vaibhav_delhi Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Think its unfair to be criticize sree at present. He is bowling in very good rhythm , prolly deserved his place in the squad as much as any other pacer bar zaheer. can sometimes be erratic but has improved alot in his runup, rhythm and accuracy compared to 6 months back imo.
Ultimate_Game Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Let's do away with 3 pacer theory and stick to our strength which is spin. Let's play Zaheer, Munaf, Harbhajan and Ashwin as the specialist bowlers especially since Ashwin can bowl pretty well during power-plays.
retterimp Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 i thought he bowled well, batsmen clearly looked uncomfortable initially, till he lost the plot which is always a problem with him. he will always be the wildcard in this wc, i say keep him and use him in bursts: pace and swing. if he gets hit around for an over give him a break, he takes time to come back. tradeoff is going steady with 2 pacers/spinners or including sree. i say include sree. he can get wickets when you need them at crunch times, will be useful in pressure games when games get close. question is, does mgmt have faith in him to give him a spell at crucial times, moreover does sree have faith in himself to deliver?
rkt.india Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Sreesanth is the only bowler on our country at the moment who wants to pick wickets off every ball he bowls. That is his biggest strength. Some call it a weakness. The guy is a joy to watch on song. Lets not write him off. Instead, a kind word will help. FTR, his first 2 overs were good. He lost his plot after that. Even Zak loses the plot sometimes. But then, Sree needs to reach that level. This is international cricket...he cant pick up wicket on every ball...he needs to be more consistent...first he should throw the concept of picking up a wicket on very ball...it is not possible...even Mcgrath would say that..here someone needs temperament and to have patience..he is neither quick nor consistent in L&L..he bowls outswingers but if he keeps trying too much he won't go anywhere with that approach...
Hindustani Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Sreesanth has got the benefit of the doubt many times, may be it is good time he cools off for a season in domestic circuit after WC
shrapnel Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 harbhajan, gambhir, yuvraj and even zak - none of them are shining examples of good behaviour yet dhoni supports them because not only do they win games but more importantly they do not let their behaviour affect their performance. u must be joking saying hes the only wicket taking bowler, what do the others do then? lol Subtleties are lost on you as on Dhoni, I see. To put it in simpler words, Sreesanth bowls with passion and tries to get wickets on every ball he bowls. The other bowlers seem to be just going through the motions with the main aim of restricting the scoring rate; wickets, if they come by, seem like a bonus for them:rolleyes:
vamos_rafa Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 I think he was the pick of our bowlers in the warm up games and to an extent in SA as well. He started off pretty well against BD as well. He's that type of a bowler who would always go for wickets and hence can go for runs in the process as well. We should not be raising too much of a hue and cry over 1 such performance.
shrapnel Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 I think he was the pick of our bowlers in the warm up games and to an extent in SA as well. He started off pretty well against BD as well. He's that type of a bowler who would always go for wickets and hence can go for runs in the process as well. We should not be raising too much of a hue and cry over 1 such performance. +1
panesarv Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 He looked pretty dangerous. I'm sure he can get back into rhythm next match.
Sachin=GOD Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 I think he was the pick of our bowlers in the warm up games and to an extent in SA as well. He started off pretty well against BD as well. He's that type of a bowler who would always go for wickets and hence can go for runs in the process as well. We should not be raising too much of a hue and cry over 1 such performance. the thing is for how long can the Indian bowling line up continue to sustain a bowler who, on his day, may take a few important wickets but on all other days will most certainly go for lots and lots of runs and will get into altercations with opposition players on a regular basis and also needs the constant attention of the captain. As far as hue and cry over '1 such performance" is concerned, well, he has an economy rate of over 6 rpo in 52 ODIs - that means a lot of matches with "1 such performance" where he goes for plenty.
Sachin=GOD Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Sort Sree out or rethink strategy - Kumble OVERHAUL NEEDED The Kerala pacer needs to bowl wicket-to-wicket and India must check its fielding lapses It's still very early in the tournament but ndia need to get their bowling sorted. If they are looking to use Sreesanth up the order, then he has to get them wickets, otherwise, they need to rethink their bowling strategy. He was trying too much against Bangladesh and had a very poor game. Perhaps, his thinking was that with 370 on the board, he could experiment somewhat, but this is the World Cup, you have to bowl smartly and not give away anything you can avoid giving away. Munaf actually, and Zak, were very good examples of how a faster bowler needed to bowl -you have to bowl wicket to wicket and make it so it's just not easy to score runs. If you frustrate the batsmen and put them under pressure, in this situation, they'll make mistakes. I'm not sure what India's bowling strategy was and how bad Nehra's sore back is, but they have to seriously look at getting a second spinner into the XI. Bangladesh is a decent team at home, young and enthusiastic, but they were not seriously expected to stretch India, which they didn't, thanks to the runs on the board courtesy Sehwag and Kohli. But unless there is a dramatic improvement in the overall bowling and fielding, India might have bigger problems against teams with stronger and more consistent batting line-ups. ONLY 2 ASSOCIATES Meanwhile, the other two games we got to see over the weekend went along expected lines, with New Zealand creating a few records against a Kenya looking out of their depth, and Sri Lanka, waltzing to victory against hapless Canada. I've said this on air too, but I do believe that we should really look at giving only the two best Associate teams an opportunity to play in something like the World Cup -so 12 instead of 14 teams. One-day cricket isn't like the T20s, where it's not just about skill and it's much shorter, so Associate teams can compete much better. At the same time, Associates also need to play some top-flight competition regularly, not just once in four years, to help them get quality experience and the confidence that comes with that experience. For that, the ICC needs to look at a sensible programme that considers two things: `A' teams of the top-level countries and geographical proximity. I'll explain this. Most top countries like India, Australia, England, Sri Lanka and South Africa also have very strong second XIs, the 'A' teams. WIN-WIN SITUATION Both benefit from this arrangement: Associate nations get quality opposition and `A' team players get the opportunity to turn out for their country in international competition. The ICC could also look to use the fact that every country is not playing constantly. Perhaps, you could have Kenya and Zimbabwe play a few games in South Africa, Ireland and the Netherlands, go across to England or Canada, travel to the West Indies on exposure trips. In any World Cup, we'll probably get the odd upset, a big team having a bad day and a minnow taking glorious advantage, but for the most, if we want a tight, quality competition, we need it to be an even playing field. Link
vamos_rafa Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 the thing is for how long can the Indian bowling line up continue to sustain a bowler who, on his day, may take a few important wickets but on all other days will most certainly go for lots and lots of runs and will get into altercations with opposition players on a regular basis and also needs the constant attention of the captain. As far as hue and cry over '1 such performance" is concerned, well, he has an economy rate of over 6 rpo in 52 ODIs - that means a lot of matches with "1 such performance" where he goes for plenty. Agreed with the fact that his economy rate is all crap. But with 1 such performance, I meant his recent performance. Off late in the last 2-3 series he has been bowling well. Yes he does go for runs and that too in aplenty but he's definitely worth persisting with.
retterimp Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 ^ kumble's article I'm a nobody in front of Kumble and respect his opinions a lot, but isnt he overreacting here by saying "you have to bowl wicket to wicket and make it so it's just not easy to score runs." sree's strength is giving that little extra, pacewise. we don't want to make another trundler out of sree, we have plenty of those. this is the problem with our mgmt and seniors, they don't seem to trust the fast bowling talent, always telling them to bowl within their limits. i cant imagine an aus or saf captain saying that, they'll get flamed for that. just like how imran used to tell their bowlers to go all out for pace and not worry too much if they get hit around. obviously there's a limit to how many runs they can go for, but sree deserves another chance.
acharya Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 sree is not an odi bowler - on batting pitches he would be taken for cleaners
vamos_rafa Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 sree is not an odi bowler - on batting pitches he would be taken for cleaners There are a very few bowlers who are not sent to the cleaners on such type of wickets.
rkt.india Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 ^ kumble's article I'm a nobody in front of Kumble and respect his opinions a lot, but isnt he overreacting here by saying "you have to bowl wicket to wicket and make it so it's just not easy to score runs." sree's strength is giving that little extra, pacewise. we don't want to make another trundler out of sree, we have plenty of those. this is the problem with our mgmt and seniors, they don't seem to trust the fast bowling talent, always telling them to bowl within their limits. i cant imagine an aus or saf captain saying that, they'll get flamed for that. just like how imran used to tell their bowlers to go all out for pace and not worry too much if they get hit around. obviously there's a limit to how many runs they can go for, but sree deserves another chance. But he isn't out and out fast bowler...135KPH is not fast by any means which he bowls....it was a different story if he would have been bowling at 145kph or more...but his forte is not pace..its the outswingers he bowls and he needs to concentrate there....and set a line for that
rkt.india Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 i was reading the commentary on cricinfo and saw the speeds sreesanth was bowling on in the match against bangladesh and it was crazy.... eg:: 4.3 Sreesanth to Imrul Kayes, FOUR, 139.6 kph, Mirpur roars! Sree bangs it short from over the wicket and Kayes seemed to be expecting it. He was back in a flash and swiped it with a mighty swing of the bat through square leg. Very nearly a six. Astounding hit. 9.2 Sreesanth to Tamim Iqbal, 1 run, 135.6 kph, slightly short, there's width on offer, chopped hard but straight to deep point 2.2 Sreesanth to Imrul Kayes, no run, 135.0 kph, good line, not much Kayes can do with this, lands back of a length at decent pace around middle and off, Kayes goes back and punches defensively to mid off That must be like this...they too had typo here
zen Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Against good batting teams, you need to go for wkts. You cannot hope to pick wkts by only by containing the opponent. It can work in T20s but more often than not, it won't in ODIs as it is improbable for each and every bowler to bowl accurately (and that too each and every ball) Even if a team is 150-160 (around 5 an over) at around 30 overs mark, if it has wkts in hand, it can reach 300 or even more. In the power-plays teams would be looking to score (and scoring) at 6 or more an over. In the first 15-20 overs, if a bowler bowls 5 overs for 40 and picks up say 2 wkts, then it's not bad as by giving 10-15 more runs, he has picked up 2 wkts vs someone who would bowl 5 overs for 25-30 runs and pick up no wkts ....The question would be is the captain willing to take the risk of picking 2 more wkts by giving away possible 15-20 more runs in the first 15 or so overs? Ind bowlers in Ind in last 12 months Interestingly Sree has a SR of 18! Other option would be to play an additional spinner as a part of 7+4 combination. While this option may look good on paper but taking a spinner's ER, who mainly bowls in the middle overs w/ the field spread out and the opponent looking to pick singles, and assuming that he would come up w/ similar ER if he bowls during power-plays might not be spot on. With the hard ball (or relatively hard ball), the spinner could struggle to get desirable turn, which would mean that he would resort to bowling line and length. The chances of 2 balls being slightly off length or line and the batsman playing through the line to hit them for a 4 or a 6 are pretty high! Also by bowling the spinner early on, we could be missing out on swing if we are bowling under lights and there is something for the swing bowlers. And by bowling many of the overs in PP, the spinner has used up some of his quota to bowling line and length when he could have used those overs in the middle overs when the ball is turning more favorably, the with field spread out, he would even flight the ball and basically look to pick up wkts There are so many factors, one has to consider. Merely keeping an eye on ER and being uni-dimensional in the thought process will not work for India.
CSK Fan Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Subtleties are lost on you as on Dhoni, I see. To put it in simpler words, Sreesanth bowls with passion and tries to get wickets on every ball he bowls. The other bowlers seem to be just going through the motions with the main aim of restricting the scoring rate; wickets, if they come by, seem like a bonus for them:rolleyes: Trying to get a wicket of every ball is liking trying to hit every ball for a boundary as a bartsman. Ain't going to happen. How come other passion less bowlers always pick up more wickets than Sree every match? Ypu are mistaking facial expressions and antics for passion and agression. Agression without brains will only make a player like Afridi, not Sachin, be it bowling or batting
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