It's not all about pace: Aaron

[Cricket Tragic]

Even tearaway quicks, bowling 145 to 152k consistantly, rarely become strike bowlers unless they have other attributes like ability to move the ball, accuracy and the ability to stick to an effective plan. But, pace or bounce is/are one/some of the key qualities that are also required even if you have accuracy, movement etc.. Most Indian seamers can move the ball. They don't have the other attributes and, mostly, pace is lacking or is reduced. That is why people ask for someone who can bowl 140k+, not because that alone can take wickets.

Agree with that.

[Rahul Dravid]

:yay::yay::yay::yay::yay::yay::yay: I cannot express how happy i am abt varun's selection.

me 2 mate.... more than happy i am excited.... its always exciting to see a young fast bowler making their debut.... !! just hope he doesn't disappoint us... but no pressure Aaron.. just go out there and bowl fast.!!

[Rahul Dravid]

When will people understand that international batsmen are not going to be afraid of someone bowling at 140 odd? These guys aren't quicker than that consistently. You need to do more than just that to be a successful bowler.

:agree: but.... the situation with our pace bowlers right now... i would LOVE some pace.

[Gotham Cronie]

Aamer's career hampered by stress fractures - Nazar Mudassar Nazar, the former Pakistan batsman, has called Mohammad Aamer a diamond of Pakistan cricket while revealing how three stress fractures of the back almost derailed his career even before it started. Aamer, the teenage left-arm fast bowler who impressed in the ICC World Twenty20 in England and on the tour of Sri Lanka, was a student at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore, where Nazar served as director till last November. Nazar said he spotted Aamer as a 14-year-old at an academy in Rawalpindi and was instantly impressed with his abilities as a quick bowler. He summoned Aamer to the NCA where he developed his talent before heading to England with the Under-19 squad in 2007. He bowled nearly 70 overs and took six wickets in the two unofficial Tests. But Aamer had to return early due to a back injury and it later came to light that it was far more serious than anyone had imagined. "When we analysed Aamer at the NCA upon his return to Pakistan, it came to light that he was suffering from three stress fractures to his back," Nazar told **********.net. "Two of the fractures had been present since the age of 11 or 12, and the third was suffered in England on the U-19 tour. "The earlier fractures were probably as a result of playing cricket at a young age, perhaps street cricket or tape ball cricket and Aamer was probably not even aware of the fact that he was suffering from the fractures. The third fracture was as a result of being overbowled on the Under 19 tour of England, when Imad Wasim was his skipper. To be fair to Imad, he had no idea of the injury and he was just a very young lad himself given the job of being skipper." More damaging than being overbowled, Nazar said, was the fact that the Pakistan Cricket Board didn't take enough precautions to protect its players from injury. "There was no physio with the U-19 squad that went to England, which was a huge mistake by the PCB and Aamer's career could have been ended before it even started due to this oversight by the PCB," Nazar said. "Aamer came back to Pakistan after the tour and was complaining of stiffness. When he was examined, the stress fractures came to light. Aamer lost one year of his development due to the back injury and it took a lot of hard work on his part and from NCA staff to get him fit again."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/424979.html

[rkt.india]

Even if he is a success story' date=' he will soon cut down his pace, going by his interview![/quote'] I dont think guys here have read the interview correctly. He meant he wants to bowl fast and maintain consistent line and length. No bowler in the world will be effective with wayward bowling. Even genuine pacers need to be consistent to take wickets. What's wrong what he said there? Foolish people here and I would be happy if any genuine pacer plays for India whether he is Aaron, yadav, or Shukla or any other else. I want good for Indian team whether it si with spin bowler, medium pacer, or genuine pacer, does not matter. I never said he will take 5-fer in his first match. He is a rookie and he will learn as he plays and we need to groom these kind of bowlers. Otherwise, we will see more thrashing like these which we just had, even Bangladesh will beat him in future as and when legends retire with no bowling.

[apuk79]

http://world.ipl.indiatimes.com/IPL-2011-Match-73-Mumbai-Indians-MI-VS-Royal-Challengers-RCB-May-27-2011-Full-Match-Full-Match-video-5840 check him out bowling in this match looks decent HOWEVER when i was walking in london the other day I saw another bowling relic from the past Debasis Mohanty!!!!! I hope Aaron doesnt go down his downward spiral

[Cricket Tragic]

Mohanty in Toronto against the Padosis He also helped India in the WC match against England in 1999.

[darkknight]

His bowling action is bit funny, but has serious pace. Wish he should have played in oval match, instead of RP.

[apuk79]

mohanty was a 1 hit wonder put it that way

[Cricket Tragic]

Mohanty, Harvinder Singh and Kuruvilla :yay::yay::yay:

[maniac]

Mohanty' date=' Harvinder Singh and Kuruvilla :yay::yay::yay:[/quote'] Mohanty was almost PK-esque the way he swung the ball at a military medium pace ,bowlers like that tend to have 1 or 2 good seasons in the international arena before batsmen find them out.Harvinder Singh and Kuruvilla the less the said better but they were atleast better than the likes of David Johnson and Dodda Ganesh. Venkatesh prasad was succesful in Eng and SA because he could swing the ball and also exploit the bounce had a very effective legcutter.Despite all the hatred towards Venky here I think he was a lesser talented version of Fannie Devillers who bowled at a similar pace but could exploit both bounce and swing. This may result in PK getting chances on the bouncy tracks of aus where his bowling style may be cannon fodder for the batsmen.

[maniac]

Also I understand that getting a 140-145 range bowler is a big deal for us,Hence all this hype but if he doesn't have variation he will be useless.He was succesful in Australia where it is more about the bounce but in England he may not be very succsesful if he can't swing the ball. Only If you have pace like Lee,Akthar,Harmison and even Tait and Sami you won't be a threat to the batsmen.I know how Tait,Sami and Harmison's carrers ( I am not talking about their consistency or their overall talent but just their ability to bowl at high speeds) ended but when they got it right they atleast had the capability to trouble the batsmen in any condition.

[rkt.india]

Mohanty was almost PK-esque the way he swung the ball at a military medium pace ,bowlers like that tend to have 1 or 2 good seasons in the international arena before batsmen find them out.Harvinder Singh and Kuruvilla the less the said better but they were atleast better than the likes of David Johnson and Dodda Ganesh. Venkatesh prasad was succesful in Eng and SA because he could swing the ball and also exploit the bounce had a very effective legcutter.Despite all the hatred towards Venky here I think he was a lesser talented version of Fannie Devillers who bowled at a similar pace but could exploit both bounce and swing. This may result in PK getting chances on the bouncy tracks of aus where his bowling style may be cannon fodder for the batsmen.

Fannie Devilliars was quite fast to start with. PK does not have the height to get bounce but he swings.

[rkt.india]

Also I understand that getting a 140-145 range bowler is a big deal for us,Hence all this hype but if he doesn't have variation he will be useless.He was succesful in Australia where it is more about the bounce but in England he may not be very succsesful if he can't swing the ball. Only If you have pace like Lee,Akthar,Harmison and even Tait and Sami you won't be a threat to the batsmen.I know how Tait,Sami and Harmison's carrers ( I am not talking about their consistency or their overall talent but just their ability to bowl at high speeds) ended but when they got it right they atleast had the capability to trouble the batsmen in any condition.

There was flat pitches in Australia in EPT this time, so there was not much bounce or pace for bowlers. Secondly, a bowler needs to hit the deck to get enough out of the wicket. You could see the difference between England and our bowlers. English bowlers were hitting the deck more than Indian bowlers and always got something from the wicket. If a bowler has good seam position at pace, he will always get some thing out of the wicket. And I am sure Aaron will gain more pace in next 2-3 years quite similarly how Brett Lee and Shaun Tait gained. They were quite like Aaron at 21 years of age.

[ZodiaC]

I have high hopes on him, the key here is if he can maintain the speed (unlike Ishant, Sree) and keep him injury free.

[rkt.india]

I have high hopes on him' date=' the key here is if he can maintain the speed (unlike Ishant, Sree) and keep him injury free.[/quote'] whenever I saw in him in domestic matches..he has maintained good speeds even in his 10th over. In one match, his fastest ball came in his 10th over after he has bowler 5 consecutive overs in that spell. Still, i hope he does not get complacent like RP or Sreesanth and continues to work on his stamina and maintain his fitness. Ishant's case is different who is a rhythm and action bowler rather than power like Aaron who does not have a great flying run-up or action like Brett Lee and Steyn but still can generate pace. He is in category of Kemar Roach.

[ZodiaC]

And I am sure Aaron will gain more pace in next 2-3 years quite similarly how Brett Lee and Shaun Tait gained. They were quite like Aaron at 21 years of age.

Shaun tait was quite quick back then IIRC: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWV6Bl7eQGc]Shaun Tait Bowls Geraint Jones - YouTube[/ame] Same with lee, seems really quick to me: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWLRKoXPnoQ]Brett Lee KILLER REVERSE SWING YORKER to Ramnaresh Sarwan 1st test 2000 - YouTube[/ame]

[rkt.india]

Shaun tait was quite quick back then IIRC:

Same with lee, seems really quick to me:

watch the video I posted of Lee and Tait when they were 21 years old. Lee and Tait were were at similar pace of Aaron at Aaron's age. These videos are not of at age 21 of Brett Lee, this 2001-02 video if I am right and Lee is around 24-25 at this time. Three years is a long time. This is the age when body matures strength wise around 24-25 and Brett Lee was at his fastest during 24-29, in these 5 years. Brett Lee debuted in 1999 at the age of 23 in 1999 and his fastest delivery which I saw in that test was 151Ks. Aaron has already clocked that speed in domestic cricket and he is much younger that what Lee was at that time. Shaun tait debuted at age of 22 and he was mainly around 145 bowler then. What am I saying is they both were not bowling 155-160K when they they debuted or around 21 years of age as Aaron is, but by the time they reached at their peak age of 25, they bowler 155-160K easily. Though I am not saying there is any guarantee that he will gain pace in next 2-3 years by the time he reaches 24-25 years of age or will bowl 155K. It depends on fitness and how he works on it. If he is determined to maintain his fitness and do not go on the way like RP, Sreesanth, and Munaf, then he will certainly be able to do it, otherwise he will be another version of the these three I took name of.

[ZodiaC]

He did look quick enough in that video too, although the one I posted is ~1 year from his debut, and is a better footage. But fair enough, I get your point. Have high hopes on Aaron.

[Cricket Tragic]

He did look quick enough in that video too' date=' although the one I posted is ~1 year from his debut, and is a better footage. But fair enough, I get your point. Have high hopes on Aaron.[/quote'] I think he is talking about Lee before he made his debut. He was quick at the MCG on his debut in 1999.