Is IPL hurting Indian cricket?

[mishra]

This board is filled with anti India trolls. It not Indiancricket fans forum? the very result in most of the polls show it

[Chandan]

This board is filled with anti India trolls. It not Indiancricket fans forum? the very result in most of the polls show it

Don't know what you mean by this. But this year, once again IPL has hit Indian cricket right below the belt. 1. Sehwag is out of WI tour and could be out of England tour too. 2. Gambhir is injured 3. Unconfirmed reports are that Sachin is struggling with his shoulder as well and might have to pay a visit to Germany for treatment. 4. Zaheer is playing through pain as well. So that is 4 main players struggling because of IPL and their performance might suffer in the coming test series against WI and England where they could be jaded whereas the opposition will be refreshed after a break of two months. Is it hurting us or not even in the short term? Nobody has any answers for the long term harm that it is doing.

[IKnowU]

Don't know what you mean by this. But this year, once again IPL has hit Indian cricket right below the belt. 1. Sehwag is out of WI tour and could be out of England tour too. 2. Gambhir is injured 3. Unconfirmed reports are that Sachin is struggling with his shoulder as well and might have to pay a visit to Germany for treatment. 4. Zaheer is playing through pain as well. So that is 4 main players struggling because of IPL and their performance might suffer in the coming test series against WI and England where they could be jaded whereas the opposition will be refreshed after a break of two months. Is it hurting us or not even in the short term? Nobody has any answers for the long term harm that it is doing.

Sehwag and Zaheer always had those chronic injuries. Dont put it on IPL. They never managed themselves properly and let their bodies heal fully. Sachin is wise enough to know what to do and what not. Gambhir is the only "injury" that occurred through IPL You dont see players from other countries falling like flies during IPL. Why is it somehow only the Indian players?

[fineleg]

Hopefully at least a percentage of the Junta celebrating wildly in IPL phorums will stop and pause to read this Chandan. Maddening nonsense this I.Poo.L :mad: IKnowU - even if they had injury before, they can use the period for rest and rehabilitation. Instead its getting worse (the injury). The absence of key players or their presence playing through pain in Intl series/B] will hurt Indian team badly. Maybe some of these wild party goers will wake up then? Is that wishful thinking?

[saneindian]

Don't know what you mean by this. But this year, once again IPL has hit Indian cricket right below the belt. 1. Sehwag is out of WI tour and could be out of England tour too. 2. Gambhir is injured 3. Unconfirmed reports are that Sachin is struggling with his shoulder as well and might have to pay a visit to Germany for treatment. 4. Zaheer is playing through pain as well. So that is 4 main players struggling because of IPL and their performance might suffer in the coming test series against WI and England where they could be jaded whereas the opposition will be refreshed after a break of two months. Is it hurting us or not even in the short term? Nobody has any answers for the long term harm that it is doing.

Sehwag had the injury before he played the IPL. Gambhir also has had this injury previously and did not play many a series in the last 1 year because of the same problem. Sachin's injury is also something that has affected him in the past and he has played through pain while playing for India as well. Zaheer also has had a history of injury problem. So all these injuries are on field injuries suffered while playing the game. It can happen anywhere, be in a net session before a India game, while playing for India, playing for their state or playin any other cricket match. So why are you singling out IPL for that? These players gave it their all for the county to take us to no 1 in tests and made us the WC champions. Now if they want to earn some good money quickly for lesser amount of work, wonder why we are whining about it. Each of us, if presented an opportunity like that, will do exactly the same as what these players have done. Ask an Iqbal Abdullah (son of a train driver), Shahbaz Nadeem (son of a motor mechanic), Manoj Tiwary (Son of a 4th grade railway employee), Kamran Khan, Gomez, Parmeshwaran, Sohal etc what IPL means to them and the future of their families. Let's not get too judgmental about it. These senior players know what works best for them. Each of them have played through pain and performed for the country multiple times for well over 10-12 years. The least that they deserve from us is respect and not to question their commitment towards the national side.

[Chandan]

Saneindian, You are fooling yourself if you think after 21 year of cricket and money a Sachin would like to put his career on risk just to earn a million dollar more. Same goes for Sehwag, Gambhir and other established Indian players too. Dhoni had said 4 years back that now they don't need to play for money as they have enough money to feed 7 generations for free. And IPL had not even started then. I don't exactly know what compulsion the players have to play IPL. Perhaps they HAVE to play it because they are under BCCI contract and IPL is BCCI's flafship event. And it is no secret that no one would turn up to watch the matches if these players won't participate. And these players are certainly forced to play. They could have easily rested for two months to get rid of niggles, instead of aggravating it, get the surgery done instead of making the injury worse and then going for it and hence putting two important tours in jeopardy; same with Gambhir and Zaheer too. And please do not live in denial. Read the thread. If you think otherwise, please answer the points raised by people who think IPL is hurting Indian cricket and how.

[Sooda]

^Maybe Chandan, youre giving the players a bit too much credit here. Perhaps they are simply greedy and do want the money? (In Sachins case, he can sit out ODIs if he chooses to anyway) Money talks as they say. As fans of the Indian side we want them to be at their fittest when they turn up for India, but in a way who can blame them. It is very easy money and I imagine it is hard to turn down that lure as SaneI says.

[asterix]

I didn't at all followed the Pak-WI crapfest in the name of Test cricket..I found IPL more entertaining than all the Test cricket crap which goes (Aus-Bangladesh, all series involving Pak, WI, NZ and even SL).

[IKnowU]

too much lahori logic being used to bash IPL. At end of the day its cricket. If you play you have a chance of getting injured

[Sooda]

Entertaining maybe yes (Wi vs Pak is not exactly high class test cricket... but it was entertaining enough- two results, some good performances with both bat and ball...the Sl vs Eng series and of course Indias tour will be very good...), and what about the quality and standard..?? Look at players doing well in the IPL, batters in particular. You think Valthaty could turn out for either WI or Pak in the last series and score runs? Even Gayle has an average of sub 40 in tests I think??

[someone]

Very odd arguments used. First it seems very bad to see an Indian thinking IPL is hurting India. If some other country had something like IPL, we would have been saying we need one also. Many people are jealous, just ask our parosis, yet there are some here as indians who want the same thing. And more importantly, as a fan, our only research is based on cause and effect, eg: Dhoni won toss and bowled and lost so our conclusion is that the toss was the cause for the effect of loss. That logic when used in IPL only gives positive results as no wonder since IPL started, Indian team has only moved upwards. The reasons are many, more practice, more quality, more exposure, better backup players, more motivation. IPL is definitely a reason for our recent success like it or not.

[mishra]

Entertaining maybe yes (Wi vs Pak is not exactly hioh class test cricket..the Sl vs Eng series and of course Indias tour will be very good...)' date=' and what about the quality and standard..?? Look at players doing well in the IPL, batters in particular. You think Valthaty could turn out for either WI or Pak and score runs? Even Gayle has an average of sub 40 in tests I think??[/quote'] Valthaty is way better than taufeeq or Asad Safiq. He isnt playing for India for one simple reason. We got better batsmen. Probably Misbah is only decent batsman playing that series. Best players from WI are playing IPL,For rest of WI team. If they were Valthaty's level they would be playing IPL.

[Raghav_12]

Forced To ? Are you sure ? Oh yes' date=' if they choose not to play BCCI will not pick them for the Indian team, right. Things they have to do their country.[/quote'] Forced may be strong word and I have no doubt that they'll antagonize BCCI if they decide to skip IPL. See, IPL is brand that BCCI is trying to build and if star Indian players like Sachin, Dhoni, Zaheer, Sehwag decide not to play IPL, it will seriously jeopardize growth of IPL brand. Just consider yourself, how many of us would have been watching IPL, had none of WC winning team player played in this years IPL? BCCI has more to lose than (star) players if star players stay away from IPL. And this kind of pressure is not limited to BCCI. Last year M Hussey accused CA of forcing him to play CL instead of preparing for Indian tour, where he eventually failed badly. It was same reasoning there. CA has partial ownership in Champions League and it would not allow anything which undermines importance of CL. So CA wouldn't have liked that a player of stature like M Hussey stays away for CL. It is a misconception that big cricketers themselves are very keen to play IPL. BCCI would put pressure on them to play - directly or indirectly. PS - I haven't voted on poll as I am not sure myself on the effect that IPL is having on indian cricket. Some aspetcs are good while some are negative.

[Chandan]

^Maybe Chandan, youre giving the players a bit too much credit here. Perhaps they are simply greedy and do want the money? (In Sachins case, he can sit out ODIs if he chooses to anyway) Money talks as they say. As fans of the Indian side we want them to be at their fittest when they turn up for India, but in a way who can blame them. It is very easy money and I imagine it is hard to turn down that lure as SaneI says.

No way Sooda. I'm 200% sure that money has absolutely nothing to do with Indian players participation in IPL. I'm not sure what is the compulsion exactly, hence can't or don't want to speclulate unnecessarily. I'm sure, some jouralist will tell us, at least even unofficially about the reason someday.

You wont to get rid of IPL for sake of what. Watching a game played between Ireland and Pakistan? Ora a game between WI and India. Get real IPL is way more competitive than international cricket. Injuries do reflect that. Ahh now you will come with argument that test cricket is only real cricket. Fans will still choose IPL over WI pakistan game. Not only fans, players all around have made their choice. Its a case of Bopara and Morgan. who you think is right? You can watch him. I am no big fan of BCCI. That doesnt mean i would oppose everything they do. Mind you they are ahaead of other boards for some reason

too much lahori logic being used to bash IPL. At end of the day its cricket. If you play you have a chance of getting injured

Very odd arguments used. First it seems very bad to see an Indian thinking IPL is hurting India. If some other country had something like IPL, we would have been saying we need one also. Many people are jealous, just ask our parosis, yet there are some here as indians who want the same thing. And more importantly, as a fan, our only research is based on cause and effect, eg: Dhoni won toss and bowled and lost so our conclusion is that the toss was the cause for the effect of loss. That logic when used in IPL only gives positive results as no wonder since IPL started, Indian team has only moved upwards. The reasons are many, more practice, more quality, more exposure, better backup players, more motivation. IPL is definitely a reason for our recent success like it or not.

Ok Mishra, Iknowu and someone, Since you guys are too lazy enough to read the thread and then answer the questions, Just go through following posts and answer the questions/concerns raised in the following posts. Hope at least you guys can read this much!

Problem is when we won't produce cricketers. Ranji, Deodhar and such domestic tournaments are the ones which bring up new players. And cricket is so dear to Indians because of India's exploits and duels at the international level. And this is where IPL is hurting Indian cricket. Now India won't get to play a single practice match before T20 WC because of IPL. Will this not hurt India's prospects of winning the tournament? If you think otherwise, please answer the questions raised in the following quote:

[Sachin=GOD]

@Chandan :hatsoff:

[Cricket Tragic]

Don't know what you mean by this. But this year, once again IPL has hit Indian cricket right below the belt. 1. Sehwag is out of WI tour and could be out of England tour too. 2. Gambhir is injured 3. Unconfirmed reports are that Sachin is struggling with his shoulder as well and might have to pay a visit to Germany for treatment. 4. Zaheer is playing through pain as well. So that is 4 main players struggling because of IPL and their performance might suffer in the coming test series against WI and England where they could be jaded whereas the opposition will be refreshed after a break of two months. Is it hurting us or not even in the short term? Nobody has any answers for the long term harm that it is doing.

:omg: Really?

[Sachin=GOD]

:omg: Really?

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=266381 :(( Sehwag, Gambhir and maybe also Goddy.............Long live the Tontee Tontee Tamasha Just praying that it doesn't claim any more victims in the remaining 3 matches.

[Karan114]

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=266381 :(( Sehwag, Gambhir and maybe also Goddy.............Long live the Tontee Tontee Tamasha Just praying that it doesn't claim any more victims in the remaining 3 matches.

:((

[Sachin=GOD]

IPL is hurting Indian cricket badly but sadly it seems that with the amount of success it has achieved in such a short time it is here to stay. Also, despite the cramped International schedule and injury concerns etc, it looks as if there is no way that India's big cricketers (the likes of Goddy, Dhoni, Yuvi, Sehwag, Zak, Bhajji etc) will either themselves skip IPL or will be allowed to do so by BCCI/Team owners so the only possible way forward to me seems to be a limit on the number of matches players can play per season in IPL - they can limit it at something like 8-10 matches per season so as to give at least some much needed rest to the players.

[yoda]

It has been 4 years since IPL began. We have won the ODI WC, are number 1 in tests and still people claim it "affects" Indian cricket. LOL! And a bigger LOL at those who claim players don't participate in the IPL voluntarily. Look at a guy like Ganguly. No one wanted him, yet he wanted to play sooo badly in the IPL and he has been there and done it all in international cricket. Players love the IPL, be it for the money or the fun or whatever. If a guy like Tendulkar can give up on international T20, he sure can tell the BCCI/Ambanis to heck with the IPL if he wanted to. Ofc, ANY extra cricket is going to expose players to injury. By that logic, one could say ODIs hurt test cricket, test cricket hurts ODIs. etc.