Iran's Ahmadinejad: Sept. 11 attacks a 'big lie'

[achilles]

Partly this thread is funny. But seriously, STOP FIGHTING FELLA'S. Take a chil pill :icflove:

[EnterTheVoid]

Questioning the idoitic responses by Bush and USA after the attacks is perfectly legitimate. I myself earlier in the thread have stated the incorrect and strategically wrong war in Iraq. But to question 9/11 and claim that the USA or Jews did it, in some wild internet conspiracy theory is madness and the stuff of fairy tales. And frankly anyone who seriously believes it should be consigned to the nut house and banned from accessing the internet before they come up with other bizzare theories on worlde events. Or they are from a certain comminity who live in denial or are downright liars in order to protect the repuation of their community!

I am not going that far.

[EnterTheVoid]

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[mhr123]

There is no govt in the world which would allow something like 9/11 to happen. And for what? If US wanted to invade Afghanistan it would have done it anyway.

People would argue that America has been known to concoct false flag operations in the past. Operation Northwoods, is a very good for example . CIA operatives to commit acts of terrorism and hijack planes so that Cuba would get the blame as a prelude to war. I Quote from wikipedia..

"The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington." Operation Northwoods included proposals for hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate a foreign government. The plan stated:

"The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."

A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces. a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):

1. Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio. 2. Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base. 3. Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base. 4. Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).[13] 5. Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires. 6. Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage). 7. Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations. 8. Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City. 9. Capture militia group which storms the base. 10. Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires—napthalene. 11. Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be in lieu of (10)).

A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms: a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods Btw: The plan was ultimately rejected by President John F. Kennedy. So these things have been always a part of CIA agenda and certainly "The Project for the New American Century (PNAC)" was an American agenda.The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership." Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War. In September 2000, the PNAC published a controversial 90-page report entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century. The report, which lists as Project Chairmen Donald Kagan and Gary Schmitt and as Principal Author Thomas Donnelly, quotes from the PNAC's June 1997 "Statement of Principles" and proceeds "from the belief that America should seek to preserve and extend its position of global leadership by maintaining the preeminence of U.S. military forces." ESTABLISH FOUR CORE MISSIONS for the U.S. military: * defend the American homeland; * fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars; * perform the “constabulary” duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions; * transform U.S. forces to exploit the “revolution in military affairs”; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

[mhr123]

I have seen the Bush video which was much after the attacks had happened. It doesnt sound retrospective at all to anyone, considering how awful his english is ?

I was talking about this Video .. [ame=

Bush Caught Lying About September 11th[/ame] Even if we take it for granted that his English is awful , still the way he described the attack as he saw on the screen was simply a lie . The fact is there were no videos from any of the news channel of 1st plane hitting the WTC as no one was present during that time to shoot the video, only when they got the info of the 1st plane hitting they all were to there to capture the news when suddenly the 2nd plane hit the tower. The video of the 1st plane hitting the tower were accidentally shot by the French Film Maker Norde brothers who were in NY , doing a documentary on" NY City fire fighter" . On only know clip of 1st Tower attack was filmed by them and it was only next day i.e. 12th Sept these footage were telecasted by all the news channels. So now the Q is ... where did GW bush saw the 1st plane hitting the tower before he entered the class room.

[Clarke]

^^ Come on, the video's like 3 months after the incident. Everyone knew what happened by then .. in the news it must have been suggested that a plane crashed into the tower and thats what he saw, the news itself. Its hard to believe conspiracy theorists suggesting that Bush had a live feed for himself to follow his master plan. By this theory, what do you make of Obama with the following gaffe: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws]YouTube- Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States[/ame] Is he referring to the 57 members of the Organization of Islamic Conference, given that he was born a muslim outside USA and has ties with terrorists such as Bill Ayers :cantstop:

[seedhi]

People would argue that America has been known to concoct false flag operations in the past. Operation Northwoods, is a very good for example . CIA operatives to commit acts of terrorism and hijack planes so that Cuba would get the blame as a prelude to war. I Quote from wikipedia.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods Btw: The plan was ultimately rejected by President John F. Kennedy. So these things have been always a part of CIA agenda and certainly "The Project for the New American Century (PNAC)" was an American agenda.The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership." Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War. In September 2000, the PNAC published a controversial 90-page report entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century. The report, which lists as Project Chairmen Donald Kagan and Gary Schmitt and as Principal Author Thomas Donnelly, quotes from the PNAC's June 1997 "Statement of Principles" and proceeds "from the belief that America should seek to preserve and extend its position of global leadership by maintaining the preeminence of U.S. military forces." ESTABLISH FOUR CORE MISSIONS for the U.S. military: * defend the American homeland; * fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars; * perform the “constabulary†duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions; * transform U.S. forces to exploit the “revolution in military affairsâ€; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

There is a significant difference between an obscure operation Northwoods which was never implemented and staging the 9/11 attacks. Fact of the matter is that the world trade center was a prime target for the terrorists - it was already once attacked in 1993 by Islamic terrorists. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that 9/11 was an inside job in any way. The Al Qaeda has admitted it planned it. There are people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammad who have admitted their role. The 20th hijacker has been convicted for it in a US court. Ahmedinejad is the perfect representative for the people who still believe in conspiracy theories, although he has tough competition from Zaid Hamid.

[dial_100]

While it is impossible to collect all the facts about a massive attack like 9/11, govt could have possibly made up some evidences like documents etc. But otherwise, all other non-sense theories aren't new. I watched that move about 9/11. They have gathered all the descripancies of government's version of what happened there and making it look like Americans or rather bush did it. Give the concrete proofs. Not "how could a terrorist fly plane 20 feet above the ground for 500 meters?" kinda crap. He did. Until solid evidence supporting the conspiracy surfaces, nobody is going to believe Muslims. The towers were clearly hit by the plane. The large sound of explossion were nothing but the very large BOLTS breaking out because of the collapsing columns...OMG...I can believe they suspected that Bush planted bombs to blow those buildings up.? Having said that, WTC #7 is definitely a strange. But it didnot kill anyone.. and afterall other than the way it fell, we do not have anything concrete to conclude anything... And if anyone has problem americans kicking some #sses in Iraq, Afg or Pak. Then go fight with them from the front. If you dont have guts to do that then just shut up. We know the ancestors of terrorist and what they did in the world for many centuries when they were powerful. Its a pay back time. No one wants to give up. So this fight of West vs Muslims.