The Outsider Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Don't know if i am missing the context in this part of discussion' date=' but statement made bold can not be appropriate in any context. Till now I had heard that India lost Sysdney, because of Bucknor or because of India's inept batting in second innings, but it is first time I heard that India lost because of Sachin Tendulkar who scored around 170 runs in that test match. No better example of using any number in a way most suitable to you..[/quote'] You should ask vvslaxman who brought in Tendulkar's 154 at Sydney as an example of his supposed innate desire to stay not out by exposing the tail.
akshayxyz Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Akshay: you are not getting the point man, there is always or at most times pressure on u in international cricket. But there are times when pressure is significantly more, and I gave you examples. cant understand the reasoning for your denial. And some are not able to differentiate a "nothing to lose" situation from real pressure situation, which might be more difficult to handle.
pensionplan Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 While some are still panting at showing that SRT is the be all and end all means of Indian cricket VVS has a cool 68-11 lead on this forum poll as the better of the two at handling pressure and finish games and rightly so if one were to see the recent matches be at Colombo or Mohali or Durban games which had India was in trouble at some point in time but pulled all those games off thanks to this Very Very Special players special efforts aided by his other team mates. This Poll result is a testimony to VVS's greatness under pressure than SRT's lack of it which is not even debatable point here for those of you that get testy at very mention of other players and their greatness.
vvvslaxman Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 No' date=' I don't when there is an entire day to be played out. If it was some 5-10 over scenario, yes.[/quote'] That is not talk of a champion. That is some loser talk from loser player. People have been there before and done it. There was a slight chance of rain that day. So giving up so early is not champion material. I am not a champion. But i would not have handed strike right back to those rookies against steyn on a fresh morning.
Ranjha Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 The new tailender should definately have been shielded on ceturion pitch. However, if it was proven lower order bats like harbhajan, zaheer, ishant then no, they shouldnt have been shielded. I am with vvslaxman on this one.
Raghav_12 Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 That is not talk of a champion. That is some loser talk from loser player. People have been there before and done it. There was a slight chance of rain that day. So giving up so early is not champion material. I am not a champion. But i would not have handed strike right back to those rookies against steyn on a fresh morning. would like to know on example from you where a batsman played out a whole day after starting day at 8 down? Add to that strength of opposition bowling and fact that one of the tailender was in his first match. There was no point in shielding tail at that point of time. Rather than it was better to let them face few balls so that when there is more realistic chance they can sustain the pressure and contribute in better way.
akshayxyz Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 ^ Such common sense is not required on this forum.
vvvslaxman Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 would like to know on example from you where a batsman played out a whole day after starting day at 8 down? Add to that strength of opposition bowling and fact that one of the tailender was in his first match. There was no point in shielding tail at that point of time. Rather than it was better to let them face few balls so that when there is more realistic chance they can sustain the pressure and contribute in better way. Facing Steyn on a fresh morning sure will help you contribute :giggle: . Why not we can open with Unadkat and Sreesanth instead of Viru and Gauti so that they can see off "new ball".
Raghav_12 Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Facing Steyn on a fresh morning sure will help you contribute :giggle: . Why not we can open with Unadkat and Sreesanth instead of Viru and Gauti so that they can see off "new ball". what about other points I have made in my post? "would like to know on example from you where a batsman played out a whole day after starting day at 8 down? Add to that strength of opposition bowling and fact that one of the tailender was in his first match. There was no point in shielding tail at that point of time. Rather than it was better to let them face few balls so that when there is more realistic chance they can sustain the pressure and contribute in better way." And answer to your Q is, in such kind of situations opposition will always unleash their best bowlers at tailenders. So they have to face them in any case.
Bumper Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 I too voted for Laxman. I guess the point here is not whether SRT has done enough to win games in his career. He certainly has. For that matter, almost every test batsman who averages 50+, with over 20 hundreds would have played his share of match winning innings. Rather the question is, when your team is almost down and out, all hopes seem lost, who has shown up more often and turned the match on its head ? To me that is Laxman, without doubt. And Laxman's done it repeatdly in dramatic fashion against the big dogs. He started the decade with his 281 and finished it with three 2nd innings epics in the last year. I doubt i have seen any modern batsmen who has had as much as success as Laxman under crisis.
pensionplan Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Rather the question is, when your team is almost down and out, all hopes seem lost, who has shown up more often and turned the match on its head ? To me that is Laxman, without doubt. And Laxman's done it repeatdly in dramatic fashion against the big dogs. He started the decade with his 281 and finished it with three 2nd innings epics in the last year. I doubt i have seen any modern batsmen who has had as much as success as Laxman under crisis.Without a doubt VVS is a true Test Great in his own right and deservedly so.
The Outsider Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 The new tailender should definately have been shielded on ceturion pitch. However, if it was proven lower order bats like harbhajan, zaheer, ishant then no, they shouldnt have been shielded. I am with vvslaxman on this one. Harbhajan, Zaheer, and Ishant would have never made it to the 'not to be shielded category' if they were being shielded through their careers. There was a huge discussion on ICF when Tendulkar exposed Ishant at Sydney. Mohali happened only because of the foundation laid at Sydney.
yoda Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 I don't know why this thread has taken this tangent of playing with/shielding the tail. It has no relevance to the thread topic, the verdict for which has been sealed and delivered. I can see how some have used this digression to question the thread and poll results, nice try though. :winky:
vaibhav_delhi Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 And some are not able to differentiate a "nothing to lose" situation from real pressure situation' date=' which might be more difficult to handle.[/quote'] When the game gets closer n closer, and you want to close it out, it is an 'everything to lose' situation. Do not be so thick in your mind, try n be reasonable man.
akshayxyz Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 When the game gets closer n closer, and you want to close it out, it is an 'everything to lose' situation. Do not be so thick in your mind, try n be reasonable man. Since you chose to take this personal angle - let me tell you this important aspect of "logical reasoning". Some (many) times its best to accept the insufficiency of data, which is what I have been trying to communicate. That none of us here has sufficient data to claim whether a certain playing condition is the only "pressure situation" and is above all, or whether excelling/failing in one pressure situations exclude/include the possibility of failing/succeeding below/above certain level in any other pressure situation. However, from my experience, reading etc, tackling pressure is more of a mental aspect and less a skill issue (beyond certain point) and a person who has tackled more types of pressures than most others is most likely to excel in any other pressure situation. Coming back to this "batting with tail to take across the winning line" being perceived as the most difficult pressure cooker situation. In my view and many other's it is not - I am not saying I am the authority on this, and I am not accepting you/others are. I just presented my view - that many of such situations are "nothing to lose" situations and relatively easier to tackle.. e.g. Yusuf Pathan's recent match winning knock against NZ. VVS and Ishant's innings vs Aussie (1st match) - If I remember correctly, even VVS commented something like that. So unless VVS, Sachin, Ponting, Dhoni and such people themselves write a book on - "Sorted list of pressure situations in test match cricket".. you have no business to call measure the thickness or any other biological/physical/meta-physical parameters of other's brains or penises or whatever - at least in this context. P.S. if you failed to notice - I just tried to present another view point for the situation you tried to establish. No where I said - xyz is wrong, I am only right. Anyway - you will take time to learn your lessons, and I have all the time to learn mine.
King Tendulkar Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Does this ton count as pressure knock:--D
King Tendulkar Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Shame on you guys with short memories or who only started wayching cricket in last 3 years. Did you fellas miss the 90s? What a pressure knock sachin has delivered
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