Sid Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Chandan has changed the thread title. Don Corleone you haz been pwned To claim MSD is the greatest all time ODI keeper bat is :hysterical: Well answer to changed title is also a no but definately he is the best ODI WK batsman India has produced and we should be happy and proud with what he has done,after struggling for so many years to find a decent WK batsman,we finally got one in MSD who is not only a decent one but one of the best around
vaibhav_delhi Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Nice cop out :giggle: He's the best ODI wicket keeper for us, no need to compare him with PaPa, Mongiya etc :giggle: BTW gilly has 28 MOM :two_thumbs_up: Sanga 16. And Ganguly, Ponting etc were also captains FYI. Mate, more accurate way to compare could be to divide MoM awards by runs scored. Because dhoni doesnt get enough time to elongate his innings as he comes down low in the order This way we would know how valuable his each run is: dhoni: 13/5733 * 100 = 0.227 gilly: 28/9619 * 100= 0.291 sanga: 16/8510 *100 = 0.188 it is coming out to be gilly > dhoni > sanga. but in my opinion, dhoni>gilly as he has to captain the side as well, nuture youngsters and soak in all the pressure. gilly had a much more dangerous players(batters, bowlers and fielders) with him all the time, thus much more chance of winning a match thereby enhancing his chances of becoming MoM as its rarely given frm losing team.
Andy Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 May be he is a beter ODI bat than Sanga, Not gilly Definitely.
fineleg Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 ^ @dhon_zone: Sure, he is the best wkbat india has had. The issue why people are at thread is the claim that he is world's all time best. Andy: I think Sanga is a better wkbat than MSD even in ODIs. But then there can be some argument perhaps. Sanga is just a far superior batsman than MSD. Absolute class batsman he (Sanga) is despite being Whingakara as a captain.
Andy Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Its silly to defend Dhonis lack of Quality as Compared to Gilly by putting the word 'Captaincy' ahead of him. Punter too is an ODI captain. Plus Despite being a Captain for 5 years Sourav Ganguly had 22 Tons, he scored tons all over the world, in Tournament Finals, Semifinals. Dhoni has none against them. Any reason to defend that?
Andy Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 ^ @dhon_zone: Sure, he is the best wkbat india has had. The issue why people are at thread is the claim that he is world's all time best. Andy: I think Sanga is a better wkbat than MSD even in ODIs. But then there can be some argument perhaps. Sanga is just a far superior batsman than MSD. Absolute class batsman he (Sanga) is despite being Whingakara as a captain. Agree on that class thing and a Beter Test batsman Without a doubt, but may be Dhoni have played more Good knocks under Pressure than Sanga. I dont have the stats to argue though.
vaibhav_delhi Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Its silly to defend Dhonis lack of Quality as Compared to Gilly by putting the word 'Captaincy' ahead of him. Punter too is an ODI captain. Plus Despite being a Captain for 5 years Sourav Ganguly had 22 Tons' date=' he scored tons all over the world, in Tournament Finals, Semifinals. Dhoni has none against them. Any reason to defend that?[/quote'] he is an excellent captain. one of the best ever. This enhances his importance. guess if u'd ask any player arnd the world, they wud say tht they rate dhoni much higher than ganguly everw as.
fineleg Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 he is an excellent captain. one of the best ever. This enhances his importance. guess if u'd ask any player arnd the world, they wud say tht they rate dhoni much higher than ganguly everw as. Ganguly - that will hit a nerve with some hardcore gangu fans :winky: J/K in ODIs, Ganguly pwns MSD as a batsman. Just that Gangu was not a keeper so not in this thread.
vaibhav_delhi Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 btw I rate sanga very highly as a test batter. easily higher than gillly
rkt.india Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 First things first: As gilly played as an opener, you can never single out such instances, as he literally rips the bowling apart and turn the game on his head, then there won't be much pressure on the middle order. That's why there are not much innings like the one in 2007 wcup finals. Agree with most of the above, he was key to our win in the CB series and against Pak - but I didn't get the SL series (the murali and mendis one) you were talking about? And about opening being easy, can't help but :giggle: How many openers (who played a sizable amount of games) have averages in the early 50's or heck even the mid forties? And the new ball will have movement irrespective of how flat the pitch is - so opening is the hardest part FYI. Yes, you can score quick runs, but the odds of a wicket falling is much higher compared to that of middle/lower middle order. Not to mention how gilly has revolutionized the role of WKB. And captaincy is a whole different matter, we've discussed that to death in many threads, that anyways is irrelevant here. that is the series when Kohli opened for India and India won 3-2 after a huge drubbing they got in test series where Mendis was unplayable. Glichrist averages 35 in ODIs not in 40s or 50s..very similar to Sehwag and hitting and scoring in middle overs with the old ball is much difficult in comparison to the new ball....Gilchrist was a great player and he has no comparison to anyone though as he was in his own league...
rkt.india Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 First things first: As gilly played as an opener, you can never single out such instances, as he literally rips the bowling apart and turn the game on his head, then there won't be much pressure on the middle order. That's why there are not much innings like the one in 2007 wcup finals. Agree with most of the above, he was key to our win in the CB series and against Pak - but I didn't get the SL series (the murali and mendis one) you were talking about? And about opening being easy, can't help but :giggle: How many openers (who played a sizable amount of games) have averages in the early 50's or heck even the mid forties? And the new ball will have movement irrespective of how flat the pitch is - so opening is the hardest part FYI. Yes, you can score quick runs, but the odds of a wicket falling is much higher compared to that of middle/lower middle order. Not to mention how gilly has revolutionized the role of WKB. And captaincy is a whole different matter, we've discussed that to death in many threads, that anyways is irrelevant here. that is the series when Kohli opened for India and India won 3-2 after a huge drubbing they got in test series where Mendis was unplayable. Glichrist averages 35 in ODIs not in 40s or 50s..very similar to Sehwag and hitting and scoring in middle overs with the old ball is much difficult in comparison to the new ball....Gilchrist was a great player and he has no comparison to anyone though as he was in his own league...especially against fast bowlers...but come the spinners he was very ordinary...
Sid Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Its silly to defend Dhonis lack of Quality as Compared to Gilly by putting the word 'Captaincy' ahead of him. Punter too is an ODI captain. Plus Despite being a Captain for 5 years Sourav Ganguly had 22 Tons' date=' he scored tons all over the world, in Tournament Finals, Semifinals. Dhoni has none against them. Any reason to defend that?[/quote'] First of all i agree that adding captaincy to argue he is greater is silly,when it comes to scoring 100's ,I think you should know,batsmen batting at opening and no.3 positions have better chance of scoring hundreds than some batsmen who are there to finsh the games and play as finisher in their line up
Andy Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 he is an excellent captain. one of the best ever. This enhances his importance. guess if u'd ask any player arnd the world, they wud say tht they rate dhoni much higher than ganguly everw as. Most of the players Currently Playing dont have played much with and Against Ganguly, so they may have a opinion on that. Still i dont think they'll make such a stupid statement for a Player who has done well in Pressure Situation , in the Finals, And in the knock Out stages. Ganguly from 1997-2001 was one of the Best ODI bat of that Time. Records speak for themselves. And one more Thing if they even Call Dhoni more dangerous surely wont be the Dhoni after 2007. You need to get your facts right.
gaurav92 Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Dhoni is not a classy batsman, one with an unusual technique, but he does his job in the middle order pretty well, and that too consistently, but Gilly is just a notch ahead of him and sanga although a bad wicket keeper, but his batting skills are fat better than Dhoni.
Shane Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Dhoni is the World's most efficient WK/Batsman in ODI's atm, in terms of class, Sangacrybaby is far better than Dhoni.
Sid Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Dhoni is not a classy batsman' date=' one with an unusual technique, but he does his job in the middle order pretty well, and that too consistently, but Gilly is just a notch ahead of him and sanga although[b'] a bad wicket keeper, but his batting skills are fat better than Dhoni. I dont agree with that he is a very natural and safe keeper,and add to that uses his appealing skills better than other WKs
rkt.india Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Ganguly - that will hit a nerve with some hardcore gangu fans :winky: J/K in ODIs, Ganguly pwns MSD as a batsman. Just that Gangu was not a keeper so not in this thread. Ganguly used to open the innings...if he comes down the order he would have not score those much hundreds coz of his strike which was just in early 70s.....
Sid Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 It is a WK thread and again comaprison batween Ganguly and Dhoni has started:cantstop:
gaurav92 Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 I dont agree with that he is a very natural and safe keeper' date='and add to that uses his appealing skills better than other WKs[/quote'] Sanga isn't better than Dhoni.His reflexes has gone down and thats why they have Prasanna as their WK in Tests, although he does his job fine in the ODIs.
ZodiaC Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Well answer to changed title is also a no but definately he is the best ODI WK batsman India has produced and we should be happy and proud with what he has done' date='after struggling for so many years to find a decent WK batsman,we finally got one in MSD who is not only a decent one but one of the best around[/quote'] He is arguably the best WKB we've ever produced in all formats.. No ones denying that..
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