rkt.india Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Well i think Dennis Lillie would be pissed off with you by saying this. He is a product of MRF pace academy' date=' and Dennis himself said, they have worked on him for quite a while, Varun is with MRF since the age of 15. If his runup was that useless, you would not be the first one to pick it up. So this is a crap observation you have.[/quote'] Yeh, agree. I dont see any problem with his runup. Even Steyngun has short strides while running. He runs pretty much like Patrick Patterson though Patterson was a huge guy.
IKnowU Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 run up matters to bowlers who are rhythm bowlers. He is a power bowler w ho has enough fast bowling fibers in him. In Vijay Hazaare trophy final, he bowled at an average speed of 144K. His last delivery in IPL was 150K and recently in in Aus, EPT, according to his coach, he bowled 140+ whole day with crossing 150 several times. Even here, his last delivery was easily 145K, look at how batsman came down the track but played hurriedly in the end as ball came too quickly too him. I wont fully judge him until I see him in the international scene. Power bowlers require much more energy and control. Why bother with the run up, if he is only going to use his "muscles" to deliver that much speed? Tell me one great bowler who was successful by being a "power bowler"? Great phasst bowlers like Brett lee, steyn, Anderson, Broad all use the run up to their advantage by getting the extra kick in momentum and speed without having to try as hard by using all the shoulder strength. Its the basics of fast bowling.
IKnowU Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 SyqmbyArlQo&feature=related I will shed a tear, when a bowler out of a billion people can do that.
kubrickian Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 The pitch was very slow and hence the slower bowlers were more effective. If someone bowls fast on that wicket, the ball will come easily on to the bat and will be hit for runs which is what happened to Varun. I happened to put the radio commentary on when he was bowling and one of the commies mentioned he got some pace on him. Now the commie wouldnt point that out particularly if this guy was not fast. I would rather see him play the 1st ODI than the T20 as it will give him more time to get settled and get into a good line and length and work his pace.
speed_demon Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Yeh' date=' agree. I dont see any problem with his runup. Even Steyngun has short strides while running. He runs pretty much like Patrick Patterson though Patterson was a huge guy.[/quote'] Well the short strides he takes is intentional, to bring himself into a rhythm, and the last few strides he takes is where he builds the momentum to generate the pace he has, but the thing i like is, he doesn't fall over, or is imbalanced after delivering the ball, which says he will have good control over the ball, in some of his videos he watches the ball leave the batsman, which is very tough to do, when you deliver the ball at pace.
speed_demon Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 SyqmbyArlQo&feature=related I will shed a tear, when a bowler out of a billion people can do that. Well thats history, David Johnson used to do that :--D .
speed_demon Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 The pitch was very slow and hence the slower bowlers were more effective. If someone bowls fast on that wicket, the ball will come easily on to the bat and will be hit for runs which is what happened to Varun. I happened to put the radio commentary on when he was bowling and one of the commies mentioned he got some pace on him. Now the commie wouldnt point that out particularly if this guy was not fast. I would rather see him play the 1st ODI than the T20 as it will give him more time to get settled and get into a good line and length and work his pace. Agreed, and i did not hear them saying this about any other bowler. Everyone goes for runs, the key is to learn and come back. Stuart Broad went for 6 sixes, we should not forge that :winky:
IKnowU Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Yeh' date=' agree. I dont see any problem with his runup. Even Steyngun has short strides while running. He runs pretty much like Patrick Patterson though Patterson was a huge guy.[/quote'] QYAH-fj0_ac&playnext=1&list=PL6F9E4994D920E5D0 Steyn start with small steps and slowly bigger and bigger to build on the momentum.
speed_demon Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Steyn start with small steps and slowly bigger and bigger to build on the momentum. Steyn is taller, and all taller bowlers will look to have bigger strides. Holding had the biggest stride according to me. Don't worry too much dude, let him play for sometime, if agarkar with short strides can be successful in the International arena, why can't he? he is definitely faster than Sir Aggy and taller too, and most definitely be accurate too.
ZodiaC Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 last delivery certainly looks around 145K. 145? Not really. 140 would be pushing it.
rkt.india Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 I wont fully judge him until I see him in the international scene. Power bowlers require much more energy and control. Why bother with the run up, if he is only going to use his "muscles" to deliver that much speed? Tell me one great bowler who was successful by being a "power bowler"? Great phasst bowlers like Brett lee, steyn, Anderson, Broad all use the run up to their advantage by getting the extra kick in momentum and speed without having to try as hard by using all the shoulder strength. Its the basics of fast bowling. His runup is not as bad as you are talking here. I would say he has very good run up and gains momentum steadily and dont try to run fast from the first delivery. Everyone cannot be Brett Lee in action and run up. All have their own ways of bowling. I dont see why you are comparing him to Brett Lee. Anderson and Broad's run up are nothing exceptional. These things develop with time. Running fast is not everything. And runup and actions cannot be made. These things come natural to a bowler.
rkt.india Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Steyn is taller, and all taller bowlers will look to have bigger strides. Holding had the biggest stride according to me. Don't worry too much dude, let him play for sometime, if agarkar with short strides can be successful in the International arena, why can't he? he is definitely faster than Sir Aggy and taller too, and most definitely be accurate too. Steyn is not that tall, only about 1 inch taller than Aaron, Styen is 6 feet, while Aaron around 5-11
IKnowU Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Steyn is taller, and all taller bowlers will look to have bigger strides. Holding had the biggest stride according to me. Don't worry too much dude, let him play for sometime, if agarkar with short strides can be successful in the International arena, why can't he? he is definitely faster than Sir Aggy and taller too, and most definitely be accurate too. Brett Lee isnt tall. But he used his momentum on his run to his full advantage. Agarkar did the same thing, he ran in and had a great leap at the crease which gave him the extra pace. Aaron loadup and the movement of his arm at the crease is pretty poor. If he ran in harder and loaded up with a jump, he would be much more effective.
Rightarmfast Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Steyn is really lean. He doesnt look a bit like a fast bowler up close...He doesnt look that huge either. As RTK put it, he is just about 6.. From up close, Steyn looks anaemic !
rkt.india Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 145? Not really. 140 would be pushing it. You just watch whenever he plays in ODIs, keep an eye on speed guns all through the match and see if he hits 145K or not. There was no speed gun here, so cannot convince you, but that delivery was certainly 145K. Batsmen dont play like that to a slower bowler and would have been hit for six or four over midwicket.
Rightarmfast Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Agarkar used his hip muscles and his shoulder twist to generate that pace. his leap helped him . But I think it was the catapult like push from the hips and the last minute jerk of the wrist that generated that extra pace.
IKnowU Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Anderson and Broad's run up are nothing exceptional. . Because fast bowling isnt that hard. Have a fit body, a decent run up and release. And your good. Line and control will come overtime like it did for Anderson and Broad.
rkt.india Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Brett Lee isnt tall. But he used his momentum on his run to his full advantage. Agarkar did the same thing, he ran in and had a great leap at the crease which gave him the extra pace. Aaron loadup and the movement of his arm at the crease is pretty poor. If he ran in harder and loaded up with a jump, he would be much more effective. Everyone has different dynamics of body. His runup and action is modeled to keep him injury free. He had a little different before last year, but after stress fractures, Lillie worked on his action and run up so that he has less strenuous bowling approach and made his bowling stride more straight which was a bit left sided before after that he suffered stress fracture in his left back. After this very straight stride he has balanced body and equal stress spread on both sides of back.
rkt.india Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Because fast bowling isnt that hard. Have a fit body, a decent run up and release. And your good. Line and control will come overtime like it did for Anderson and Broad. These things help generate pace, but you also need that extra too along with these. These alone wont help you become a genuine quick. That is why genuine fast bowlers are so rare.
IKnowU Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 These things help generate pace' date=' but you also need that extra too along with these. These alone wont help you become a genuine quick. That is why genuine fast bowlers are so rare.[/quote'] Every country is producing fast bowlers except India. They are not rare. You have to hone the basics to perfection like fitness, technique, skill. Thats all it is. Except this has to be done when a player first picks up a ball, not when they are in their 20's and are about to represent a billion people.
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