Cricinfo's All Time Pakistan XI : No current players in Pakistan all-time XI

[SJS50]

My twelve. . .

1. Hanif Mohammad
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Javed Miandad
5. Inzamam ul Haq
6. Mushtaq Mohammad
7. Imran Khan
8. Wasim Bari
9. Wasim Akram
10. Abdul Qadir
11. Waqar Younis
12. Fazal Mehmood

[OriginalCopy]

Pretty good lineup. I almost agree with you with one exception, Mohammad Yousuf in place of Mushtaq Mohammad: My twelve. . . Hanif Mohammad Saeed Anwar Zaheer Abbas Mohammad Yousuf Javed Miandad Inzamam ul Haq Imran Khan Wasim Bari Wasim Akram Abdul Qadir Waqar Younis Fazal Mehmood

[S.Bond]

The openers are going to be Hanif Mohammed and Saeed Anwar... The big question in this squad will be Imran at 6 or at 7? So that mean play 3 or 4 specialist bowlers + imran.... And the second question will be if 4 bowlers + imran then in the 4 bowlers : 3fast + 1 spinner or 2 fast and 2 spinners??? My team : Hanif Mohammed Saeed Anwar Javed Miandad Inzamam ul Haq Mohammad yousuf/Zaheer Abbas Imran Khan © Wasim Bari (wk) Wasim Akram Abdul Qadir Waqar Younis Saqlain Mushtaq (/ Shoaib Akhtar / Fazal Mehmood.) I think it's a pretty good team... Can bat and espcially can bowl very very well... On any kind of surface due to it's 3 fast 2 spinners combination....

[SJS50]

It is good but slightly short on batting. Thats why instead of five pure bowlers I have no Saqlain (from your team) and a batting all rounder in Mushtaq. When you have such a fabulous line up of bowlers in Imran Wasim, Waqar and Qadir, four are always going to be enough. It is very very rare for teams with four bowlers of such a caliber to do badly as a bowling unit.

[Shane]

Did Mehboob dominate his peers in giving bad umpiring decisions? I thought Shakoor did. :winky:

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[bhajji]

yeah i too think that pakistan empires are most biased,but still australinas rank far better then them..another shocking thing i found was Aamer Sohail at top ranking.

[SJS50]

It is good but slightly short on batting. Thats why instead of five pure bowlers I have no Saqlain (from your team) and a batting all rounder in Mushtaq. When you have such a fabulous line up of bowlers in Imran Wasim, Waqar and Qadir, four are always going to be enough. It is very very rare for teams with four bowlers of such a caliber to do badly as a bowling unit.

A highly under-rated Pakistani player is former captain Asif Iqbal. I could also have him in place of Mushtaq.

[zen]

Two of the wickets were definate not outs, you can watch it a million times if you like, in fact let me get a link of the hat trick.

Now the first wicket is out, clearly plumb in front. The second was not out, it pitched a long way outside leg stump, so bad decision 1. Bad decision 2 was when the third umpire gave Warne out, in real time he only viewed one angle which didn't show anything as the fielder was restricting the view. So the third umpire gave a decision without actually looking at the footage properly, one restricted angle is NOT enough to give anyone out. I've seen some shockers in my time and I've seen teams suffer because of bad umpiring, but here is a case of an Indian umpire succumbing to the pressure of the crowd volume at eden gardens.

Your analysis is no better than Pakistani umpiring :P oh, #2 pitched a loooong way outside the leg stumps *rolleyes* on Warne's catch, you probably don't even know what rules were in place then. If I remember correctly, at that time the 3rd umpire could only make a judgment on whether the catch was taken cleanly. So if its referred and if the catch is taken cleanly its out Also you have to make your judgment based on watching that in real time and for the first time. Not based on tons of slow-mo Anyways, this isn't about whether others are clean but how Pak used to cheat blatantly. No amount of 'they did it too', along with 'everyone does that' (common Pak arguments to alleviate their bad deeds) is going to take the fact away that umpiring in Pak was probably the worst and most blatant

[zen]

Btw, Ind did get to face Imran, Wasim and Waqar on Ind tour to Pak in 1989. Waqar was new and Imran wasn't probably at its best but still we did well to draw the series against that all-time Pak pace bowling attack!

[swami1984]

Regarding Glichrist -- If that was a long way outside leg stump -- some of the decisions that Asoka De Silva had given against India -- you should say were pitched OUSIDE the Stadium and some of those decisions that Bucknor had given against SRT (which you guys ridicule), not sure what would you say about that BUT I will say this Gilchrist was not out -- because --it probably and (probably ONLY) that he might have hit it. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. Both ways --it was very close for somebody to make a good call. Even a Not Out was just as acceptable. BTW there was no debate about these decisions that you are talking about anywhere. I have heard some Whiny Aussies complain about McGrath given out wrongly but Warne and Gilchrist -- you are the 1st one complaning. Coming back to Warne -- If you can show CONCLUSIVELY AT ANY VIDEO where the ball touched the Ground -- I will hand over my head to you in a platter. in fact a Not Out would have raised a lot more questions considering that No Video shows ball touching the ground. It is funny that you yourself say that there was no proper angle to make a conclusive decison, but you want Warne to be given NOt Out just because of that ?? How did you decide that? Either way -- the point is these were so close -- I am aghast you are even debating them.

If its close, benefit to batsman - Gillys wasn;t close dude

[riya]

Btw' date=' Ind did get to face Imran, Wasim and Waqar on Ind tour to Pak in 1989. Waqar was new and Imran wasn't probably at its best but still we did well to draw the series against that all-time Pak pace bowling attack![/quote'] Thanks to neutral umpires.If those were Pak umpires i can't see Manjerekar scoring double hundred.

[Sachinism]

Cricinfo's middle order shortlist The engine room of Pakistan's batting has forever been the middle order. Good openers have come, even a couple of greats, but the real stories have been written by those who come in once the openers have gone. Over the years, memories are brightest of the great triumvirates or quartets that have formed the belly of the line-up: Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Asif Iqbal, Mushtaq Mohammad through the 70s; Younis Khan, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Mohammad Yousuf through the 2000s. How spoilt Pakistan is for choice here shows in that nine names suggest themselves automatically, and probably others will add a couple more at least. Wasim Raja and Ijaz Ahmed, for example, despite their outstanding records against the leading pace attacks of their time (West Indies and Australia respectively) might have made it in some other lists. The other dilemma is how many to have, of course. Should there be four specialist batsmen in the middle order, to shore up what is Pakistan's weaker suit? Or does the guaranteed presence of one of the world's greatest allrounders soften that need? And one of the beauties of middle-order batsmen here has been there flexibility: barring a couple of names, most of the nominees have played at several positions in the middle order, with success. Ensuring the right order is critical to Test match success and that makes this selection trickier still, and one that will likely be most open to debate. The contenders Zaheer Abbas Not for nothing was he called the Asian Bradman. Abbas had a monstrous appetite for big runs; four of his 12 Test tons were doubles, and he is the only Asian batsman to hit 100 first-class hundreds. He was beautiful to watch too. Javed Miandad Few would disagree that Miandad is Pakistan's greatest batsman. He was a free-spirited, full-stroked attacker when he began but became such a calculating mastermind thereafter that nobody minded. His Test average never fell below 50, from day one to the end, and he remains the highest Test run-getter for Pakistan. The nurdles and nudges, his presence at the crease, and an incredible brain, which made batting a form of sledging - no match was ever lost while Miandad was at the crease. Mohammad Yousuf A direct descendent of Abbas in more ways than are immediately apparent. Like Abbas, he is fond of scoring big, and like Abbas, his range of strokes is as vast as it is elegant, constructed from a high back-lift, quick hands, stillness and lazy feet. In 2006 he was, without doubt, the best batsman in the world, during a record-breaking year. But for many eyes his batting was never as beautiful and productive as during a bewitching Melbourne Boxing Day hundred in 2004-05 against two of the greatest bowlers the game has seen. Inzamam-ul-Haq Not much separates the standings of Miandad and Inzamam at the very top of Pakistani batting. Like Miandad, Inzamam was a pure match-winner, often at his best with his side at its worst; but with many more strokes than Miandad. The best Inzamam innings are the ones he led Pakistan to a win in, and there are plenty. His bulky frame brought power, but a sharper mind than always apparent also allowed a surprising dexterity of touch. Saleem Malik Though tainted, the wristy and ever versatile Malik was one of the finest batsmen this country produced, much more than the flat-track bully Imran Khan accused him of being. Three technical masterpieces in Headingley in 1987 and 1992 - when Headingley was still Headingley - should have told Imran as much. His mastery of Shane Warne in 1994, when he became the first man to really dominate Warne, should have convinced his other detractors. Mushtaq Mohammad A cheeky, innovative and aggressive batsman, Mushtaq was not as gifted as a couple of his brothers, but his personality and will saw him through to greater success. In a long career he ended with a batting average just under 40 - a proper benchmark in those days - and was, till the end, a fine lower-order organiser. His batting and captaincy were instrumental in Pakistan's rise in the mid-70s, and he wasn't a bad legspinner either. Younis Khan Pakistan's gutsiest batsman currently, Younis, after a shaky start, has become one of Pakistan's best one-downs (some achievement, given the openers he has had). Though he can be technically awkward, he is solid, and his fearlessness makes up for the rest. On tougher wickets around the world, he is probably Pakistan's most well-equipped batsman, with a range of shots not entirely orthodox but not entirely unorthodox either. Asif Iqbal A dashing rescuer of hopeless causes, Iqbal epitomised much of Pakistan's punch through the 70s. It took a legendary 146 at The Oval - made from No. 9 - to convince others he was a batsman first. Alongside Mushtaq, he ensured the lower middle order was not only robust but fairly enterprising; he revolutionised the role of running between the wickets. Saeed Ahmed Pakistan's first No. 3 of genuine quality, Saeed scored over 500 runs in his debut Test series in the Caribbean. He was a particularly fluent driver in the "v", and when he got in, big scores were on the cards. Three of his five hundreds are 150-plus and to end with an average of over 40 in the time he played is to suggest considerable ability and success.

[Asim]

Zaheer Abbas Javed Miandad Inzamam-ul-Haq (+Yousuf, if any chances of 4)

[ritadhi]

Second Asim's line-up. Zaheer is a little iffy at number 3: he has 5 centuries there but is also wont to failure and has a better record at 5. Wish Pakistan played some more cricket in the last couple of years and there could have been a better comparison between Younis Khan and Zaheer Abbas. Younis is nowhere near Zaheer stylistically but is probably a notch above for grit and fearlessness.

[Feed]

Cricinfo's All Time Pakistan XI : No current players in Pakistan all-time XI And so finally, 10 men, six categories and 198 Test players come together to produce one all-time Pakistan XI. More... All-time XI: Pakistan No current players in Pakistan all-time XI Cricinfo staff May 24, 2010 Three fast bowlers have been picked unanimously in Cricinfo's all-time Pakistan Test XI. Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Imran Khan each received 10 votes from a jury that included Ramiz Raja and Intikhab Alam among others. The only other unanimous selection was Javed Miandad, in the middle order. No current Pakistani player makes it to the side - unlike in five of the six all-time XIs named by Cricinfo so far. The most recent retiree was Inzamam-ul-Haq, who is at No. 5 in the order, with nine votes. Mohammad Yousuf, who received four votes, and Shoaib Akhtar (one) were among those who didn't make the cut. Historically fast bowling has been Pakistan's strength, and it is a sign of how highly the fearsome and influential spearheads of the side's 1990s attack were rated that both were picked unanimously. While the two Ws made the XI purely as bowlers, Imran also serves as the side's allrounder. There was no consensus over the third quick bowler, though: Fazal Mahmood, who received three votes, edged out Sarfraz Nawaz and Shoaib Akhtar. Wasim Bari and Rashid Latif were tied with four votes each for the wicketkeeper's place. Latif was picked for his superior batting. The jury opted for an opening combination that would provide a mix of strokeplay and stoic defence: Saeed Anwar (six votes), who attacked no matter what the format or situation, and Hanif Mohammad (nine), who gave up his naturally aggressive style and dug in for several marathon innings to complement the stroke-making of his team-mates. At one-down is Zaheer Abbas (six), the only Asian batsman to make over 100 first-class hundreds. Only two members of the jury did not pick Abdul Qadir, who revolutionised legspin in the 80s and paved the way for the likes of Shane Warne and Anil Kumble, as the team's lone slow bowler. Qadir also made it to the readers' XI, getting more than half the votes polled in the spin category, comfortably ahead of Saqlain Mushtaq. Latif narrowly missed getting the gloves in the readers' XI, losing out to Bari. The readers preferred Shoaib as the third fast bowler over Fazal. All their other choices matched those of the jury. The jury included Salahuddin Mulla, who played Test cricket for Pakistan in the 1960s, cricket writers Qamar Ahmed (who also played first-class cricket and coached Netherlands) and Kamran Abbasi, and former administrators Shaharyar Khan, Arif Abbasi and Chishty Mujahid. The XI A batsman's nightmare With a bowling line-up in which Imran Khan is an afterthought, Pakistan's all-time team looks well-nigh invincible Osman Samiuddin And so finally, 10 men, six categories and 198 Test players come together to produce one all-time Pakistan XI. It wasn't, on final balance, as difficult a task as it may have initially appeared. As many as four players were unanimous picks: Imran Khan, Javed Miandad, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis would in all likelihood be among the top contenders on any such global list. Two more batting greats, Hanif Mohammad and Inzamam-ul-Haq, were near-unanimous selections, with nine votes each. And with Abdul Qadir picking up eight votes as the sole spinner, it means as many as seven of an all-time Pakistan XI pick themselves. Pleasingly perhaps, the XI takes in players from all eras, recognition of the prolific ability of the land to keep producing talent no matter the circumstances of the time and era: Hanif Mohammad and Fazal Mahmood from the 50s and 60s, Zaheer Abbas, Miandad, Imran and Qadir from the 70s through to the early 90s, and the rest from the mid-80s onwards. Tellingly, given how Pakistan have fared this last decade, the latest Test debutant is Rashid Latif (1992). The choice of Latif, in fact, wasn't a straightforward one; his greater batting ability tips the scales in his favour. Finally, a word about the shape of the line-up. Pakistan have been at their best when they have played attacking, aggressive cricket, Almost exclusively, that has come from the nature of their bowling attack, which is why the all-time XI has a four-man bowling attack and Imran Khan. Some might argue that another specialist middle-order batsman should have been in the line-up, but the selection assumes picking players at the peak of their skills. So Imran's naturally solid technique provides a robust enough presence at six, around which the line-up pivots. Latif and Akram below him add up to almost another batsman. That leaves the bowling attack to be as spectacular as any that can be conceived. Just imagine a four-man fast-bowling attack of the variety, skill and pace of this one: Imran, Fazal, Wasim and Waqar. With Qadir backing up, there is enough wicket-taking threat here to trouble any batting side, on any surface, from any era. The XI Saeed Anwar "He used an eclectic approach to batting - classical betrothed to unorthodox, footwork against spin as quick as a hiccup, and wrists supple yet powerful to brush the field like a Picasso." Ramiz Raja Hanif Mohammad "Hanif bestrode the cricket world like a Colossus of Rhodes. His patience was monumental, his judgement unique; fearless of his opponents, he shared his respect for them, both in victory and defeat. In common with many great sporting figures of the 20th century, his legend continues to grow with time." Khadim Baloch Zaheer Abbas "Zaheer Abbas's consistency both at first-class level and in Tests was phenomenal. Where his contemporaries struggled he remained calm and calculating, displaying his technique against great spinners of time; and not a bad player of fast bowling." Qamar Ahmed Javed Miandad "He was positive and aggressive in his approach, and the tougher the situation the more he seemed to revel in the challenge. His enthusiasm was extremely infectious, which made him one of the best team men I have ever had the pleasure to play with or against." Tony Greig Inzamam-ul-Haq "Inzamam was colossal in frame, ability, and attitude. He could play strokes all around the wicket with brute strength or exquisite subtlety. But what made Inzi great was his determination to stand firm as his illustrious colleagues collapsed around him. He was the rock that broke the onslaught of Pakistan's opponents. A few last stands would have been remarkable. To do it for over a decade was genius." Kamran Abbasi Imran Khan Imran combined thoughtfulness with a natural ability which had always been outstanding. What brought about this transformation, as Imran readily admits, was his appointment to the captaincy of Pakistan. This sense of responsibility turned a fine cavalier into a great cricketer. Wisden Cricketers' Almanack Rashid Latif "Few wicketkeepers in Pakistan have been as athletic and yet as unobtrusive as Latif. A dive in front of first slip was often accomplished with the same ease of a regular, standing take and to spin, he was outstanding and swift. His errors are difficult to remember. His batting, combative and elegant, was vastly underrated." Osman Samiuddin Wasim Akram "If I ever get a chance to be reborn as a cricketer, I would want to be Wasim Akram." Allan Border Fazal Mahmood "Fazal Mahmood was a great human being, always willing to help anyone who sought his advice. He was the doyen of Pakistan bowlers in the formative years and all our wins since we started playing Test cricket were indebted to him. It was just because of his bowling feats that Pakistan achieved the rare honour of beating every country in our early series in the 1950s and 60s." Hanif Mohammad. Abdul Qadir "In the pantheon of wrist-spinners he [Qadir] surely ranks near the very top. Facing him or Warne at their best must have been as severe a test of a batsman's nerve and capacity as any slow bowler has ever represented. But unlike Warne, Qadir was always on the attack. He knew no other way... When it comes to deception, as in the way in which he disguised his googly and various legbreaks, not to mention his flipper, he was a real little sorcerer." John Woodcock Waqar Younis Beyond doubt Waqar is an outstanding bowler, probably the finest to emerge from Pakistan since Fazal Mahmood. This is a bowler of brilliance and élan, a bowler as entertaining in his way as any batsman, as enthralling as any spinner, a bowler who could become, as Imran predicted, the greatest of them all. Wisden Cricketers' Almanack The readers' XI: Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Javed Miandad, Imran Khan, Wasim Bari, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Abdul Qadir, Waqar Younis. The nominees Openers: Aamer Sohail, Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Majid Khan, Mudassar Nazar, Sadiq Mohammad, Mohsin Khan. Middle order: Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Mohammad Yousuf, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Saleem Malik, Mushtaq Mohammad, Younis Khan, Asif Iqbal, Saeed Ahmed. Allrounder: AH Kardar, Imran Khan, Intikhab Alam, Mushtaq Mohammad, Wasim Akram. Wicketkeepers: Wasim Bari, Imtiaz Ahmed, Rashid Latif, Moin Khan. Fast bowlers: Wasim Akram, Imran Khan, Waqar Younis, Fazal Mahmood, Sarfraz Nawaz, Shoaib Akhtar. Spinners: Abdul Qadir, Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed, Iqbal Qasim, Danish Kaneria.

[nballa]

Fazal Mahmood "Fazal Mahmood was a great human being"

You know a team's running out of talent with bat and ball when they give out all time XI places on the basis of being 'great human beings'

[suraj]

You know a team's running out of talent with bat and ball when they give out all time XI places on the basis of being 'great human beings'

:giggle::giggle: Tu kamaal hai bhai :hatsoff::hatsoff:

[Sooda]

:P ^ Fazal M was supposed to be very good bowler indeed. Almost played for India you know, was going to be selected for a pre-war tour but didnt work out- I think selectors thought him to young at the time. Went on to win matches for Pak ooverseas- against some top class England batting line ups for instance. No real surprises in that team aside from latif being keeper ahead of Bari maybe...

[DomainK]

more importantly will cricinfo restrict itself to players with clean records ... and leave out ball tamperers/biters' date=' pitch tamperers, chuckers, steriod junkies, charsis, match fixers ? (phew have I covered everything there ... Iam sure I have missed something :hmmm: )[/quote']

Yes you did Crowd Beaters. Jumping Like a Monkey (or putting it subtly -- animals) Players who have put their poles in the wrong holes getting afflicted with warts. Players who were involved in sham marriages.

Thats not a fair call. Where will CI find 11 players after all those filters?:headshake:

[DomainK]

Cricindia left out the beast. :yikes: Conspiracy.:hitler: