Australia can't waste talent like India: Greg Chappell

[youngindia]

He is wrong' date=' we dont have lots of bowling reserve talent.. we only have a strong batting pool[/quote'] you have to keep in mind the context. he is talking in terms of a vision for australian cricket. 'vision' essentially means for the future. as for lack of bowling talent,that's precisely the point. we can Afford to be a bit ineffcient and still win a wc. sl for exampe is finding batting depth difficult to attain to match our 7 man lineup.

[Patriot_Nikhil]

LINK Chappell and four other Cricket Australia officials had visited the US to study the functioning of two American teams - the Boston Red Sox and the University of Texas football team - and explore, among other things, the way they identified and nurtured talented players.

That explains the Red Sox's woeful 2-9 start!!! :(( This guy is a complete anti-Midas... Keep him out like the plague... :whack:

[Chandan]

If India has a large population, doesn't mean automatically that the talent pool will be large! What is the population of England? And compare its talent pool-- it has 18 counties and each county has first XI as well second XI teams along with the age group teams, several clubs playing 4 day games etc... Does India even have as many cricketers identified? But even identified, prigies do get lost in India as Dilip Premchandran has written here: Indian cricket's also-rans Dileep Premachandran Apr 15, 2011 On Wednesday night, most cricket watchers in India, and quite a few around the world, were asking the question: Paul who? There had been incredulous stares when Adam Gilchrist decided to open the Kings XI Punjab innings with himself and an unheralded right-hander. The target was 189, and it seemed that only a Gilchrist special could save his team from a second successive Indian Premier League (IPL) defeat. The Kings XI captain made 19 from 15 balls. His partner finished unbeaten on 120 from 63 balls. More than a decade after he had excited some of the Mumbai old-timers with his shot-making ability, Paul Valthaty saw his name up in lights. He was at least guaranteed 15 minutes of fame. Valthaty's story is a reminder that for every Sachin Tendulkar, there are dozens that cannot stay the course. His great friend, Vinod Kambli, averaged 54 from his 17 Tests, but after a harrowing examination at the hands of the West Indian pace bowlers in 1994/95, he was pushed to the fringes. He played his last Test at the age of 23. The generation before Tendulkar had Maninder Singh, a left-arm spinner once seen as the heir apparent to Bishan Singh Bedi, and Laxman Sivaramakrishan, a leg-spinner best remembered for 19 wickets in his first two home Tests (against England) and a gorgeous leg break that had Pakistan's Javed Miandad stumped in the final of the World Championship of Cricket in 1985. Sivaramakrishan played his last Test at 20 and wasn't seen in one-day colours after his 22nd birthday. The man who pulled off the stumping, Sadanand Viswanath, too had a similar fate, a career that was derailed by drink and depression caused by the death of his parents. Maninder lasted a while longer, suffering the yips in his early 20s, but coming back a few years later before being dumped for a new wave led by Anil Kumble. Only fleeting images remain of their talent, and it is tempting to wonder how much more they might have achieved with a Gary Kirsten or Paddy Upton to put an arm around the shoulder. "People said I was lacking in discipline, attitude and determination," said Kambli, when I last spoke to him. "How would I have made [Test] double-hundreds without those qualities? I couldn't even afford a bat. "There was no money to travel to play cricket. Whatever I achieved, I owe it to my coach, Ramakant Achrekar. "He used to give me money, even bought my train pass. The travel was the worst part. I used to go from my place in Kanjurmarg to Shivaji Park or wherever in such crowded trains. I used to leave home at five in the morning and get back home at 1am." At the turn of the millennium, Valthaty was on the cusp of making it big. Mumbai's selectors were watching and in 2002, he was part of an Under 19 World Cup squad that included the likes of wicketkeeper Parthiv Patel - who made his India debut, mere months later - and Irfan Pathan, the medium pacer. Valthaty started the tournament with a half-century against Canada and though he failed with the bat against South Africa, his catch to dismiss Hashim Amla - Graeme Smith, Davey Jacobs and Ryan McLaren were also part of the team - was pivotal to India defending a modest total. Then, a huge setback. A game against Bangladesh that India were supposed to win comfortably, and a delivery that took off from a length to strike him under the eye. India lost, and would bow out in the semi-final. Valthaty's tournament was over, and his career on hold for the foreseeable future. It took him more than four years to finally get hold of the cherished Mumbai cap. But a one-day game against Baroda was all he would play. The next time he surfaced, it was with the Rajasthan Royals in the IPL last season. Having made little impact, he was moved on. But for Abhishek Nayar, the all-rounder who knew him from the days of struggle in Mumbai, it is doubtful whether Kings XI would have taken a chance on him. But they did, and Valthaty, at the age of 27, has an opportunity to resurrect what was once a richly promising career. Sports fans see the fame and the adulation. They seldom see the heartache. For every Ryan Giggs, there is a Lee Sharpe, who failed to live up to his potential and left Manchester United in his mid-twenties after winning eight caps for England. For every Lionel Messi, there's a Nii Odartey Lamptey, the Ghanaian was Player of the Tournament at the Under 17 World Cup in 1991, ahead of Juan Sebastian Veron and Alessandro del Piero. Pele reckoned he might be the next big thing. But after brief spells of success in Belgium, Netherlands and England, he faded away, wandering the world as an itinerant footballer before settling down to breed cattle on the outskirts of Accra. For prodigies, so thin are the margins between success and failure, between triumph and despair. -------------------------- Why can't Indian system become efficient too? Why can't we identify our talent early and then give them the best chance to prove themselves at every level? Why do we waste talent?

[achilles]

He's right in a way. Instead of allowing guys like Pathan, Ishant etc to mature and develop a few years in domestic cricket, A tours etc the selectors just throw them into the test side full time and expect them to perform instead of allowing them to grow. Some of the bowlers we've had don't even fully understand their own bowling, fitness techniques etc yet they're expected to understand how to get top batsmen out? Doesn't make much sense.

But isn't there a proper way to communicate? He could've articulately said the same thing. He hasn't. Hence I reiterate, horrendous choice of words.

[WC2011INDIA]

Well....Paul Valthaty is a talent the Indian selectors clearly didn't recognize early enough. I am sure there are several others.

[vvvslaxman]

Well....Paul Valthaty is a talent the Indian selectors clearly didn't recognize early enough. I am sure there are several others.

That is true. We have some moronic players like Arjun Yadav.

[youngindia]

If India has a large population' date=' doesn't mean automatically that the talent pool will be large! [/quote'] In a game which has big public interest and participation and strong international presence and tradition in the country,yes. we are bound to have a large talent pool. its just logistics just like how we have a huge economy and army. In game like boxing where we have secondary interest, a boxing powerhouse like cuba has 60000 trained boxers compared to around 12000 indian(by mani shankar aiyar former sports minister). 50+ million. its counties are choosing from a player pool of a smaller population remember.hence they will struggle to find 11 decent players. TN itself has clsoe to that population. you see that nz often plays bits and pieces cricketers more than others.why? its popualtion is way too small and they struggle to put 11 competitive cricketers on field.howeever they are rich and very efficient nevertheless. infact NZ commentators are urging to take advantage of immigrants so that talented indians and pakistanis fill the spots lke england. in cricket, yes. in many other sports, no. The complexity of providing services and harnessing the power of 20 million popualtion is much less than providing the same for a 1 billion! if you can optimally make use of a 1 billion manpower, you are a superpower basically! plus socio economic factors and quality of administration. we get admins and players from society. In australia, superior socio economic factors ensure 1. state provides good facilities ,programs and services to its popualtion.they also ave wide reach to towns and villages. 2. disposable income ensures parents give quality support to their children.i saw an interview of mcdermott where he said his parents gave him the best to become a cricketer. 3.australian public are very intersted in sport and take advantge of facilities provided. 4. australian system is a well oiled machine with quality facilities and programs that does not let talent slip by easily. our socio economic backwardness and poor administrators will ensure inefficiency will last for some time to come. example, they have been clueless about bowling /fielding for 70 years! australian adminsitrators would have ensured that quality bowling and fielding expertise is passed wide and far into the cities, towns and villages. instead they set up mrf which is supposed to be a magic factory producing fast bowlers out of nowhere! the right talent has to come first into a facility like mrf or NCA first.for this basic step, our admnistrators have little clue or unwillingness to do the hard yards. better quality is likely to come from a larger talent pool its important to cast the net far and wide into the remotest villages.and as a second step ensure the right people are identified from this large pool.

[Chandan]

It'll be interesting to see how Australia manages players like Phil Hughes, Khwaja, Hastings, McKay, Smith and other youngsters!

[Roshanrocks]

Wonder why Greg has to choose the word "WASTE"

[CasualVisitor]

Seems like a complement on India's batting might. Let's take it in our strides. Sent from my X10i TripNMiUI using Tapatalk

[vijay810]

Many players dont even get a look in....some do even despite string of failures Manoj Tiwari and Raydu along with Abhishek Jhunjhunwala and Stuart binny are some examples along Paul Valhaty. Wheras players like Rohit sharma Ravindra Jadeja , Kartik keep on getting chance after chance

[Shrimal]

true

[Sooda]

He's right in a way. Instead of allowing guys like Pathan, Ishant etc to mature and develop a few years in domestic cricket, A tours etc the selectors just throw them into the test side full time and expect them to perform instead of allowing them to grow. Some of the bowlers we've had don't even fully understand their own bowling, fitness techniques etc yet they're expected to understand how to get top batsmen out? Doesn't make much sense.

Aye. Were lucky because of a strong middle order batsmen like Pujara and to a lesser extent Kohli are allowed to play a few seasons of domestic cricket and tour with the A team and dont have to learn their trade at international level. Raina had to go back to domestic cricket after a bright start because he too was shunted in far too early. RPS too...hope Unadkat has not taken a step backwards because the SA tour

[yoda]

He is correct on the batting front and regarding bowling we do waste talent there as well, only after we pick them in the team, namely Ishant, RPS, Irfan, Bala. Yes Bala got injured, Irfan lost is swing, Ishant lost his pace, RPS just lost everything. It is the job of the coaching staff/infrastructure to make sure we don't keep losing talent like that.