as Neo in India. Sky doesn't have separate commentators. Its the same set for both Neo & Sky i.e. Bumble, Athers and Bob WIllis are all representing Nimbus during the commentary stint and not Sky. They talk to the Sky studio host - pre or post game only.

Yes, different broadcasters also share their feeds with other broadcasters sometimes.

[CG]

SouthAfrican broadcasting speedgun :haha::hysterical: Dude are you high?

dude i meant south african broadcasting corparation or sabc speedgun may be you are bit high.there can be diff speedguns in a samematch as was seen in ind tour of australia where starcricket had there own speed gun and cameras they were only taking live naked feed from channel nine. And it came to light when ishant sharma clocked 153km on channel nine whereas he clocked 135 km on espn.espn does the same with sky in england

[achilles]

Has Ishant ever bowled at 153ks in his life? :hysterical: Did they take him off the ground on a stretcher after that? :hysterical:

[dev.goswami]

dude i meant south african broadcasting corparation or sabc speedgun may be you are bit high.there can be diff speedguns in a samematch as was seen in ind tour of australia where starcricket had there own speed gun and cameras they were only taking live naked feed from channel nine. And it came to light when ishant sharma clocked 153km on channel nine whereas he clocked 135 km on espn.espn does the same with sky in england

Has Ishant ever bowled at 153ks in his life? :hysterical: Did they take him off the ground on a stretcher after that? :hysterical:

Actually that did happen..after the ball was bowled i saw the speed of 135 kmph on the bottom line on espn...but seconds after they showed the display screen which is kept on the ground which was showing 151 kmph...and the commentators proclaiming that hes bowled the fastest delivery in the history of India cricket...it was in the newspapers too the next day...but i am 100 percent sure that espn showed 135 kmph...there are discrepancies it seems :hmmm:

[achilles]

^ Kya baat karra. ESPN's speed gun was right. :clap: There is no way Ishu can bowl 151ks, his performances stand in testimony to that. :mama:

[rkt.india]

Actually that did happen..after the ball was bowled i saw the speed of 135 kmph on the bottom line on espn...but seconds after they showed the display screen which is kept on the ground which was showing 151 kmph...and the commentators proclaiming that hes bowled the fastest delivery in the history of India cricket...it was in the newspapers too the next day...but i am 100 percent sure that espn showed 135 kmph...there are discrepancies it seems :hmmm:

No ESPN didn't show any speed on that delivery that was bowled to Matthew Hayden and was really quick Hayden slashed and missed. ishant was really super quick in that CB series bowling at an average speed of over 140 ks...his some deliveries were so quick that even Adam Gilchrist was hurried and on of which he tried play bt was late and ball got this inside edge and stumps were all over the place.....some of hayden's slashes went over slips in that game he 4-fer in that game and Australia bowled out around 150..that was brilliant spell bowling by him all wickets were top batsman hayden, gilly, symonds...in that CB series he bowled a lot of over 145 ks deliveries............ this was the game: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79i2nLcUm2U]YouTube- Ishant Sharma 4-38 (Match 4 - Australia vs India) CB Series 2008[/ame] \ actually the change in his bowling action has lead to his downfall

[rkt.india]

look at this: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrwSPibF5Os]YouTube- Rising Star - Ishant Sharma[/ame]

[dev.goswami]

No ESPN didn't show any speed on that delivery that was bowled to Matthew Hayden and was really quick Hayden slashed and missed. ishant was really super quick in that CB series bowling at an average speed of over 140 ks...his some deliveries were so quick that even Adam Gilchrist was hurried and on of which he tried play bt was late and ball got this inside edge and stumps were all over the place.....some of hayden's slashes went over slips in that game he 4-fer in that game and Australia bowled out around 150..that was brilliant spell bowling by him all wickets were top batsman hayden, gilly, symonds...in that CB series he bowled a lot of over 145 ks deliveries............ this was the game: YouTube- Ishant Sharma 4-38 (Match 4 - Australia vs India) CB Series 2008 actually the change in his bowling action has lead to his downfall

My bad...now that you mention it i realize that you are true..i got confused it seems.