desi pride 1234 Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Maybe you need to add a bait like make a statement saying "According to Holding Shoaib Akhtar uses Hyper Extension as an excuse to chuck". That would get you some reactions :haha: alright. i will just copy paste ...:two_thumbs_up:
Ultimate_Game Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 allright. i will just copy paste ...:two_thumbs_up: :two_thumbs_up:
Cricket Tragic Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Too many words. Not required. Keep it short and sweet. Shoaib chucks: Holding
Switchblade Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 85 people have visited in half hour and not even one response...:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Saw ur thread over there :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
rkt.india Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Folks we it's pretty well known that Akhtar was a chucker. Pls see this great analysis by Michael Holding and it's clear that Akhtar used Hyper Extension of elbow as an excuse for chucking... Since Pakis have "great respect" for Holding I wonder what their take is on this analysis "smiley: hyper extension is not chuckign sir ji that is what Holding is saying here. You may not believe but ICC had done a study on many a past and present bowlers in 2000 ICC trophy and they found most of the bowlers were bowling more than the allowed 5 degee bend in their elbows including Glenn Mcgrath and other good bowlers of that time. Mcgrath was chucking up to 12 degrees. After that ICC increased that limit to 15 degrees. This is the article of cricinfo I am talking about: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/141558.html
rkt.india Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 ICC study reveals that 99% of bowlers throw. Extensive research conducted by the International Cricket Council is set to reveal that 99% of bowlers in the history of cricket have been throwers. The study was undertaken in the wake of the furore surrounding Muttiah Muralitharan, whose doosra was banned earlier this year after Chris Broad, the match referee for the Tests against Australia, reported it to the ICC. "The scientific evidence is overwhelming," said Michael Holding, the possessor of one of the smoothest bowling actions in history, and a member of the six-man panel of former Test players who have been gathered in Dubai to investigate the issue. "When bowlers who, to the naked eye, look to have pure actions are thoroughly analysed ... they are likely to be shown as straightening their arm. Under a strict interpretation of the law, these players are breaking the rules. The game needs to deal with this reality and make its judgment as to how it accommodates this fact." According to Derek Pringle in the Daily Telegraph, Murali is no different from the vast majority of his fellow players. The current law states that there should be no straightening or partial straightening of the bowling arm during delivery, and in-depth research has revealed that even bowlers like Glenn McGrath and Shaun Pollock, usually considered examplars of the classical action, occasionally go over the prescribed tolerance limit, bending their arms by as much as 12 degrees. The tolerance levels had been set at five degrees for spinners, seven-and-a-half for medium-pacers, and ten for quick bowlers, a situation that invited much criticism from past greats such as Ian Chappell. But the study, conducted by three prominent biomechanics experts, suggests that the human eye can only detect a kink in the action if the straightening is more than 15 degrees. As Angus Fraser - another member of the six-man panel - wrote in The Independent, even the likes of Fred Trueman, Dennis Lillee, Curtly Ambrose, Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee, and Ian Botham were found to have exceeded the straightening-limit set by the ICC. The biomechanics men - Dr Marc Portus, Professor Bruce Elliott and Dr Paul Hurrion - used cameras shooting at 250 frames per second (ten times the speed of a TV camera) to illustrate phenomena such as adduction and hyper-extension, which can convince an observer watching with the naked eye that the bowler is chucking. Research was also undertaken during the ICC Champions Trophy in England, where it was found that 13 of the 23 bowlers filmed straightened their arms more than the current permissible levels. Ramnaresh Sarwan, he of the fairly innocuous legspin, was the only man observed who didn't straighten his arm at all. Based on these findings, the ICC is to extend the tolerance limit to 15 degrees for all bowlers, regardless of whether they bowl at Shane Warne's pace or Shoaib Akhtar's. Match officials will still be expected to note down suspicious actions, and pass on the information to the ICC. But unlike before, remedial action will now be the sole preserve of a new body to be set up to help bowlers with the rehabilitation process. It will include former Test bowlers and biomechanics experts, and they will have the authority to fail a bowler. Those exceeding the tolerance limit will be on probation for two years, rather than the current one, but subsequent offences will result in a 12-month ban. It remains to be seen, however, if such a system will be introduced at first-class level. The panel's proposals will now be considered by the ICC Chief Executives' Committee at its next meeting, currently scheduled for Melbourne, Australia, in February 2005. "The information and the recommendations provided by the Cricket Committee are valuable and important," said Malcolm Speed, the ICC's chief executive, "but this matter is still to be properly considered." "I would expect that there will be a full and healthy debate," Speed added, "as the people who run cricket in each country consider the proposals put forward and determine whether this option provides a better solution than the system currently in place." http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/141558.html
Sir_Afridi Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 No wonder Holding is bitter about Akhtar [ame= - Shoaib Akhtar Bouncer Brian Lara[/ame]
Midfielder Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 No wonder Holding is bitter about Akhtar Nobody is bitter here. Problem is that they had to bend the rules(pun intended) for Sohaib. He was a chucker and thats it. No body raised any question about Kapil or the other guy from across the border and questioned their action. Murali and Sohaib have skated unfailrly. That was a illegal delivery so I will not be proud of it.
rkt.india Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Nobody is bitter here. Problem is that they had to bend the rules(pun intended) for Sohaib. He was a chucker and thats it. No body raised any question about Kapil or the other guy from across the border and questioned their action. Murali and Sohaib have skated unfailrly. That was a illegal delivery so I will not be proud of it. read the article i posted above..even MCgrath and Pollock chucked more than the limits.
Midfielder Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 read the article i posted above..even MCgrath and Pollock chucked more than the limits. Never saw anything wrong with McGraths delivery. You are clueless.
rkt.india Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Never saw anything wrong with McGraths delivery. You are clueless. I am not clueless..ICC study says that...who am I to claim anything...read the article i posted above on the same page. I didn't about this too and had a discussion with some about Murli's action and legality..then that one gave me this and there was no reason to to believe it. Read this and you will know. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte...ry/141558.html
nsareen Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 don't understand why are we talking about this useless baseless stuff in Varun Aaron's thread.... Tell me will Varun cross 150 barrier in this IPL ??? If yes we need to be happy about him and not discuss about mcgraths, akhtars, they are past now. move on.
hari504504 Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 read the article i posted above..even MCgrath and Pollock chucked more than the limits. Mc.Grath has seemed a lil dodgy at times.. but I always thought Pollock's action was as clean as they get - wonder how does he manage to chuck with that already weird action
Ultimate_Game Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 hyper extension is not chuckign sir ji that is what Holding is saying here. You may not believe but ICC had done a study on many a past and present bowlers in 2000 ICC trophy and they found most of the bowlers were bowling more than the allowed 5 degee bend in their elbows including Glenn Mcgrath and other good bowlers of that time. Mcgrath was chucking up to 12 degrees. After that ICC increased that limit to 15 degrees. This is the article of cricinfo I am talking about: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/141558.html Haan bhai mere ko pata hai. But what Holding is saying is that Akhtar is using hyper extension as an EXCUSE to chuck. Don't shoot the messenger as it's Michael Holding's opinion.
Retard Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Saeed Ajmal is bending his arm beyond 15 degrees , it means technically his checking the ball and no one even bothered about it. Micheal holding pointed it out in todays game between west indies vs pakistan
Sir_Afridi Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Saeed Ajmal is bending his arm beyond 15 degrees ' date=' it means technically his checking the ball and no one even bothered about it. Micheal holding pointed it out in todays game between west indies vs pakistan[/quote'] Holding was also discussing about how India is destroying cricket. Care to elaborate on that topic??:--D
satyam1729 Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Holding was also discussing about how India is destroying cricket. Care to elaborate on that topic??:--D So you are proud that your players are cheat. Well your avatar is Afridi.:giggle::giggle:
Ultimate_Game Posted April 26, 2011 Posted April 26, 2011 So you are proud that your players are cheat. Well your avatar is Afridi.:giggle::giggle: Don't even go there! After India's WC triumph Pakis claim Test is the "real" format but their idol is Afridi who himself claimed he can't hack it in Tests :cantstop: Talk about self pawnage :hysterical:
Midfielder Posted April 26, 2011 Posted April 26, 2011 Holding was also discussing about how India is destroying cricket. Care to elaborate on that topic??:--D Yes! He does not understand the new world order. WI is not dominant and he laments that. India is on top of the hill and that pisses him off. Who cares. Just get used to it, we are bigger better and beat the crud out of everyone, just get used to it. No more crying after cricket matches, does not look nice. Fact: India is on top. Fact: Pakistan is at bottom. Fact: Pakistan is bragging about its spin attack. What the heck is wrong with this world?
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