Is VVS Laxman a better player than Goddy under pressure?

[zen]

Boiled crow sh!t time for the resident ratt ....:hysterical: Here enjoy the stats ... these are the inngs where he came in when there were less than 50 runs on board. And BTW I didnt even bother to list the numerous fifties.

Date         Runs FoW         Link
1999 Dec 26         	116	11	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1999-2000/IND_IN_AUS/SCORECARDS/IND_AUS_T2_26-30DEC1999.html
2004 Dec 10         	248	24	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/IND_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/IND_BDESH_T1_10-14DEC2004.html
1996 Jun 6          	122	17	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1996/IND_IN_ENG/IND_ENG_T1_06-09JUN1996.html
1996 Jul 4          	177	33	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1996/IND_IN_ENG/IND_ENG_T3_04-09JUL1996.html
2002 Oct 30         	176	11	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2002-03/WI_IN_IND/SCORECARDS/WI_IND_T3_30OCT-03NOV2002.html
2010 October 9      	214	38	http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2010/engine/match/464527.html
1999 Jan 28         	136	6	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1998-99/PAK_IN_IND/SCORECARDS/PAK_IND_T1_28JAN-01FEB1999.html
1994 Dec 1          	179	49	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1994-95/WI_IN_IND/WI_IND_T2_01-05DEC1994.html
2010 February 6     	100	24	http://content-www.cricinfo.com/indvrsa2010/engine/match/441825.html
1997 Jan 2          	169	25	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1996-97/IND_IN_RSA/IND_RSA_T2_02-06JAN1997.html
2001 Nov 3          	155	43	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/IND_IN_RSA/SCORECARDS/IND_RSA_T1_03-07NOV2001.html
1992 Nov 26         	111	27	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1992-93/IND_IN_RSA/IND_RSA_T2_26-30NOV1992.html
1997 Aug 9          	139	9	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1997-98/IND_IN_SL/IND_SL_T2_09-13AUG1997.html
2002 Apr 19         	117	38	http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/IND_IN_WI/SCORECARDS/IND_WI_T2_19-23APR2002.html

I only see 3 scores post 2004 and appear as if in desperation you also pushed in his score against BD .... Appears as if you didn't read (or understand) what I wrote :giggle: That stats adds to my point further, thank you!

[vaibhav_delhi]

@Bossbhai: I had said THE best innings, which can only be 1. Chennai 2008 and Blore-2010 were awesome match winning knocks, no doubt.

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[Sachin=GOD]

Boiled crow sh!t time for the resident ratt ....:hysterical: Here enjoy the stats ... these are the inngs where he came in when there were less than 50 runs on board. And BTW I didnt even bother to list the numerous fifties.

you are not allowed to bring stats here - that would bring a sense of reality to these people but they want to live in delusions, so no stats should be brought to prove them wrong :icflove:

[spectre]

Its simple, Sachin bhakts wont tolerate any other player being called the greatest.It enrages them.That title is solely reserved for their demigod In whatever context, be the Sehwag, Bradman, Lara or even VVS Laxman, they wont be spared a ridicule. Yes, VVS Laxman is the best player for India under pressure much more than Sachin or Sehwag Dravid would come 2nd

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[Raghav_12]

When I think of sachin's best test innings' date=' unfortunately i think of that chennai 100 where he couldnt take india across the line against pakistan.[/quote'] and I can think of another Sachin's Chennai 100, which happened 10 years after above mentioned innings. Somebody who anchored India's highest run-chase of recent times and saw India through the finish line can not be any way weak under pressure situation.

[hari504504]

and I can think of another Sachin's Chennai 100' date=' which happened 10 years after above mentioned innings. Somebody who anchored India's highest run-chase of recent times and saw India through the finish line can not be any way weak under pressure situation.[/quote'] Sorry I don't agree. Tendulkar had Sehwag and Yuvraj around him on that one. Infact Sehwag;s innings took a lot of air out of the bowling and eased the pressure a fair bit. Laxman was the lone man standing on a green bouncy durban wicket against the best seamer in the world. We're all taking it the wrong way..But this is not a Tendu bashing thread (the man has almost hit a 100 100s..he doesn't need a forum vote to prove he is better than anyone else), It is only that people (Indians and others) won't remember any of Sachin's pressure innings in tests as opposed to Laxman's in the years to come (I don't) because Laxman got us victory from impossible situations in tests.

[kumble_rocks]

Guys , -read this aricle - http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/34434/VVS-Laxman-Grace-under-Pressure# which explains with stats. Clearly , Laxman has done better than any other Indian batsmen during pressure cooker situations in the recent years.

[goose]

Consider this piece of devil advocacy. Laxman comes in at No.6. By that time, should India be in trouble, he either looks a hero for bailing us out or he just gets thrown together with the rest of the side under general team batting failure. He can't lose. A more accurate verdict would be to say Laxman plays best when the Indian supporter is under intense pressure.

[Raghav_12]

Sorry I don't agree. Tendulkar had Sehwag and Yuvraj around him on that one. Infact Sehwag;s innings took a lot of air out of the bowling and eased the pressure a fair bit. Laxman was the lone man standing on a green bouncy durban wicket against the best seamer in the world. We're all taking it the wrong way..But this is not a Tendu bashing thread (the man has almost hit a 100 100s..he doesn't need a forum vote to prove he is better than anyone else), It is only that people (Indians and others) won't remember any of Sachin's pressure innings in tests as opposed to Laxman's in the years to come (I don't) because Laxman got us victory from impossible situations in tests.

that's what is total point. I am a big VVS fan and on this poll as well I voted for him. But I am not happy with the fact that Laxman delivered a match winning innings and ppl started taking potshots at Sachin. About Chennai test I used word anchored not that Sachin single handedly won us test match. Going by the same yardstick, we can say that Laxman wasn't sole warrior in the test match that he won in SL this year. Sachin came to crease when pressure was more and steadied the innings. After Sachin got out, Laxman got ample support from Raina. Here in Durban as well, he helped India set up a target of 303- which was good but not necessarily match winning had bowlers not performed. Ppl tend to forget that it's team game after all.

[pensionplan]

Guys ' date=' -read this aricle - [url']http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/34434/VVS-Laxman-Grace-under-Pressure# which explains with stats. Clearly , Laxman has done better than any other Indian batsmen during pressure cooker situations in the recent years.

Even for people who are obsessed with just mere stats VVS has a better 2nd innings (Match 3rd or 4th) average than SRT one of the criteria that defines what a pressure situation is. Why cannot someone who is as immensely talented as VVS better someone like a SRT in a set of defined conditions. After all Tendulkar is not the be all and end all means of cricket and no single player is bigger than the game. As great as Tendulkar is that is beyond doubt VVS is no less in any conditions that Tendulkar can thrive as he proved on numerous occasions and he bettered him clearly in 2nd inning scenarios and came up triumphs in situations where lesser mortals will simply wilt under. It is a testimony to his great mental strength a byproduct of his inner calm which he perhaps derives out of the 12th Adhyaya of Gita that he reads everyday and the message that conveys which he completely bought into. What he did in some of the lost causes over the last few moths is simply incredible. Also what makes it more intriguing is he has accomplished couple of these tasks with a really bad back which is yet to heal completely and VVS appeared like a man on a mission and refusing to cave in looking completely focused and in a zone giving one a feeling that the result was never in doubt. I think a lot of people here on this forum got what exactly the poll meant and overwhelmingly voted in favor of VVS being the absolute best in pressure situations.

[zen]

heres a better criteria for you ... He hasnt scored any runs in the week after christmas partiularly on new yrs eve and new years day when the tide is high ( above 6 feet ) and the Shani graha is in a prominent position ... what a FTB we have ehhh :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

Taking your stats at their face value, 3 innings (including one against BD) since 2004 and 14 out of 176 tests makes him better than VVS in your book :giggle: Appears as if you are trying to prove that Sachin can play those innings once in a while too and not that he is better than VVS :hehe: Enough said about your mountain of stats. Is there a surprise that the poll reads 55 to 11 in facor of VVS :P

[HowardRoark]

What a shame that a thread that should have just praised Laxman for being the man for pressure situations, which would have been agreed by all with lot of praise for Laxman, unnecessarily found the necessity to drag Sachin into it, and in the end having one set of Indians digging stats to show Sachin can't take pressure and another set of Indians digging stats to prove Laxman is not the superman as he is made out to be, whereas the truth is that both these set of Indians love both Sachin and Laxman. For some of us, one cannot be praised standalone for what he is worth; unfortunately it is always at the expense of another.

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[zen]

Consider this piece of devil advocacy. Laxman comes in at No.6. By that time, should India be in trouble, he either looks a hero for bailing us out or he just gets thrown together with the rest of the side under general team batting failure. He can't lose. A more accurate verdict would be to say Laxman plays best when the Indian supporter is under intense pressure.

Are we assuming that Tendulkar cannot be in a 50/4 or 150/5, etc kind of a situation. And just because Laxman comes in at #5/#6, he automatically gets to perform in those situation. If that's the case then you must also realize that Ind would be in trouble because the likes of Tendulkar would have failed to deliver, no? Also don't forget the rescue act (his 281) Laxman did batting at #3 against Aus at Kol. Another interesting stat would be how many times the likes of Tendulkar has let India down, esp in cruch games and/or testing conditions, to create a situation where the likes of Laxman have to bail it out and vice versa!

[Jersey #10]

50 TEST CENTURIESnufff said there aint no comparison kids so stop whining

[pensionplan]

2. That Avg is misleading because of the not outs. If you go by the Runs made per inngs the difference is not that wide. This is further highlighted by the difference in no.of 100s they have in 2nd inngs i.e VVS has plenty of oppurtunity to make a decent score and remain not out.

Hmm because VVS has a higher average it is because of more Not Outs and if this was Tendulkar it would have been a case of running out of partners. Also how do you know if he came higher up in the order like at a No.3 or No.4 some of these Not outs would have resulted in bigger scores that would have maintained the average and at the same time upped his total number of runs and centuries.

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[zen]

:omg: some folks are now going back to the 1990s, which itself is a sign of withdrawal Those 1990s stats are hilarious in a way as going by the 1990s argument (a good batsman in a comparitively weak team), may be then the likes of Andy Flower played most of his innings knocks under high pressure and I gues most innings Sakib or MoYo plays would qualify for that too :giggle: Before coming to a debate one should know what to present :P