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Thanks tdawg. :) Fear, is indeed a figment of my imagination. Only Love exists.
Don't quite agree with that...the way I see it, we live in a relative universe - for love to exist there must be something that is not love...what is known as fear. Basically love and fear are just relative qualities our mind manifests. What "exists" is just feeling...this feeling is understood/experienced as love or fear or not love or fearlessness by the mind. If you go beyond the mind's experience then you experience the "feeling" as just that - an is-ness which is devoid of love, fear, or anything else. That is the state of bliss...an experience of the soul not the mind
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Tdigi, if I am not wrong you seem to be skeptical because you perceive that what is being presented by Flamy is that there exists a spiritual world which is not the world that we live in or experience day to day. Consider a different perspective (and this one will appeal to your scientific mind as well) - there exists only one world/universe. What is being characterized as the "spiritual" world is not different from this world, neither does it exist outside this world. It exists just like our day-to-day world exists. So, why do we not perceive it like we perceive the everyday world? Simple, because our everyday perceptive levels are limited (for ex we perceive only a minute range of visible light so we can't see something that is next to us if it is not within our limits of perception. Another ex - our hearing is only 20-20k Hz but sounds exist beyond that range and so many other animals can hear them...we can't. Our human density is of a certain degree so we can feel quantities in a particular range - there might be huge organisms enwrapping us but their densities must be such that we don't feel them at all. There sure are minute organisms we can't feel but they live inside us. And so on...) And so the question is, what is the source of our perception? It is the mind. While some physical-only scientists may deny the existence of the mind/consciousness and argue that the brain = mind (or mind = what the brain does), it is pretty much more likely that the mind is a tool of consciousness that exists beyond the brain. It is a quantity that may not be felt/measured like the brain. What happens in the brain is a manifestation of the mind. Now, what Aya or plain meditation can do is to let you open your consciousness (mind) up such that you broaden the limits of your perception. And when you do so, then you start perceiving things around you that you never thought existed. This is what we call the spiritual world or "higher" world. But that world always existed, not alongside, but as a continuous world with our "everyday" world. It's just that our mind created a range of perceptive consciousness in which the infinite continuum could not be experienced, and for good reason.

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Don't quite agree with that...the way I see it, we live in a relative universe - for love to exist there must be something that is not love...what is known as fear. Basically love and fear are just relative qualities our mind manifests. What "exists" is just feeling...this feeling is understood/experienced as love or fear or not love or fearlessness by the mind. If you go beyond the mind's experience then you experience the "feeling" as just that - an is-ness which is devoid of love, fear, or anything else. That is the state of bliss...an experience of the soul not the mind
It is Peace, Love and Happiness First is the Peace, the nothingness. Then is Love, the openness. And from this, there is Happiness. After that there is the Mind. :) And the rest. When it is referred to as such, the Mind is instantly determined to be the villain. But, it is not so. It is just a very playful and beautiful manifestation of Source. Gifted with intelligence. And all that results because of it. Like Fear. An Illusion. And yet, very much the Source. What happens when the Mind shuts down is we experience the path home, the Original feelings we all were born with, that we all manifested as. Until we begin to think about it.
Tdigi, if I am not wrong you seem to be skeptical because you perceive that what is being presented by Flamy is that there exists a spiritual world which is not the world that we live in or experience day to day. Consider a different perspective (and this one will appeal to your scientific mind as well) - there exists only one world/universe. What is being characterized as the "spiritual" world is not different from this world, neither does it exist outside this world. It exists just like our day-to-day world exists. So, why do we not perceive it like we perceive the everyday world? Simple, because our everyday perceptive levels are limited (for ex we perceive only a minute range of visible light so we can't see something that is next to us if it is not within our limits of perception. Another ex - our hearing is only 20-20k Hz but sounds exist beyond that range and so many other animals can hear them...we can't. Our human density is of a certain degree so we can feel quantities in a particular range - there might be huge organisms enwrapping us but their densities must be such that we don't feel them at all. There sure are minute organisms we can't feel but they live inside us. And so on...) And so the question is, what is the source of our perception? It is the mind. While some physical-only scientists may deny the existence of the mind/consciousness and argue that the brain = mind (or mind = what the brain does), it is pretty much more likely that the mind is a tool of consciousness that exists beyond the brain. It is a quantity that may not be felt/measured like the brain. What happens in the brain is a manifestation of the mind. Now, what Aya or plain meditation can do is to let you open your consciousness (mind) up such that you broaden the limits of your perception. And when you do so, then you start perceiving things around you that you never thought existed. This is what we call the spiritual world or "higher" world. But that world always existed, not alongside, but as a continuous world with our "everyday" world. It's just that our mind created a range of perceptive consciousness in which the infinite continuum could not be experienced, and for good reason.
Thanks for this, Vijay. I might have given a skewed impression by presenting my experiences as having taken place in some "other world". Other dimensions makes it more clear.
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I have no issues with people believing/experiencing in spiritual world / super-consciousness.. but its not right to say that physical world is just illusion and spiritual world/super-consciousness is the ultimate reality. It is not much different from saying - my god is better than your god. Besides it is extremely difficult to deny/disprove that spiritual experiences are mere experiences of the physical brain...motivated by hidden(or explicit) fear of death, desire of existing forever ( in some form), desires of nirvana....etc. On the other hand - I do like the concept that, the way we perceive the world is because that is the way we are taught to from the childhood. Very often we wonder what children see/perceive in cartoons, or random/absurd figures....they don't know what is a triangle/circle/line/apple/bowl/mountains/leaves, until we train them to identify those figures... And over the long period, we get trained to see/identify only these figures - (and filter anything else) - which are important for survival of our physical body...e.g. if we are not taught to identify cliffs, moving cars, snakes... we will not attempt to avoid them and it will decrease chances of our survival (our physical bodies)....if we are not taught to identify food/nourishment.. that will also reduce our chances of survival. But then, it is also difficult to prove that there is any part of us ( what people call consciousness) - that exists outside the life-cycle of our physical existence....unless someone can provide evidence of interacting with other conscious beings of the past, which do not exist physically anymore. And, if we can not access the knowledge base of that spiritual world and apply (visibly ) to the physical world, then it has no relevance/use in this physical world.. and it does not matter whether you experience that world or not.. So, while you are in this physical world - make most of the experiences here...as you for sure know, your physical existence in this world is definitely limited... jab spiritual world mein entry hoyegi, tab kee tab dekhenge.

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I have no issues with people believing/experiencing in spiritual world / super-consciousness.. but its not right to say that physical world is just illusion and spiritual world/super-consciousness is the ultimate reality. It is not much different from saying - my god is better than your god.
Did someone on this thread say that? It certainly is not where I'm coming from. I mentioned the same in a post above. Authenticity and Presence is the ultimate reality. Being completely in this moment, and being totally honest about whatever it is that you are noticing - a feeling, a thought, the world. That may be the message you get from some "spiritual" circles. It is not my Truth. How can this physical reality be not spiritual? How can my body not be sacred? Taking a dump, appreciating my wonderful body getting rid of toxins - that is as sacred as anything else. None of this is an illusion. All I'm saying is it is not the complete picture, so to speak. Maybe, that is what prompted you to interpret it the way you did.
Besides it is extremely difficult to deny/disprove that spiritual experiences are mere experiences of the physical brain...motivated by hidden(or explicit) fear of death, desire of existing forever ( in some form), desires of nirvana....etc.
Denying/Disproving/Proving does not come into picture for me at all. Like tdigi mentioned above, you won't know until you experience it for yourself. That's the truth about Truth. Growing up in India, I sure heard many many times about how God is within each of us. It didn't register at all. And now, I look back and see that those were just words. It didn't make sense until I experienced my own divinity. I see where you are coming from. From a personal perspective, I have not been afraid of death for some years now. I have a fear of insanity, not death. It is not because "I live forever anyway in some other form". I simply see death as a natural process like evaporation. I will acknowledge that a part of my subconscious mind could be seeking solace from a desire of living forever. However, that is not how it rings true with me (I am not my mind). The bigger Truth for me is simply the inner knowing, a heart-knowing of the tapestry of life and death, inhaling and exhaling, expanding and shrinking, imploding and exploding. Energy and Consciousness. Shakti and Shiva. And the beauty of it all. :)
And, if we can not access the knowledge base of that spiritual world and apply (visibly ) to the physical world, then it has no relevance/use in this physical world.. and it does not matter whether you experience that world or not..
I have visibly applied what I have learned in my experiences to my life. People on this board itself have seen how much I have changed. People who have met me in real life know the changes in me, the growth. Aya has helped me tremendously with my job, my connections with others, my acute perception of things, my heightened empathic acumen and the free flow of Love in my life. Mama has opened my heart. I have visibly seen my friend of 5 years change in front of my very eyes. A cynical, life-hating bastard becoming a serial-hugger with Love radiating from every pore of his body. Mama definitely opened his heart that was iron-clad shut.
So, while you are in this physical world - make most of the experiences here...as you for sure know, your physical existence in this world is definitely limited... jab spiritual world mein entry hoyegi, tab kee tab dekhenge.
:hatsoff: Totally agree. This is why I mentioned in a previous post about how austerity and asceticism simply does not make sense to me. I abhor a "spiritual path" that has the practitioner run away into the Himalayas and lose contact with the beauty of the world and its inhabitants. That simply does not resonate with me. I have manifested into this physical form for the express purpose of experiencing physical reality. Denying this would mean a huge disservice to my own soul.
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A lesson in the inner feminine for me. Wow, just wow. The Masculine respects the Feminine unconditionally. Just as the Feminine trusts the Masculine unconditionally. I am blessed. This is Kairos.

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Did someone on this thread say that? It certainly is not where I'm coming from. I mentioned the same in a post above. Authenticity and Presence is the ultimate reality. Being completely in this moment, and being totally honest about whatever it is that you are noticing - a feeling, a thought, the world. That may be the message you get from some "spiritual" circles. It is not my Truth. How can this physical reality be not spiritual? How can my body not be sacred? Taking a dump, appreciating my wonderful body getting rid of toxins - that is as sacred as anything else. None of this is an illusion. All I'm saying is it is not the complete picture, so to speak. Maybe, that is what prompted you to interpret it the way you did. Denying/Disproving/Proving does not come into picture for me at all. Like tdigi mentioned above, you won't know until you experience it for yourself. That's the truth about Truth. Growing up in India, I sure heard many many times about how God is within each of us. It didn't register at all. And now, I look back and see that those were just words. It didn't make sense until I experienced my own divinity. I see where you are coming from. From a personal perspective, I have not been afraid of death for some years now. I have a fear of insanity, not death. It is not because "I live forever anyway in some other form". I simply see death as a natural process like evaporation. I will acknowledge that a part of my subconscious mind could be seeking solace from a desire of living forever. However, that is not how it rings true with me (I am not my mind). The bigger Truth for me is simply the inner knowing, a heart-knowing of the tapestry of life and death, inhaling and exhaling, expanding and shrinking, imploding and exploding. Energy and Consciousness. Shakti and Shiva. And the beauty of it all. :) I have visibly applied what I have learned in my experiences to my life. People on this board itself have seen how much I have changed. People who have met me in real life know the changes in me, the growth. Aya has helped me tremendously with my job, my connections with others, my acute perception of things, my heightened empathic acumen and the free flow of Love in my life. Mama has opened my heart. I have visibly seen my friend of 5 years change in front of my very eyes. A cynical, life-hating bastard becoming a serial-hugger with Love radiating from every pore of his body. Mama definitely opened his heart that was iron-clad shut. :hatsoff: Totally agree. This is why I mentioned in a previous post about how austerity and asceticism simply does not make sense to me. I abhor a "spiritual path" that has the practitioner run away into the Himalayas and lose contact with the beauty of the world and its inhabitants. That simply does not resonate with me. I have manifested into this physical form for the express purpose of experiencing physical reality. Denying this would mean a huge disservice to my own soul.
Beautiful post:hatsoff:
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