Bradman99 Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 this is an absolute digrace and not surprised with Ponting' date=' typical of something he would say! Sachin past his prime? Look at his stats for the past year, 6 tests centuries, an odi century which involved the first 200 and the highest score in odi format, reaching top of the ICC rankings since early 00's and of course becoming the first person to reach 14000 test runs..... yea just a bit off his best I would say!!!!! Sore loser comes to mind, [b']punter stop getting wingy get a grip and grow a set of balls!!!!!! I think this applies to you, he is just stating his opinion.
Zap_Brannigan Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 The difference between a great player and the greatest player is that the greatest player not only realizes that when he is in his late 30's,he cannot be the same swashbuckling player that he was in his 20's,but adopts his game to his body's limits and still score bucket loads of runs. Instead of going over the head of bowlers which results in his back taking a terrible amount of stress, Sachin just goes over the head of the keeper, which only stresses his cricketing skills.
mastana Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Reminds me of "Vinaash kale vipreet budhi" In short salle ki satak gayi hai.
Bradman99 Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 The difference between a great player and the greatest player is that the greatest player not only realizes that when he is in his late 30's,he cannot be the same swashbuckling player that he was in his 20's,but adopts his game to his body's limits and still score bucket loads of runs. Instead of going over the head of bowlers which results in his back taking a terrible amount of stress, Sachin just goes over the head of the keeper, which only stresses his cricketing skills. Agreed, well said.
ravishingravi Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 He has said absolutely nothing that is questionable. Tendulkar can't play the way he did in 1998. With age, reflexes slow down and you have to modify your game. Some have just made a meal of his quote.
HouMac Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 I have actually compared his older inngs to the newer ones ... shot by shot basis ... there is simply no difference. Its just that he doesnt look like a kid anymore. Woah, disagree big time here. In terms of batting style, there is a VERY noticeable difference between 89-03 Tendulkar and the one after that. He is still as EFFECTIVE as ever(maybe more so), but the beauty of his batting(particularly Tests) is a far cry from what it used to be in the 90's and early 00's. His body is no longer as upright when playing shots(even his stance is more 'bent down' now), back lift not as high, doesn't play with a straight bat as much, doesn't hit the ball as hard, doesn't quite time the ball as well,. . . .while none of this makes him an inferior player, it certainly makes him a less prettier batsman to watch. Just watch these 2 innings and tell me you don't see a significant stylistic difference. 1998 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvswMLNC1c]YouTube - sachin vs zim part1[/ame] 2009 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM6pGB9HsoU]YouTube - sachin 138 vs srilanka 2009[/ame]
vamos_rafa Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Ponting has stated his opinion which he's fully entitled to. But one thing that I don't understand is when people say that the Sachin of 90's was far better. For all the great things that he did hen,the one noticeable feature used to be Sach's faltering at pressure cooker situations. But nowadays,till now,this new Tendulkar does not give away even in extreme situations. Not that he wanted to in the 90's as well but I think he used to play with a lot more pressure then even though his game was a free flowing one. And for all those who say that he does not dominate the bowlers the innings of 175 is a prime example for them. The way he went after Hauritz was a treat. And in the 2007-08 Aus tour I personally liked the way he used to go after Hogg right from the outset. I feel he's a lot more selective now but that also means that when the need to open up comes up he does open up bug time. And don't tell me in the 90's he played a knock which was anywhere close to the CB series final. That's IMO my all time fav Sach ODI knock along with 98 against Pakistan in 2003 WC.
Holysmoke Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 To be honest I like this version of Tendulkar more,he is lot calmer and has no weakness in his game and his mental toughness is just off the charts. When he was young he took more chances and looked to dominate more but now he is so serene. One thing all these experts never gave him enough credit on how great his defense and technique are , even in the series in england after which Ian Chappell wrote his infamous column, his willingness to stay on wicket even though he was not at his very best and fight thru it was never given credit. He has sacrificed his ego for the sake of the Team which Punter never did so far at least, he shelled some shots which got him out and totally adapted himself yet managed to score heavily. He knows in this team he is still the key wicket and has put a price on his wicket so high. Punter knew hook shot was his downfall but he still has played it over and over again only to get out. I like this version of Sachin much more too. I love the fact that he's so assured at the crease. He's almost serene. The thing with sachin is.. it is quite difficult for a bowler to get him out.. more often than not it seems like it is a mistake he made. Well, now those mistakes have reduced, and that makes him look even better. Some people are saying earlier, he would take on high risk shots and come out unscathed, but somehow I like what I see right now even more. The difference between a great player and the greatest player is that the greatest player not only realizes that when he is in his late 30's,he cannot be the same swashbuckling player that he was in his 20's,but adopts his game to his body's limits and still score bucket loads of runs. Instead of going over the head of bowlers which results in his back taking a terrible amount of stress, Sachin just goes over the head of the keeper, which only stresses his cricketing skills. Post of the week. :two_thumbs_up: And don't tell me in the 90's he played a knock which was anywhere close to the CB series final. Let me introduce you to... Operation Desert Storm:giggle: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXRkHervQJc]YouTube - Sachin's 143 Against Australia In sharjah 1998[/ame]
vamos_rafa Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 I like this version of Sachin much more too. I love the fact that he's so assured at the crease. He's almost serene. The thing with sachin is.. it is quite difficult for a bowler to get him out.. more often than not it seems like it is a mistake he made. Well, now those mistakes have reduced, and that makes him look even better. Some people are saying earlier, he would take on high risk shots and come out unscathed, but somehow I like what I see right now even more. Post of the week. :two_thumbs_up: Let me introduce you to... Operation Desert Storm:giggle: YouTube - Sachin's 143 Against Australia In sharjah 1998 :omg: how could I miss that.. Thanks for refreshing the memory though :two_thumbs_up:
EnterTheVoid Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 ^ Bassu, love the comparison shots :eyedance:
gaurav92 Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Baasu is The Legend.He is still the same, same passion, same spirit and more importantly, even after scoring tons after tons, still hungry for more.This describes The Greatest.... And those who saying about the reflexes and skills dropping.Its like after 20 years, nothing can be the same, there will be some difference, but I don't see much difference (if any) in his playing style.Its just that he has discovered some more strokes, and is playing more like an experienced player now.He knows his role perfectly, he doesn't have to go for Blitzkreig all the time, there are others dping it.he is just playing the supportive innings, still he looks dominant as ever.
Ranjha Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Tendulkar was the best in 90s and 2000s and now in 10s...
ravishingravi Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Ponting has stated his opinion which he's fully entitled to. But one thing that I don't understand is when people say that the Sachin of 90's was far better. For all the great things that he did hen' date=the one noticeable feature used to be Sach's faltering at pressure cooker situations. But nowadays,till now,this new Tendulkar does not give away even in extreme situations. Not that he wanted to in the 90's as well but I think he used to play with a lot more pressure then even though his game was a free flowing one. And for all those who say that he does not dominate the bowlers the innings of 175 is a prime example for them. The way he went after Hauritz was a treat. And in the 2007-08 Aus tour I personally liked the way he used to go after Hogg right from the outset. I feel he's a lot more selective now but that also means that when the need to open up comes up he does open up bug time. And don't tell me in the 90's he played a knock which was anywhere close to the CB series final. That's IMO my all time fav Sach ODI knock along with 98 against Pakistan in 2003 WC. Yup, I think he has mentally mastered the game now. Just seems in complete control of the situation.
HouMac Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Sorry disagree see evidence below ... Dont think so ... compare the 1st two pics and see for yourself the 1st pic is a capture from the 1998 video you posted. and the 2nd still is from the 175 he made against Aus a year ago. Absolutely no difference except that he is no longer lean and has a big arm guard. Watch the 3rd pic for a high back lift (now) and the 4th pic (as it is in 1998). Its exactly the same as it was from 1998. And as for playing straight watch this @ about 2:20 (in fact the whole damn thing is one amazing collection of shots from Baasu ) . Pics are limiting. You basically captured shots where Tendulkar looks somewhat similar to his old self(this similarity can be shown between ANY 2 players, doesn't mean they bat similarly), but pics by no means capture the aesthetics of an actual video. Again, watch the 2 videos I posted. Both the technical and aesthetic changes in Tendulkar's batting are very noticeable over the years. Body not quite as rigid, less cooler stance, lower bat lift. . .and all credit to him for changing his game according to age, but can't say I didn't prefer watching the younger Tendulkar.
Sachinism Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 I love the new Tendulkar, everything is done with efficiency and ease. He looks in total control at the crease
King Tendulkar Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 We spent all our time discussing tendulkar v bradman. Now we switch to Tendulkar 90s v Tendulkar 2010 debates:hysterical:
Mamu Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Can you please elaborate on the vintage Sachin statement because if you talk about match winning...He has singlehandedly turned matches for us recently eg;200*,CB series like he did in the past. Probably we get the feeling now because now a strike rate of 90+ doesn't have the same novelty it was back in the 90's Vintage Sachin is Perth Sachin, Wellington Sachin, Sharjah (against Aussies) Sachin, Chennai against Pak Sachin. Just the approach to playing cricket, nothing more than that. Last we have seen of Vintage Sachin was 2003 WC.
King Tendulkar Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Watch the 200 not oot against SA. Vintage Or his test tons this year , class. Just in 2010 his defence and shot selction is so perfect that he gives an air of no risk at all. This give the lie that he is not swashbuckling. Just all his shots are played with such perfection that no risk ssems to apply. In reality though it is scintillating stroke play and daring!
thevortex Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Ponting has tried his best to score a diplomatic point or two. Mark cannot very well disagree publicly with Ponting now . While what Ponting says about Sachin too not being at his best is true, the thing to note is that Sachin is not so far behind his best or has found newer ways where Ponting has not been able to do that. The Ashes might yet give us a different glimpse of the tough Tasmanian. But looking at Ponting generally and his game, I would be very surprised if he scores heavily. The English are sure to give him a few chin balls and a few verbals.
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