EnterTheVoid Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 So you believe 9/11 was not by islamist extremists:(( Was it Mossad or Bush? Sree you have really gone down in my estimations here! The internet has really spawned all kinds of whacky and crazy theories on all kinds of topics and things. Raising legitimate doubts about Elvis being dead as KT is doing cannot be dismissed as conspiracy theories, because such questions haven't been addressed properly. Would you not agree Sree?:giggle: Who did 9 / 11, I don't know, for what reasons did they do 9 / 11, I don't know, but this much I do know; Pick your side, either for or against, there are gaping holes in logic either way. Will we ever get any honest answers, I don't know. I am sure you are intelligent enough to distinguish between legitimate doubts and conspiracy theories.
EnterTheVoid Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 I don't buy the story COMPLETELY either FOR OR AGAINST. I still have my doubts.
Clarke Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Lets get one thing clear; Raising legitimate doubts about 9 / 11 as MHR is doing cannot be dismissed as conspiracy theories, because such questions haven't been addressed properly. Oh and before anyone asks, I am not Muslim, I am Hindu and I am with MHR on this one. Its been 8+ yrs .. is that not long enough time to understand how ridiculous these theories are without any proper objective for America ? Its easier to pull up questions on every minute detail of the attacks by searching on conspiracy theorists online, and its even simpler to understand it was USA itself that had nothing to gain but lose a lot from these attacks. BTW do u believe 26/11 was a RAW hatched event to gain an excuse to wage war on Pakistan and attain some other objectives like killing Karkare ? Or does it sound ridiculous ? Replace 26/11 by 9/11, RAW by CIA and Pakistan by Afghanistan for the first part of the sentence and let me know. The conspiracy theories will remain .. traveling by small boat is ridiculous, they had a saffron band on their hands, Kasab speaks marathi fluently etc .. its up to an individual to decide which side seems more credible.
EnterTheVoid Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Its been 8+ yrs .. is that not long enough time to understand how ridiculous these theories are without any proper objective for America ? Who knows man, who knows. Only god knows. BTW do u believe 26/11 was a RAW hatched event to gain an excuse to wage war on Pakistan and attain some other objectives like killing Karkare ? Or does it sound ridiculous ? Replace 26/11 by 9/11, RAW by CIA and Pakistan by Afghanistan for the first part of the sentence and let me know. The conspiracy theories will remain .. traveling by small boat is ridiculous, they had a saffron band on their hands, Kasab speaks marathi fluently etc .. its up to an individual to decide which side seems more credible. I will concede this much. I don't know who to believe because I don't think they are telling us the truth.
mhr123 Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Its easier to pull up questions on every minute detail of the attacks by searching on conspiracy theorists online' date=' and its even simpler to understand it was USA itself that had nothing to gain but lose a lot from these attacks.[/quote'] Mate.. i have concentrated on major things while posting here... for eg. hijackers not in the passenger list , black box beyond recovery but passport recovered amids the explosion and fire which burnt the steel above 1500 degree temp ,u wud be surprised if i post u the bush revelation on CNN what he did at school and how he saw the first plane hitting the 1st building on TV. BTW.. there were no video of 1 WTC building (as it was 1st surprise hit) the video was released next day by the news channels have not counted it here...if it was not on TV then how did Bush saw it on TV while in school ..(pretty cool isn't it) BTW do u believe 26/11 was a RAW hatched event to gain an excuse to wage war on Pakistan and attain some other objectives like killing Karkare ? Or does it sound ridiculous ? Replace 26/11 by 9/11, RAW by CIA and Pakistan by Afghanistan for the first part of the sentence and let me know. The conspiracy theories will remain .. traveling by small boat is ridiculous, they had a saffron band on their hands, Kasab speaks marathi fluently etc .. its up to an individual to decide which side seems more credible. Events on 2611 is quite different from 911 ... People like Zaid Hamid have pointed out few things to show that it was all a preplanned etc.... Legitimate questions on 911 are asked by everyone Engineers , Architects , Scientist etcs.. but 2611 questions are only raised by Pak ... btw nobody cares abt them. Regarding terrorist traveling by boat .. it may be possible due to negligence by navy but getting but on the hineside getting on the plane when ur not listed in the passenger list is more difficult isn't it.
Clarke Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Mate.. i have concentrated on major things while posting here... for eg. hijackers not in the passenger list , black box beyond recovery but passport recovered amids the explosion and fire which burnt the steel above 1500 degree temp ,u wud be surprised if i post u the bush revelation on CNN what he did at school and how he saw the first plane hitting the 1st building on TV. BTW.. there were no video of 1 WTC building (as it was 1st surprise hit) the video was released next day by the news channels have not counted it here...if it was not on TV then how did Bush saw it on TV while in school ..(pretty cool isn't it) err .. they got the entire sequence of events right and and failed to get the list properly ? Some claim other belongings such as an airline mileage card of another passenger were also found. Did they plant that as well ? Were the lists u mention released by the airlines or the ones created by the media on the basis of phone calls from friends and relatives ? Either way, what about the airport videos showing the hijackers ? I have seen the Bush video which was much after the attacks had happened. It doesnt sound retrospective at all to anyone, considering how awful his english is ? And what exactly was the OBJECTIVE of all this ? Until how long are you gonna avoid the question ? Why is it that one who thinks 9/11 is not a conspiracy must answer every damn question posted while the conspiracy theorist shall get a free ride ? Events on 2611 is quite different from 911 ... People like Zaid Hamid have pointed out few things to show that it was all a preplanned etc.... Legitimate questions on 911 are asked by everyone Engineers , Architects , Scientist etcs.. but 2611 questions are only raised by Pak ... btw nobody cares abt them. Regarding terrorist traveling by boat .. it may be possible due to negligence by navy but getting but on the hineside getting on the plane when ur not listed in the passenger list is more difficult isn't it. 9/11 was a much much bigger & sophisticated event than 26/11 and it happened in USA of all places, hence the focus of everyone worth his two cents. FYI u cant expect the navy to seal every inch of the coastline, just like you cannot control every inch of the border between US/Mexico or India/Pakistan.
Clarke Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Its been 8+ yrs .. is that not long enough time to understand how ridiculous these theories are without any proper objective for America ? Its easier to pull up questions on every minute detail of the attacks by searching on conspiracy theorists online, and its even simpler to understand it was USA itself that had nothing to gain but lose a lot from these attacks. Welcome back to 2002 folks. yeah it does get annoying.
SRT PWNS Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 It doesn't matter how long it has been. Liberals will keep pedaling the same argument till their grave...
seedhi Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 There is zero difference in the mindset of the conspiracy theory mongers for 9/11 and those of 26/11, London bombings etc. Regarding 9/11 the theories based on imagined technical anomalies such as about the falling of the towers, the WTC building 7 or the Pentagon attack have all been thoroughly debunked here http://www.debunking911.com/ . As far as who planned the attacks - Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility some months after 9/11. Khalid Sheikh Mohammad has admitted as well. There is no govt in the world which would allow something like 9/11 to happen. And for what? If US wanted to invade Afghanistan it would have done it anyway.
EnterTheVoid Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Put aside the actual attacks for a sec and focus on America's action in the aftermath since 9 / 11 was a precursor for war. Liberate Iraq and bring it peace and democracy - What a crock of shyt. ****ing liars waged a war on faulty intelligence that killed a million people.
Clarke Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Put aside the actual attacks for a sec and focus on America's action in the aftermath since 9 / 11 was a precursor for war. Liberate Iraq and bring it peace and democracy - What a crock of shyt. ****ing liars waged a war on faulty intelligence that killed a million people. And who's exactly responsible for the deaths, whatever number they are ? Wasn't that a case of Iraqis killing Iraqis ? And for those who blame America for all evil, FYI The only reason middle east exists today is because of America. All of the developed world doesn't intervene simply because they know its a sh*t hole where Sunnis and Shiites don't get along, Israel and its neighbors do not get along at all, Yemen and Lebanon had civil wars, Libya & Egypt had a war, Saddam was a serious war monger, the list just goes on. The rest of the world must be actually thankful that America keeps a sort of calm in that area; as Neill Ferguson rightly said, its not a clash of civilizations, its a civilization of clashes. You might have seen nuclear wars there had it not been America's aggressive policy on non-proliferation. Some of the countries we know might have been nuclear ash-trays. Imagine the 1973 oil crisis multiplied by a factor of 10 over a vastly extended period of time; that was what we might have faced.
EnterTheVoid Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 And who's exactly responsible for the deaths' date=' whatever number they are ? Wasn't that a case of Iraqis killing Iraqis ?[/quote'] What legitimacy does America to have invaded Iraq in the first place ? Oh, to find and destroy the WMD's When there were no WMD's, what they still doing there ? Oh, to liberate Iraq of Saddam' tyranny and bring Iraq freedom and democracy. So whats the end result after 7 years ? No WMD's, no democracy, complete anarchy, a country on the verge of civil war if it isn't already neck deep in it. These are the hard facts. Sad but true.
King Tendulkar Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Events on 2611 is quite different from 911 ... People like Zaid Hamid have pointed out few things to show that it was all a preplanned etc....Legitimate questions on 911 are asked by everyone Engineers , Architects , Scientist etcs.. but 2611 questions are only raised by Pak ... btw nobody cares abt them. Regarding terrorist traveling by boat .. it may be possible due to negligence by navy but getting but on the hineside getting on the plane when ur not listed in the passenger list is more difficult isn't it. O dear. Now Zaid Hamid is being used as evidence by mhr. Welcome to the nut house
mhr123 Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 O dear. Now Zaid Hamid is being used as evidence by mhr. Welcome to the nut house i think u r drinking some cheap wine these days.... can u understand English , where did i use Hamid as an evidence and he is a a%%hole as ur . Well its not only me but many on this forum knows who is the real nut case..:giggle:
Clarke Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 What legitimacy does America to have invaded Iraq in the first place ? Oh, to find and destroy the WMD's When there were no WMD's, what they still doing there ? Oh, to liberate Iraq of Saddam' tyranny and bring Iraq freedom and democracy. So whats the end result after 7 years ? No WMD's, no democracy, complete anarchy, a country on the verge of civil war if it isn't already neck deep in it. These are the hard facts. Sad but true. Ofcourse, there was absolutely no legitimacy. To this day, i fail to understand the actual motive. The cost of the war has been far more than anyone thought. The oil contracts have been awarded all over the place. What you saw after Saddam's fall was the true nature of middle east. Saddam held things together with an iron fist, the moment he was gone all hell broke loose. One might see things get nastier once Iran gets a nuke and other countries follow up.
seedhi Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Events on 2611 is quite different from 911 ... People like Zaid Hamid have pointed out few things to show that it was all a preplanned etc.... Legitimate questions on 911 are asked by everyone Engineers , Architects , Scientist etcs.. but 2611 questions are only raised by Pak ... btw nobody cares abt them.The same people who have championed the 9/11 conspiracy theories have also said that 26/11 was done by Mossad and RAW. Check out Alex Jones' radio show - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOyCG6zKRXA]YouTube- Alex Jones American Analyst Exposing Mumbai Attacks[/ame]These conspiracy nut cases are quoted by Zaid Hamid who also does believe, like you, that 9/11 was a conspiracy by CIA. As far as questions raised by the so called "scientists" - well they have been thoroughly answered here http://www.debunking911.com/ . I dont see any difference between those who propagate the 9/11 conspiracy theories and the pakistanis who believe the same about 26/11. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that, by and large, their motivations are essentially identical.
EnterTheVoid Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Suppose you don't question the attacks but question the response carried out in the aftermath as retribution to the attacks, done to avenge the attacks Does that make you a conspiracy nut ?
King Tendulkar Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Interesting that mhr in this thread has used Charlie Sheen and Zaid Hamid as evidence witnesses. Whose next to be brought forward for evidence? Britney Spears!
King Tendulkar Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Suppose you don't question the attacks but question the response carried out in the aftermath as retribution to the attacks, done to avenge the attacks Does that make you a conspiracy nut ? Questioning the idoitic responses by Bush and USA after the attacks is perfectly legitimate. I myself earlier in the thread have stated the incorrect and strategically wrong war in Iraq. But to question 9/11 and claim that the USA or Jews did it, in some wild internet conspiracy theory is madness and the stuff of fairy tales. And frankly anyone who seriously believes it should be consigned to the nut house and banned from accessing the internet before they come up with other bizzare theories on worlde events. Or they are from a certain comminity who live in denial or are downright liars in order to protect the repuation of their community!
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