Blundering ways of Indian selectors

[Chandan]

I don't think you can blame the selectors, most of the test matches India has played recently were in subcontinent, this retread garbage of RP, Irfan, have shown nothing in both IPL and domestic cricket to warrant their recall. Balaji after his back injury was never the same, he never was a great test prospect to begin with so how can you blame selectors for his demise. their selection of umesh Yadav, who bowled the fastest among all the new comers so nothing wrong in giving him a chance.Vinay Kumar was leading wicket taker in domestic cricket it should count for something , so was given a chance. They have not denied a chance to anyone who is more worthy of a spot in test squad and given it to somebody else.

Who says Irfan showed nothing during the domestic season? He played just 5 FC matches and took 22 wickets at 18.5 runs and also scored 397 runs at around 50 in just 9 innings. It was a terrific Ranji season for Irfan who was dogged by injury. He was chosen for Duleep trophy too, at a time when he had not recovered completely from the injuries. He tried to convey this to BCCI that he was fully ready for the competitive yet. But BCCI took it for his arrogance and he was forced to play in Duleep trophy and has been ignored ever since because he dared to differ from BCCI. It didn't matter if he he was conveying his lack of full fitness. How dare he even raise a voice after BCCI had decided something!! I came to know about all this from Prem Panicker's blog.

[The Outsider]

So taking the wickets of Smith, Kallis and de Villiers to help win a test match rewards you with getting dropped from the very next test these days?

[Ahmed]

In Pakistan people complain that players from Karachi are beeing ignored and players from Punjab picked. Are there similar geographical favouritism when it comes to selection in India?

[Sir john]

In Pakistan people complain that players from Karachi are beeing ignored and players from Punjab picked. Are there similar geographical favouritism when it comes to selection in India?

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Ahmed]

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

:hmmmm2:

[saneindian]

So taking the wickets of Smith' date=' Kallis and de Villiers to help win a test match rewards you with getting dropped from the very next test these days?[/quote'] Since that performance, Mishra has put on 5-7 kgs of pure fat, got hit around by Zimbabwe, SL A team and SL board president's 11 and to top it all, bowled 19-20 no balls in the tour gme prior to the test. Any captain would struggle to pick him in the final 11 gven that recent form.

[HowardRoark]

In Pakistan people complain that players from Karachi are beeing ignored and players from Punjab picked. Are there similar geographical favouritism when it comes to selection in India?

No, we are a democratic country...we take turns to benefit from favouritism.. Jokes apart, we don't have power concentrated in any one state of our country. Punjab in Pakistan is powerful militiarily/politically and hence it's dominance in cricket as well. Fortunately in India, political power is more or less spread evenly across states with minor exceptions.

[Chandan]

So taking the wickets of Smith' date=' Kallis and de Villiers to help win a test match rewards you with getting dropped from the very next test these days?[/quote'] I don't think selectors are to blame here, Shwetabh. They selected him in the XV and it is the team management which has dropped Mishra from the playing XI. But the randomness in the selection in the last two years has completely destroyed the building up of the bench strength of both batting and bowling and it was exposed as soon as two front line seamers got injured.

[saneindian]

I don't think selectors are to blame here, Shwetabh. They selected him in the XV and it is the team management which has dropped Mishra from the playing XI. But the randomness in the selection in the last two years has completely destroyed the building up of the bench strength of both batting and bowling and it was exposed as soon as two front line seamers got injured.

Chandan, is it fair to blame only the selectors? How about the players themselves? How many of these fringe players have kept themselves fit? They all comeback after a few days of break with additonal fat added to the body and without much strengthening/conditioning during the off season. How can we blame the selectors for the poor fitness of Ojha, Mishra, RP Singh, Zaheer, Sree, Munaf, even Irfan Pathan. Yes majority of the selections have been random and without much planning, but then the players themselves have not helped their case by ignoring their fitness and by being satisfied with the IPL money.

[putrevus]

more than medium pacers who are crappy we all knew that it is the lack of spinners coming up which is baffling, Mishra and Ohja are just not consistent.

[Chandan]

Chandan, is it fair to blame only the selectors? How about the players themselves? How many of these fringe players have kept themselves fit? They all comeback after a few days of break with additonal fat added to the body and without much strengthening/conditioning during the off season. How can we blame the selectors for the poor fitness of Ojha, Mishra, RP Singh, Zaheer, Sree, Munaf, even Irfan Pathan. Yes majority of the selections have been random and without much planning, but then the players themselves have not helped their case by ignoring their fitness and by being satisfied with the IPL money.

I think selectors are to be blamed for random selections without any vision or planning. This confuses the entire new crop of players as to what they need to do to get a prolonged run. Is it just belonging to South zone that is enough or do they need strong performance to compete with the other fringe players? Clarity in the ideas and plan for future is a must, especially in an incompetent organisation like BCCI. Players chosen just to award their good performance in domestic cricket is not good enough. You have to give breaks to players who you think can represent India for a long time. Just give me one good reason why Jaskaran has been chosen for India A and Emerging Players squad? Do the selectors think that he will represent India in the long run? Sorry. Selectors will be blamed for rubbish selections and ignoring deserving candidates.

[someone]

I think selectors are to be blamed for random selections without any vision or planning. This confuses the entire new crop of players as to what they need to do to get a prolonged run. Is it just belonging to South zone that is enough or do they need strong performance to compete with the other fringe players? Clarity in the ideas and plan for future is a must, especially in an incompetent organisation like BCCI. Players chosen just to award their good performance in domestic cricket is not good enough. You have to give breaks to players who you think can represent India for a long time. Just give me one good reason why Jaskaran has been chosen for India A and Emerging Players squad? Do the selectors think that he will represent India in the long run? Sorry. Selectors will be blamed for rubbish selections and ignoring deserving candidates.

Your words are too big, Vision or planning. The fact is if you play for a country as large as India where there is no limitations on cricket players, you have to take your chances, if not there is always someone else around. This has happened in the past, present and also in future. The fact is that if a selector started choosing players on vision, there will be more troubles. As then, in form players will never get a chance as it will be people like you again, who will be arguing why are these selectors sticking with those other players. Sorry what you are saying is double standards. You still mention stuffs like South zone bias and I feel sad to see that because of you, India is never united as you always want people in your small community succeeding only and not others. And always thinking of injustice if anyone else is selected. Also why cannot Jaskaran get a chance, he has shown some improvement and has decent record. The perfect example for this is Dhoni who had only a decent record in his pre-India career but a good run of form really changed his career.

[The Outsider]

Since that performance' date=' Mishra has put on 5-7 kgs of pure fat, got hit around by Zimbabwe, SL A team and SL board president's 11 and to top it all, bowled 19-20 no balls in the tour gme prior to the test. Any captain would struggle to pick him in the final 11 gven that recent form.[/quote'] You're speaking as if Ojha is some Jonty Rhodes fitness wise. He is equally if not more sluggish and useless in the field. As for his bowling we saw what happened today and not that he had done anything great himself in the tour game. It's like dropping a batsman from a side after he scores 70-80 runs in his previous innings because he failed in a few ODIs in between.

I don't think selectors are to blame here, Shwetabh. They selected him in the XV and it is the team management which has dropped Mishra from the playing XI. But the randomness in the selection in the last two years has completely destroyed the building up of the bench strength of both batting and bowling and it was exposed as soon as two front line seamers got injured.

Yeah, I was including the selection of the XI as well in my purview. It has been absurd - the absolutely senseless manner in which Mishra and Ojha keep getting chopped and changed. Spinners don't develop overnight at the test level and the last thing needed is insecure spinners. How can dropping Mishra be justified when he played a crucial part in winning us a high pressure test? I agree with you about the random selections otherwise as well. Apparently 3 of our front line test options in Ishant, Sreesanth, and Munaf don't deserve to be part of our A team or second string ODI teams. Absolutely dumb!

[thevortex]

Outsider - I agree with your point about not selecting Sreesanth, Ishant, RP or Irfan for the A team. But a move of that scale perhaps was taken with other considerations in mind - maybe injury or workload or other things. But I am not making excuses. With the information on hand, we cannot but classify that as a mistake of collossal proportions. However, it is not as if Amit Mishra would have bowled much better. Personally I would prefer Mishra over Ojha because I am not convinced with Ojha's action. Not that it violates the 15 degree barrier or anything. Anyway who can tell degrees on TV? :). Harbhajan and Ojha both straighten their arm visibly. That is all there is to it as far as I am concerned. But Mishra is by no means a better spinner than Ojha. In fact it can be argued that Ojha brings in a bit of much needed variety to the attack. Lastly yes - consistency needs to be there. If the selectors prefer Mishra they need to give him a longer run. Same applies to Ojha. I also agree with Chandan. Dhoni and Kirsten have been making strange moves for quite some time now. And it seems set to continue.

[putrevus]

In india they use SG ball and here they use kookaburra which doesn't help our spinners especially Bhajji is it the reason for flop by our spinners so far

[thevortex]

Harbhajan was not 100 percent fit. He should not have played. Once again our short sightedness comes to the fore. With just 4 specialist bowlers including one debutant medium pacer, should we not ensure that all 4 are match fit? Dhoni and Kirsten continue to err. And this perhaps does not have any bearing on the national selectors - who have committed another set of blunders.

[putrevus]

Harbhajan was not 100 percent fit. He should not have played. Once again our short sightedness comes to the fore. With just 4 specialist bowlers including one debutant medium pacer, should we not ensure that all 4 are match fit? Dhoni and Kirsten continue to err. And this perhaps does not have any bearing on the national selectors - who have committed another set of blunders.

his selection without 100 percent fitness shows lack of options in team, if they had mishra instead of Bhajji nobody is there to at least control one end.

[saneindian]

I think selectors are to be blamed for random selections without any vision or planning. This confuses the entire new crop of players as to what they need to do to get a prolonged run. Is it just belonging to South zone that is enough or do they need strong performance to compete with the other fringe players? Clarity in the ideas and plan for future is a must' date= especially in an incompetent organisation like BCCI. Players chosen just to award their good performance in domestic cricket is not good enough. You have to give breaks to players who you think can represent India for a long time. Just give me one good reason why Jaskaran has been chosen for India A and Emerging Players squad? Do the selectors think that he will represent India in the long run? Sorry. Selectors will be blamed for rubbish selections and ignoring deserving candidates.

Can't really expect that with BCCI. A selection panel taking fair decisions won't sit well with the thugs of BCCI. And as they say "yatha raja tatha praja" (As the ruler, so the ruled). About Jaskaran, well he didn't deserve to be selected, but then in the past we have seen how the likes of Arjun Yadav and Jaydev Shah have been picked for India A. So obviously there are strings being pulled for selections and BCCI plays a major part in it. Then you have the ego maniacs of BCCI who would not allow our players to play in county cricket because someone at the ECB rubbed their egos the wrong way!! And lastly there is the issue of the selection panel and team management being at loggerheads all the time. So as cliched as it may sound, we are still in a poorly and unprofessionally managed cricket system and the easy IPL money is playing its part in making the foundations of this system , the players, lazier by the day and hence weakening the strength of the system.

[gaurav92]

Zak's injury has just imbalanced the team.This means we don't have backups in our bowling department.Leave the backups, we dont even have a playing XI with Good bowlers for Tests :((

[putrevus]

How did Australian attack look for one session when rookie batsman with butt who is mediocre at best add more than 100 runs in session ,what did so called powerhouse in bowling do when tail-enders added more than 120 runs for last two wickets. Ishant was off the mark but was also unlucky as all the initial scoring of him were to third man on outfield so fast.you have place more blame on captain than on bowler in this case as he did not provide him cover to cut off those runs. More than bowling which was struggling it was fielding and catching which left lot to be desired, I thought days of slip fielders dropping catches and continue as if nothing happened were over. Dhoni's captaincy is not up to the mark , he needs to understand he is not captaining Aussie side with great bowlers with whom he can have attacking field all the time .He needs to provide cover to cut off scoring options of limited player like parnavitana who scores most of his square of the wicket.He had the ridiculous field with two men in front of wicket and no short leg or silly point.