punjabi_khota Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Interesting!! so is it wrong that if given a choice my son would rather play for India than play for England baring in mind he was born in England' date=' plays for for a very English team probably will go on to play county cricket but still takes is inspiration from our boys in blue![/quote'] How will he qualify to play for india ?
Lurker Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 I wasnt even born in Aus and still support the Aussies in all other sports except cricket. Even in cricket I dont support them only when they play India. If I stay here for long enough then Im sure my kids would be supporting Australia n thats the way it should be. As the Gen X would say - Word! It is not that complicated folks, people move away from their place or birth for one reason only - to improve their own life and those of their family/kids/siblings. And the nation that provides them the oppertunity should be given the due respect. You can not move to country X and support Y which you have already admitted was second best. I do understand the confusion for First Generation migrants as to start supporting a new country overnight. But the 2nd generation folks should have no such reasons. Personally it perplexes me when I see 2nd, and 3rd generation British Indians referring to India as "our" team. Its not. By the by someone made a comment on British never settling in India during colonial days. Thats dead on too. That, not settling in India, is one reason why Brits were never more than invaders. They rarely settled, rarely married, plundered India and took all the riches and very very rarely died and were buried in India. Very very different to say the mughal emperors who married and died in India. Would be nice to see modern day Brits look at that part of history and denounce it instead of harping on days of Raj when the sun didnt set on British empire. xxx
CricketGirl Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 How will he qualify to play for india ? he's not going to! but it doesnt stop him wanting to!! given a choice (which he doesnt have unless thing change over the yrs) he would rather play for India than England the closest chance he has is IPL and thats if he is good enough:two_thumbs_up:
CricketGirl Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 As the Gen X would say - Word! It is not that complicated folks, people move away from their place or birth for one reason only - to improve their own life and those of their family/kids/siblings. And the nation that provides them the oppertunity should be given the due respect. You can not move to country X and support Y which you have already admitted was second best. I do understand the confusion for First Generation migrants as to start supporting a new country overnight. But the 2nd generation folks should have no such reasons. Personally it perplexes me when I see 2nd, and 3rd generation British Indians referring to India as "our" team. Its not. By the by someone made a comment on British never settling in India during colonial days. Thats dead on too. That, not settling in India, is one reason why Brits were never more than invaders. They rarely settled, rarely married, plundered India and took all the riches and very very rarely died and were buried in India. Very very different to say the mughal emperors who married and died in India. Would be nice to see modern day Brits look at that part of history and denounce it instead of harping on days of Raj when the sun didnt set on British empire. xxx Hmmm see i beg to differ there.... see i support India and that will always be my first love but that doesnt mean i dont support England and being a member at an ECB registered club i dont think it would go down too well if i didnt support england, Junior on the other hand sees the Indian team as his own, takes his inspiration, he totally loves GG yuvi sachin raina for the players that they are rather than the country that they are from similarly he likes gilchrist, chris gayle, and more recently his local steve finn
gs Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 There you go, more rubbish. Why is it wrong to expect some allegiance from citizens who are born here What's your take on South African born players playing for the English, without whom blighty probably wouldn't even have a team?
CricketGirl Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 What's your take on South African born players playing for the English' date=' without whom blighty probably wouldn't even have a team?[/quote'] so true!!!!
Rajiv Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 My Iranian Born-Canadian Citizen-Supports Real Madrid woot?
Rajiv Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 What's your take on South African born players playing for the English' date=' without whom blighty probably wouldn't even have a team?[/quote'] ..goes to show English have large heart to accept people form outside and put them in national team
Alchemist Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 ..goes to show English have large heart to accept people form outside and put them in national team Not as large as Pakistani's though. :haha::haha::haha: On the topic, I think people should support the country they are born and raised in. As for me, I support US in every game they play, except when and if they play India.
Rajiv Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Not as large as Pakistani's though. :haha::haha::haha: On the topic, I think people should support the country they are born and raised in. As for me, I support US in every game they play, except when and if they play India. Sorry, but that is rubbish - you are free to support whoever you like
CricketGirl Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Sorry' date=' but that is rubbish - you are free to support whoever you like[/quote'] :dito:
daryl1985 Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 I think if your are Indian (or any other nationality for that matter) you are entitled to support who you choose out of England or India. Both my parents are ethnically Indian (Dad born in India before moving to Kenya at an early age and Mum born in Kenya). When i 1st got into cricket i didn't have sky and supported England. I used to always look out for India's score on teletext but i was not exactly a supporter. However, when i got Sky and was able to watch more India matches i gradually started to like them more and more. England's selection policy in recent years (particularly Morgan and Trott) annoyed me and drove me to support India a lot more than i supported England. I still support England against other teams (and in other sports) but India is my team in cricket. I even have a soft spot for Kenya cos my parents lived there.
Lurker Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Hmmm see i beg to differ there.... see i support India and that will always be my first love but that doesnt mean i dont support England and being a member at an ECB registered club i dont think it would go down too well if i didnt support england' date=' Junior on the other hand sees the Indian team as his own, takes his inspiration, he totally loves GG yuvi sachin raina for the players that they are rather than the country that they are from similarly he likes gilchrist, chris gayle, and more recently his local steve finn[/quote'] Look this is a dicey discussion because I certainly don't want to come across as a judgemental freak, and there should also be no reason why anybody should be defensive about which country, or sportsperson, they support either. That being said there are a couple of issues here: a) Legal. This is rather simple. If legally you are allowed to play for any country, like South Africans are for England, then there is no discussion really is there? b) Ethical. This is more of a grey area. To the point about Junior, and I dont know him or you, but most NRI kids that I know of tend to associate India with Bollywood and cricket and thats that. It is not exactly that these kids are head over heels about India trying to make a trip every 6 months. Chances are they make a trip every couple of years and even then the parents have to coax them into it. To think such kids support India in England, or even play for India just does not make sense. Now if the argument is that a person just likes the way some other player, or team, plays that is perfectly fine. I have supported Akram and Waqar in my day (not when they played India) but if I start supporting another country, say West Indies, because they have a few Hindu players that, to me, does not make sense. xxx
jonas10 Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 I wonder how wobbly feels about england relying on sa Irish Indian etc players born out of the country and on the ENGLISH team. India can take pride in fielding a team where everyone is born in India
wobblydoggy Posted July 29, 2011 Author Posted July 29, 2011 What's your take on South African born players playing for the English' date=' without whom blighty probably wouldn't even have a team?[/quote'] They have English lineage and most were brought up as kids in England
wobblydoggy Posted July 29, 2011 Author Posted July 29, 2011 I wonder how wobbly feels about england relying on sa Irish Indian etc players born out of the country and on the ENGLISH team. India can take pride in fielding a team where everyone is born in India I should bloody hope so with the size of your country:--D
Alchemist Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 I wonder how wobbly feels about england relying on sa Irish Indian etc players born out of the country and on the ENGLISH team. India can take pride in fielding a team where everyone is born in India Wrong. Robin Singh, a very useful allrounder and one of the best fielders for India was born in Trinidad and Tobago.
daryl1985 Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Wrong. Robin Singh, a very useful allrounder and one of the best fielders for India was born in Trinidad and Tobago. To be fair he is 100% ethnically indian and moved over to India when he was fairly young. I don't think birth is the be all and end all. If you move to a country when you are relatively young its fine to represent that country as far as i am concerned. I strongly disagree with ICFer's who say Strauss and Prior are not English.
Alchemist Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 To be fair he is 100% ethnically indian and moved over to India when he was fairly young. I don't think birth is the be all and end all. If you move to a country when you are relatively young its fine to represent that country as far as i am concerned. I strongly disagree with ICFer's who say Strauss and Prior are not English. Agree. It has to do something with were you were raised too.
Mariyam Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Wobbly my dear, don't be so pessimistic. Look at it this way, if it weren't for migrants from India, you would still be eating bland stuff like porridge, pedigree or whatever else that was common there. Its because of us that you can try the jalfrezis and the tandoori chicken. Also, if it weren't for the migrants, you'd still be listening to insipid music from the Beatles and Elton John. Now you can groove to Punjabi MC, B Sagoo, Sukhbir and Apache Indian. Freddy Mercury too. Wasn't it one of your literary greats, GB Shaw, who said that variety is the spice of life?
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