Tendulkar_Bhai Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 matchwinning ability is first and foremost. pick the matchwinners and fill in the blanks. jadeja can only be a matchwinner with the bat and currently he does no have enough skills to do that.it will take a few years. uthappa as the no 7 can be a matchwinner. the fifth bowler whether its jadeja or someone else is not going to win you matches. considering the resources available at the moment,they have to go with 7 batsmen(6 specialists + dhoni). Hit the nail on the head, sure Jadega is a ok bowler but as number 7 you need someone who can bat well, and Irfan Fills that role and his bowling is also decent, we have all this part time spinners but now of them can bowl pace like Pathan can.
King Tendulkar Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 Is Irfan a better bat then Jadeja? Nothing in it. Jadeja is definitlry better bowler
Tendulkar_Bhai Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 Is Irfan a better bat then Jadeja? Nothing in it. Jadeja is definitlry better bowler Yes i think Irfan Pathan is a much better batsmen, hes played well under pressure numerious times whereas Jadega has done nothing, he is unable to find the boundary like Kaif used to be. His bowling average of 29 is also decent, against Jadega's 44. I do like his spin bowling but with so many spin options just as good e.g. Shewag/UV, Pathan brings something different to the team. I personally dont see any argument for picking Jadega over IP as he has done nothing.
King Tendulkar Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 Lets be honest they are both very very ordinary
Tendulkar_Bhai Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 Lets be honest they are both very very ordinary Yeh but Jadega is more odinary than Pathan..so ordinary in fact tht he shouldnt be in the team :P
sudheer kumar Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 Jadeja and Irfan........... 1.Selectors are given many chances to Jadeja from 2009. But how many International matches Irfan played? I don't know Why selectors are avoiding Irfan even though Jadeja's performance is not good. 2.Jadeja may have better economy compared to Irfan. It is not enough to win the match. In his economy most of matches he didn't bowled his full quota of 10overs. Irfan bowled his all 10overs in maximum matches. 3.Jadeja took wickets only when batsmen plays a wrong short. Irfan took most of his wickets with perfect kind of bowling. 4. As a batsmen Jadeja never played a match winning knock. Irfan played so many match winning knocks as pinch hitter and also in lower order. As my per my view Irfan should play at no.8 in the team as a bowling all-rounder. At no.7 we need a batting all-rounder who can hit the ball very hard. Y.Pathan/Rohit/Kohli should play at no.7 the team should be like this 1.Sachin 2.Sehwag 3.Gambhir 4.Yuvraj 5.Dhoni 6.Raina 7.Y.Pathan/Rohit/Kohli OR 7.Uthappa 8.I.Pathan/Jadeja 9.Harbhajan 10.Zaheer 11.Ishant/Praveen/Nehra/RP
King Tendulkar Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 ^ So instead of having 4 bowlers + Irfan/Jadeja. You know want 3 bowlers + Irfan/Jadeja +Another pants part timer. We will be chasing 380 with that bowling attacck
sudheer kumar Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 ^ So instead of having 4 bowlers + Irfan/Jadeja. You know want 3 bowlers + Irfan/Jadeja +Another pants part timer. We will be chasing 380 with that bowling attacck In sub-continent part time bowlers play major role by breaking partnerships. obviously they called partnerships breakers.
King Tendulkar Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 In sub-continent part time bowlers play major role by breaking partnerships. obviously they called partnerships breakers. Great so we have 2 part timers bowling 20 overs in a match. Thats a bit more then partnership breakers thats full time bowling. We would get massacred
sudheer kumar Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 Great so we have 2 part timers bowling 20 overs in a match. Thats a bit more then partnership breakers thats full time bowling. We would get massacred If we play with these 11 players, we have a chance if any bowlers flops. Look at part time bowlers. Sehwag Yuvraj Raina Yusuf/Kohli/Rohit. I think Yuvraj is a better bowler than Jadeja. these four can bowl 10-15 overs.(Yuvraj-5,Sehwag-3,Raina-3,Yusuf/kohli/rohit-3) These are enough to bowl 5th bowler quota.
someone Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 What a pathetic logic by some of our fans. Have got to feel sorry for Jadeja,even if he plays well, people say it is the batsman mistakes but not good bowling and they will also he will play very bad the next match. There is absolutely no appreciation in his performances. Really if we are all Indian fans, we should know the 5th bowling option has been our biggest weakness. And when it is looking like it can be solved, you want it to remain unsolved. Also, Jadeja when he comes to bat for India, usually it is when we are in a bad situation due to a top order collapse, so if he try to get singles, people say too slow, bad batting. Similarly, if he tries to hit some big shots, people say he should have defended, stupid batting. Unlike Pathan, Jadeja has also never gotten any opportunities to prove himself in batting. You cannot except him to make wonders in 5 overs. Give him some overs, time to settle like Pathan got earlier in his career. This will built confidence and experience. Lastly, if our famous batting line up holds and performs well, there really would not be a need for Jadeja to bat. But sadly, we do have batting collapse at any given time. It is pretty shocking to know that still there are many of the indian fans who hate Jadeja just because of his 3-4 bad overs in the t20 world cup.
sudheer kumar Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 What a pathetic logic by some of our fans. Have got to feel sorry for Jadeja,even if he plays well, people say it is the batsman mistakes but not good bowling and they will also he will play very bad the next match. There is absolutely no appreciation in his performances. Really if we are all Indian fans, we should know the 5th bowling option has been our biggest weakness. And when it is looking like it can be solved, you want it to remain unsolved. Also, Jadeja when he comes to bat for India, usually it is when we are in a bad situation due to a top order collapse, so if he try to get singles, people say too slow, bad batting. Similarly, if he tries to hit some big shots, people say he should have defended, stupid batting. Unlike Pathan, Jadeja has also never gotten any opportunities to prove himself in batting. You cannot except him to make wonders in 5 overs. Give him some overs, time to settle like Pathan got earlier in his career. This will built confidence and experience. Lastly, if our famous batting line up holds and performs well, there really would not be a need for Jadeja to bat. But sadly, we do have batting collapse at any given time. It is pretty shocking to know that still there are many of the indian fans who hate Jadeja just because of his 3-4 bad overs in the t20 world cup. T20 is different than ODIs. If dhoni have confidence on jadeja...why not he is trying him in top-order? there are so many matches played by team and has chance to promote jadeja. I not criticizing jadeja....but while comparing with irfan, jadeja's performance is not good like irfan's. one/two odd performance are not required from jadeja. Every time he play a match he need to perform well. Then only he will become match-winner. "Jadeja when he comes to bat for India, usually it is when we are in a bad situation due to a top order collapse"[/b Yuvi also played in these kind of situations and we won those matches.(ex.Natwest final in England)
Lord Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 Jadejas economy rate is 4.8. Which frankly speaking in modern odi cricket is bloody good E/R of Yuvraj is 5.not much difference n his average is same too.so why do we need another part timer to do what Yuvraj can
someone Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 T20 is different than ODIs. If dhoni have confidence on jadeja...why not he is trying him in top-order? there are so many matches played by team and has chance to promote jadeja. I not criticizing jadeja....but while comparing with irfan, jadeja's performance is not good like irfan's. one/two odd performance are not required from jadeja. Every time he play a match he need to perform well. Then only he will become match-winner. Yuvi also played in these kind of situations and we won those matches.(ex.Natwest final in England) First,again, over rating IP. You make it sound like he has played well all the time. Next, regarding the bold part, Jadeja has been performing well in ODIs over the last 12 months. Definitely, that is not 1-2 good performances. And if I remember clearly he has received MOM sometimes for his bowling. Finally,a squad analysis. When there is Khan, Nehra who will definately be in the wc first team. Another leftie is not required. There has got to be some variation which is why the fast bowling squad imo should be 2 left arm and 2 right arm. ( 3 slots have so far be taken and now up to the likes of IS/SS/AM to take the last spot)
Manny_Pacquiao Posted August 16, 2010 Author Posted August 16, 2010 btw, this is totally unrelated to the topic but i really like india's seamer combo of praveen, nehra and zaheer. india will do some damage with this bowling attack if the pitches have something in it for the bowlers
sudheer kumar Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 First,again, over rating IP. You make it sound like he has played well all the time. Next, regarding the bold part, Jadeja has been performing well in ODIs over the last 12 months. Definitely, that is not 1-2 good performances. And if I remember clearly he has received MOM sometimes for his bowling. Finally,a squad analysis. When there is Khan, Nehra who will definately be in the wc first team. Another leftie is not required. There has got to be some variation which is why the fast bowling squad imo should be 2 left arm and 2 right arm. ( 3 slots have so far be taken and now up to the likes of IS/SS/AM to take the last spot) I think Praveen kumar should play instead of Nehra. Then there will be variation.
someone Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I think Praveen kumar should play instead of Nehra. Then there will be variation. If we play 5 bowlers for the wc then according to the current situation, it should be Nehra, PK,ZK and Jadeja and Harbhajan. That enough variation and you would not want to have IP there instead of Jadeja, Nehra,PK
sudheer kumar Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 If we play 5 bowlers for the wc then according to the current situation, it should be Nehra, PK,ZK and Jadeja and Harbhajan. That enough variation and you would not want to have IP there instead of Jadeja, Nehra,PK Don't include nehra. Replace him with praveen it should be Zaheer,Praveen,Harbhajan,Irfan/Jadeja.
Lord Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 If we play 5 bowlers for the wc then according to the current situation, it should be Nehra, PK,ZK and Jadeja and Harbhajan. That enough variation and you would not want to have IP there instead of Jadeja, Nehra,PK IP can replace either PK or Nehra,considering,he much better suited for no.7 job.Jadeja can bat lower down,not 7
sudheer kumar Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 IP can replace either PK or Nehra' date=considering,he much better suited for no.7 job.Jadeja can bat lower down,not 7 IP can replace Nehra only. Because If he replace PK....3 pacers are left arm bowlers. "We need variation"-said by SOMEONE If IP replace Nehra........ Zaheer and PK starts with new ball IP is first change bolwer. Jadeja and Harbhajan can bowl after IP. In Sub continent IP,Jadeja,Harbhajan,Zaheer,PK..........all of these are able to contribute with bat also. It means all the 11 players will capable to bat in team. So minimum of 280 runs we can chase if we bat second. If we bat first...........I expect 320 runs our team can score easily(If two batsmen scores fifties/ One batsmen score hundred)
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