rkt.india Posted August 3, 2011 Posted August 3, 2011 http://www.3dsyndication.com/dna/article/DNBAN20135
ShanS Posted August 3, 2011 Posted August 3, 2011 It's the 3rd thread in last couple of days about 'potential' fast bowlers. If even one of them turns out to be a real deal then I'll do a :yay:. Otherwise the situation about a 'fast' bowler is still :(( .
Vijay.Sharma Posted August 3, 2011 Posted August 3, 2011 I'd rather have a bowler who will take wickets than who can just bowl fast. At Test and international level you need the ability to take wickets not just bowl fast coz if you can't take wickets, the faster you bowl the faster you will be sent to the ropes
SachDan Posted August 3, 2011 Posted August 3, 2011 I'd rather have a bowler who will take wickets than who can just bowl fast. At Test and international level you need the ability to take wickets not just bowl fast coz if you can't take wickets' date=' the faster you bowl the faster you will be sent to the ropes[/quote'] well said!
rkt.india Posted August 3, 2011 Author Posted August 3, 2011 I'd rather have a bowler who will take wickets than who can just bowl fast. At Test and international level you need the ability to take wickets not just bowl fast coz if you can't take wickets' date=' the faster you bowl the faster you will be sent to the ropes[/quote'] Pace is one of the most important aspect for a pacer which cannot be developed. First we need to find the young guys who has this ability than other things can be developed. Fast bowlers cannot be made overnight. This is a development process and once it completes then you get bowlers who can take wickets. How to take wickets is a thing which bowlers learn with experience.
nsareen Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 whats with 120 - 140 km/h? can't vary so much. But if he can touch 140 on indian pitches at 19, he is someone to watch out for in the 2-3 yrs time ahead. Maybe we get another one like Munaf, but this time around with pace :)
nsareen Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/424217.html cricinfo has him as a Wicketkeeper and of 24 yrs of age. Which source is right ??? http://www.mantrikpl.net/teams-players/4-Belagavi%20Panthers/bp-profile%20(10).html another one saying he is a wicketkeeper
nsareen Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 http://www.mumbaicricket.com/mca/Score_Sheet_Under19_Cooch_Behar_Trophy_2010_2011_Mumbai_KSCA_04_07122010.asp. Found another one saying he is a bowler. Took 4 wickets against Mumbai where Saurabh Netrawalkar plays. Mordi played alongside Ronit More who is in the AIS team as a fast bowler.
rkt.india Posted August 4, 2011 Author Posted August 4, 2011 http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/424217.html cricinfo has him as a Wicketkeeper and of 24 yrs of age. Which source is right ??? http://www.mantrikpl.net/teams-players/4-Belagavi%20Panthers/bp-profile%20(10).html another one saying he is a wicketkeeper cricinfo said atul sharma is wicket keeper and Umesh Yadav is a left arm spinner when he took 5 wickets in his first duleep trophy match.
nsareen Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 cricinfo said atul sharma is wicket keeper and Umesh Yadav is a left arm spinner when he took 5 wickets in his first duleep trophy match. yeah cricinfo recognizes domestic and international players. Not the emerging domestic players though. Lets keep an eye on this lad. Hope he turns out good. If there are any pics videos of the matches he played , pls post
CasualVisitor Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Pace is one of the most important aspect for a pacer which cannot be developed. First we need to find the young guys who has this ability than other things can be developed. Fast bowlers cannot be made overnight. This is a development process and once it completes then you get bowlers who can take wickets. How to take wickets is a thing which bowlers learn with experience. Spot on. Exactly my thoughts.
msb1991 Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Pace is one of the most important aspect for a pacer which cannot be developed. Untrue. England have increased the speed of many of their bowlers after joining the international set up. Stuart Broad, Tim Bresnan and Andrew Flintoff all were initially 80mph bowlers and grew toward 85-90mph after spending a few years with the national team to groove their actions and strength conditioning.
nsareen Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Untrue. England have increased the speed of many of their bowlers after joining the international set up. Stuart Broad' date=' Tim Bresnan and Andrew Flintoff all were initially 80mph bowlers and grew toward 85-90mph after spending a few years with the national team to groove their actions and strength conditioning.[/quote'] Can you give such examples for Players of sub continent. What you say might work for these folks but doesnt work here. Players who are fast stay fast or slow down. No one here increases pace here. Braod, Bresnan increased pace because of their physical attributes, i remember when these folks came in they were kids , straight out of U19. But with time they grew strong and gained on speed. Flintoff was never a 80mph bowler, right from start he had the ability to bowl quick, he gained more pace and movement for him to become effective.
rkt.india Posted August 4, 2011 Author Posted August 4, 2011 Untrue. England have increased the speed of many of their bowlers after joining the international set up. Stuart Broad' date=' Tim Bresnan and Andrew Flintoff all were initially 80mph bowlers and grew toward 85-90mph after spending a few years with the national team to groove their actions and strength conditioning.[/quote'] Increase of pace depends on many factors. First is age at which they were picked like broad he was identified as a potential in his teens and they are working on him since same is Bresnan who was picked for his county first as 16-17 year old and 16, he was not bowling 140, but it was a process in which he went through strengthening program since his teens which helped him gain about 10 ks pace since I first saw him in 2006 when he was only around 21-22. There strengthening program is great in which they select bowlers who can be worked upon and this help them increase their pace. Steve Finn was slower than Ishant in 2008 U-19 WC which he played but Ishant Played in Australia, both aged 18 at that time, but Finn is also undergoing strengthening program since then and has gained quite a pace and now can bowl even faster than Ishant. Other than that their natural build and body strength is always higher and stringer than Indians. This method is successful when you pick the bowlers at a young age just at the end year of their teens like 19 or 20 and body matures till age 24-25. If you pick a player at 27 years of age like Vinay Kumar and he will do strengthening, i do not think he will be able to gain much pace. Another factor is refinement of the bowling action, which in case of Abhimanyu Mithun can be done or could have been done a year or two ago, but was not done. He has so good a body, he could have bowled faster with good action. Flintoff is an interesting case to me as when he first debuted he was mostly 135K, but later he bowled up to 150K+ which I will attribute to his build. I feel he could bowl fast since his start, but he did not realize his potential to bowl fast initially,
msb1991 Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Can you give such examples for Players of sub continent. What you say might work for these folks but doesnt work here. Players who are fast stay fast or slow down. No one here increases pace here. Using past experience is a dangerous thing to do. Who in India has 'stayed fast' for example? They all slow down. Surely picking someone for their pace is therefore a futile thing to do. Braod' date=' Bresnan increased pace because of their physical attributes, i remember when these folks came in they were kids , straight out of U19. But with time they grew strong and gained on speed.[/quote'] Probably true but why can we not do this with some of our promising bowlers?
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