yoda Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Greatness in cricket is still measured by averages, and not cumulative stats gained over longer careers. I am not sure why, but that's the way it's been. When Gavaskar scored 10k runs, it was great, but still 99.4 towered above. Same with test centuries record. Tendulkar with his massive massive career cumulative stats has done his best to overcome the mighty 99.94, but to me it still towers.
CSK Fan Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 why??? Has'nt this issue already been settled in favor of Goddy :--D Just to annoy some of 'those' guys
CSK Fan Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Greatness in cricket is still measured by averages' date= and not cumulative stats gained over longer careers. I am not sure why, but that's the way it's been. When Gavaskar scored 10k runs, it was great, but still 99.4 towered above. Same with test centuries record. Tendulkar with his massive massive career cumulative stats has done his best to overcome the mighty 99.94, but to me it still towers. According to you bro, according to you You are also ignoring Sachin's amazing average against Bangladesh BTW, scoring 100s is not cumilative stats. 100s are when you score a century in a match, which means that iyou as a batsman conquered the bowling in that game. Most batsmen throughout their career do not reach even double figures in centuries. To call hundreds a cumulative record is saying that every batsmen can achieve X number of hundreds given enough games. If you agree to that, you do not understand the nature of cricket.
yoda Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 If you agree to that' date=' you do not understand the nature of cricket.[/quote'] Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't understand the nature of cricket. :winky:
pensionplan Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Well he is the best ever. Everyone knows that apart from fans of black and white films!Hmm...okay.
pensionplan Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Today only a handful of people consider Goddy to be the greatest of all time' date=' but that number is ever increasing, and will keep on increasing. In a few years, the Holy Grail of cricket will be the 100+ international centuries made by Goddy and NOT the 99.94 average of Don Bradman - that will be the day when the whole world will acknowledge Goddy as the greatest cricketer to have ever graced the game - and that day is not very far.[/quote']Were you a little drunk when you posted this?
Prakat Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 He is the left arm bowler who after bowling every ball pulls up his pants ... Elastic/drawstring technology was not as accomplished as it is today.
Ilarum Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Lets see a different point of view. What the current cricketer(CC) has to deal with. 1. The don faced only England...that too...either in AUS or ENG. CC has to travel...different places...different conditions, pitches. 2. Spin Factor: Don't believe the Don ever faced a barrage of quality spin bowling. 3. Fielding: No one can dispute that fielding during the don years was lax, compared to today's fielding standards...there is no doubt that his average would be far less just due to this fact. 4. Video Analysis: Every batsmen today is scrutinized for weaknesses in their technique. Plans are made and executed well. The don was never studied in such great detail. For once when the English came up with the plan of bowling short to intimidate him...his average fell by almost half to 56. Again, just imagine the possibilities of him scoring less with video analysis around. 5. Travel and expectations: How much do cricketers travel and play these days? Moreover, the sheer amount of pressure on Sachin is just out of this world. He carries the hopes of a billion people. On billboards, tv, radio...any form of media...it is all about Sachin. No one has carried this level of expectations on their shoulders except Sachin . I shudder to think what would happen to the Don if he has to deal with all of the above. 1. Wrong. He faced England, South Africa, West Indies and England and a few matches against NZ if Im not mistaken. Fact about the pitches, todays pitches are far more batsmen friendly. Honestly, if you have played on a cricket pitch you'd know how mighty difficult it is to play on an uncovered pitch. 2. Agree to somewhat. 3. Good point. 4. I could counter argue that Bradman did not get to video analyze bowlers of his time. 5. Him being pressurized by countrymen should not be a point in deciding his greatness. Also not many people recognize the importance of not playing with a helmet. Which is hwy I have immense respect for Sir Viv and all those other older cricketers. I seriously doubt if any one of today's batsmen would have this big averages if it wasn't for the helmet. How many of them would play on the backfoot, a bouncing ball, if their heads were not protected. All Im saying is, Sachin is great but Bradman is greater.
SachDan Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bendirs/2011/03/there_is_i_will_admit.html
vamos_rafa Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bendirs/2011/03/there_is_i_will_admit.html It was a nice read!! I also found one chu****'s comment there who compared Sachin with Ryan Giggs(Comment #22). Generally looking at the comments what I find is that there is not much of an acceptance in public of Sachin being the greatest of all sportsmen. Reasons being- 1) Cricket is not that famous a game worldwide. 2) Also, i think Cricket is too technically involved which IMO a novice can't really fathom.
someone Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 It was a nice read!! I also found one chu****'s comment there who compared Sachin with Ryan Giggs(Comment #22). Generally looking at the comments what I find is that there is not much of an acceptance in public of Sachin being the greatest of all sportsmen. Reasons being- 1) Cricket is not that famous a game worldwide. 2) Also, i think Cricket is too technically involved which IMO a novice can't really fathom. I will add something more obvious to that, the person legendness is only seen after he/she retires. The reason because that only when you start to value or understand his contributions. Meaning, if there is any upcoming players who breaks the records, automatically the record holder greatness goes down. But if no one else manages to do what the other person has done, more greatness is seen in that. So like Ali, no one has dominated boxing just like him, therefore people rate him more higher now than at that time. The same can happen will current players after they retire.
vamos_rafa Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 I will add something more obvious to that, the person legendness is only seen after he/she retires. The reason because that only when you start to value or understand his contributions. Meaning, if there is any upcoming players who breaks the records, automatically the record holder greatness goes down. But if no one else manages to do what the other person has done, more greatness is seen in that. So like Ali, no one has dominated boxing just like him, therefore people rate him more higher now than at that time. The same can happen will current players after they retire. Agreed. But then, there's a flip side to it as well. The acceptance of Federer as the greatest of them all. Agreed his numbers are also mind numbing but if you compare him to the overall 2nd highest grand slam winner the difference is actually 3! Agreed that winning even a single grand slam is a huge feat and 17 is like a godly figure but looking at the quality of Tennis that's on display, someone should be able to notch up that number. Also, for me the struggle for Roger actually began once Rafa came into the picture so before that it was more or less a big fish or small pond kind of a situation.(That's my opinion though) In contrast Sachin has 30 more centuries than his next contmporary!!. Its too huge a margin IMO.
Sachin=GOD Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Hmm...okay. Were you a little drunk when you posted this? Okay.
goose Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bendirs/2011/03/there_is_i_will_admit.html Everyone needs to read comment 49 in this blog.
SachDan Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/9443180.stm
Sachin=GOD Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Cricket World Cup: Sachin Tendulkar - myth or man? Suresh Menon To us he is no more a person Now but a whole climate of opinion Under whom we conduct our different lives." W H Auden, from his elegy to Sigmund Freud In India, Sachin Tendulkar ceased being a person long ago. To a small group of friends and colleagues, he is human with all the frailties that implies. But to the vast majority he is merely a figure on television, indistinguishable from characters such as Superman and Batman. Sachin Tendulkar The illusion is strengthened by the number of occasions he arrives when the team is in trouble and takes them to safety, whipping out his killer straight drive and unstoppable cover drive to deal with the enemy's vicious outswingers or off-breaks. When he does well his fans discover that life has meaning after all; when he fails occasionally they feel suicidal. Then he scores again and the wheel is set in motion once more. The cycle of birth and rebirth is never seen more clearly and more often than on the cricket fields of India. Auden's lines say it well. Being a non-person means that your ambitions are not your own. Others decide how many runs you should make before you retire. It is always the next milestone that is important. On the eve of the World Cup, the ambitions have crystallised. All Tendulkar's fans ask for is that India win the title, and that Tendulkar himself score his 100th international century. Currently he has with 51 centuries in Tests and 48 in one-day internationals. The next best combined aggregate is former Australian captain Ricky Ponting's 69. The adjective 'Bradmanesque' will have to be replaced by 'Tendulkarine' for the next generation. In two decades, Tendulkar has been both symbol of a resurgent India, the coming powerhouse, and one of the first sportsmen to benefit from the changed economic climate. Asked on his first tour of England in 1990 whether he found the endorsements a distraction, the 17-year-old replied: "I am aware it is the cricket that is bringing me these opportunities. If I neglect that, the other will slip away." Now, a few weeks short of his 38th birthday, as he prepares for his second final (after 2003) in his sixth World Cup, it is easy to imagine that even his rivals will be hoping he gets a century. For Tendulkar is that rare sportsman, one who is worshipped beyond boundaries as much for what he brings to the game as a batsman as for his demeanour as a person. "When fans call you 'God'," said the Sri Lankan great Muthiah Muralitharan, "it is difficult not to believe it yourself, but Sachin is the most grounded person I know." The campaign to award the nation's highest civilian honour to a sportsman might reek of cuteness anywhere else, but in India there is no embarrassment in suggesting that Tendulkar be placed in the same category as the great leaders, scientists and social workers. This could well be Tendulkar's last World Cup, but will it also be his last one-day international? It is a format of the game that he caused to burst into life again with a double century against South Africa last year and by taking India, the nerve centre of the game, into the final of the World Cup. Like Alexander the Great, he has no more worlds to conquer, goes one argument. Tendulkar's injured body parts have been discussed more ardently than Cleopatra's nose. Since he was a boy of 16, international cricket is the only thing Tendulkar has known. His idea of relaxation after a cricket match is to play more cricket matches. He is willing to bat anywhere. At international stadiums, neighbourhood parks, even in his drawing room in the days when his children were growing up and were pressed into service as bowlers. Can such a man walk away into the sunset merely because he has achieved everything?
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