Dhoni's luck has run out

[Sidhoni]

Ppl are reacting here as if he is the worst captain,batsman,keeper we ever had. Nobody blames the bowling, and not to forget the collapse after Rahane was gone.

[gaurav92]

Ppl are reacting here as if he is the worst captain' date=batsman,keeper we ever had. Nobody blames the bowling, and not to forget the collapse after Rahane was gone.

As a combo, yes he has been the worst we ever had :D

[gaurav92]

What are you talking about chacha, vinay kumar team me hoga to vinay kumar hi to khelega ya vo kahi se Malinga le aayega.:haha: If he has played RP then you would have said the same, if he had played Mishra who would have given all runs through no-ball free hits. Aaron is a newbie and inexperience. He did right to not play Aaron in this T20. and now tell who he would have taken. And what goofup in final over you are talking about. that was a thick out side edge, no keeper could have stopped it.

Bhai Saahab, aap jaake Dhoni ki aarti hi utaar dijjiye for his magnificent show . I am sure ki aapko khushi hogi karne mein, ab toh woh Daakter bhi ban gaya hai jaake badhaaiyaan de dijiye :--D. Vinay Kumar ko khilana galat tha, Vinay Kumar ko last over dena galat tha, we should have bowled Munna in the last over and w could have adjusted one over with either a raina or Vinay before Praveen Kumar. Because VK has repeatedly leaked runs in the final overs, ab itna buddhu kaptaan ho toh phi kehna hi kya :dontknow: Aur aap outside edges ki baat toh rehne hi deijiye, Dhoni ne simple save miss kiya us samay, aur VK ne sab ki sab waise hi ball daali, matlab the kaptaan has no idea what to do in such situations, he should have had his third man a lil fine and the best fielder (Raina, Virat) should hav been there. Not that those edges could have been saved, but kam se kam aap try toh kar sakte the. And he kept bowling same balls, Dhoni ko bolna chahiye tha after that edge ki yaar, thoda straight daal, but nahi. All he did was complaint that batsman didn't get enough runs - jaise khud century maar ke aaya tha :hehe: Dhoni certainly has lost the midas touch. samay Samay ki baat hai chachu, aapka din aaye toh bolna phaaltu mein dhoni ki defending karke aap apne aap ko dhoni se neechey mat giraaye, aapko aagey zaroor mauka milega dhoni ke paksh mnein bolne ka, I am sure tab aap jitna bhi bolenge main jhel lunga, but not now. Dhoni is looking clueless, can't win a ****ing match.

[rkt.india]

Bhai Saahab, aap jaake Dhoni ki aarti hi utaar dijjiye for his magnificent show . I am sure ki aapko khushi hogi karne mein, ab toh woh Daakter bhi ban gaya hai jaake badhaaiyaan de dijiye :--D. Vinay Kumar ko khilana galat tha, Vinay Kumar ko last over dena galat tha, we should have bowled Munna in the last over and w could have adjusted one over with either a raina or Vinay before Praveen Kumar. Because VK has repeatedly leaked runs in the final overs, ab itna buddhu kaptaan ho toh phi kehna hi kya :dontknow: Aur aap outside edges ki baat toh rehne hi deijiye, Dhoni ne simple save miss kiya us samay, aur VK ne sab ki sab waise hi ball daali, matlab the kaptaan has no idea what to do in such situations, he should have had his third man a lil fine and the best fielder (Raina, Virat) should hav been there. Not that those edges could have been saved, but kam se kam aap try toh kar sakte the. And he kept bowling same balls, Dhoni ko bolna chahiye tha after that edge ki yaar, thoda straight daal, but nahi. All he did was complaint that batsman didn't get enough runs - jaise khud century maar ke aaya tha :hehe: Dhoni certainly has lost the midas touch. samay Samay ki baat hai chachu, aapka din aaye toh bolna phaaltu mein dhoni ki defending karke aap apne aap ko dhoni se neechey mat giraaye, aapko aagey zaroor mauka milega dhoni ke paksh mnein bolne ka, I am sure tab aap jitna bhi bolenge main jhel lunga, but not now. Dhoni is looking clueless, can't win a ****ing match.

Bhai 3 good fielder ko kaha kaha khada karega behaara Dhoni aur aapko kya lagta hai Munna ko last over de deta to kya Munna me Malinga ki aatma aa jaati, pitna to Munna ko bhi tha. last over se pehle to VK ne bhi jyada run nahi diye they, Bhai hamaare teeno gendbaaj ek hi jaise they PK, Munna, and VK. PK to chalo nai gend se achi gend daalta hai, lekin baaki dono to nayi aur puraano dono se pitte hain aur Raina ko gend deta to match 20 over tak bhi ni jata. Bopara usi over me match khatam kar deta. Yaha main bowler nahi chal rahe aur aap part timers se bowling karvaane ki baat keh rahe ho. Bhai jab ladaake hi ache na ho, ladaai ladi kaise jayegi. 130 ki raftaar se bhi bowler achi yorker daal sakta hai agar target pe ho to, aur uske liye practice chahiye, jo inmse koi karta nahi. Main Dhoni ko nahi bacha raha, Dhoni ne achi ballebaji nahi ki, ye uska dosh hai, vo last tak tikta to 180 ban jaate, lekin match puri team jitti hai, ek khilaadi ko dosh dene se koi fayda nahi hone wala, chayankartao ko soch-vichar karna chahiye ke kya hamaara har ek ballebaaj aur gendbaaj aisa hai jo antarashtriya star ka hai. EK bhi khilaada kharaab hai to puri team khraab ho jaati hai, is team me to kai khilaadi aise hain jo antarashtriya star ke nahi hain, khaaskar Kachchha cricket me.

[Sidhoni]

As a combo' date=' yes he has been the worst we ever had :D[/quote'] :finger:

[gaurav92]

Bhai 3 good fielder ko kaha kaha khada karega behaara Dhoni aur aapko kya lagta hai Munna ko last over de deta to kya Munna me Malinga ki aatma aa jaati, pitna to Munna ko bhi tha. last over se pehle to VK ne bhi jyada run nahi diye they, Bhai hamaare teeno gendbaaj ek hi jaise they PK, Munna, and VK. PK to chalo nai gend se achi gend daalta hai, lekin baaki dono to nayi aur puraano dono se pitte hain aur Raina ko gend deta to match 20 over tak bhi ni jata. Bopara usi over me match khatam kar deta. Yaha main bowler nahi chal rahe aur aap part timers se bowling karvaane ki baat keh rahe ho. Bhai jab ladaake hi ache na ho, ladaai ladi kaise jayegi. 130 ki raftaar se bhi bowler achi yorker daal sakta hai agar target pe ho to, aur uske liye practice chahiye, jo inmse koi karta nahi. Main Dhoni ko nahi bacha raha, Dhoni ne achi ballebaji nahi ki, ye uska dosh hai, vo last tak tikta to 180 ban jaate, lekin match puri team jitti hai, ek khilaadi ko dosh dene se koi fayda nahi hone wala, chayankartao ko soch-vichar karna chahiye ke kya hamaara har ek ballebaaj aur gendbaaj aisa hai jo antarashtriya star ka hai. EK bhi khilaada kharaab hai to puri team khraab ho jaati hai, is team me to kai khilaadi aise hain jo antarashtriya star ke nahi hain, khaaskar Kachchha cricket me.

In 2 baaton pe gaur pharmaiyega 1) Humne 5 gendbaaz kyu nahi khilaye jabki humein pata tha ki humari kamzori bowling hai? Kya Dhoni ke dimaag mein yeh sawaal nahi aaya kabhi ? Aur aaya bhi, toh kya use suljhaane ka prayaas nahi kiya. Ab yeh mat kehna ki humari batting weak ho jaati kyuki agar hum ek batsman kam khelte toh shayad batsman thodi aur zimmedaari dikhate aur aise gair-zimmedaaraana shots nahi khelte jaisa kohli, raina aur Dhoni ne khele. 2) Aakhri aur sabse zaroori baat - yadi team ke kharaab pradarshan par hum dhoni ko blame nahi kar sakte, toh jab jeet te hain tab "Dhoni ka jaadu", "Dhoni ka midas touch" jaise faaltu baatein kyu karte hain ? jab ladaake hi achhe ho toh kaptaan kyu waahwaahi loot le jaaye ? Aagey se dhyaan rakhna, dhoni kuchh nahi hai, usne team ko kuchh nahi diya hai, woh toh ladaake the jinhone acha pradarshan kar ke match jitaaya, usme dhoni ka kya yobdaan tha? Jaise abhi nahi hai jab ladaake pasth ho rahe hain - Aap samajh rahe hain na, main aap hi ki bhaasha bol raha hu :D Shaayad aap ke upar dhoni ka bhoot sawaar hai woh thoda shaant ho jaaye.

[Raghav_12]

People being too harsh on Dhoni. He's still the best captain we've ever had. And in addition to the batting he also brings cool rational decision making to the table. Who else can offer that. He may be out of form with the bat, but he's still a thinking captain. I'll reserve my criticism of Dhoni after his and the team's performance in the next series. Lets see how he can bounce back. He's had many successful tours and a great WC. All that cannot get canceled by just one bad series.

Which successful tour you talking about? and many such tours !!! He didn't have a single successful tour unless you think not losing a test series is being successful or you consider tours to minnow countries. Dhoni's charisma was a bubble which got created because of success that team India got owing to contributions of some of all time greats. And also because of TONTEE-TONTEE success in IPL's and CLs.This bubble any way was going to be busted, sooner or later. IMHO, Dhoni would never have been a assured selection in Test team XI, if he was not captaining team India.

[gaurav92]

Which successful tour you talking about? and many such tours !!! He didn't have a single successful tour unless you think not losing a test series is being successful or you consider tours to minnow countries. Dhoni's charisma was a bubble which got created because of success that team India got owing to contributions of some of all time greats. And also because of TONTEE-TONTEE success in IPL's and CLs.This bubble any way was going to be busted, sooner or later. IMHO, Dhoni would never have been a assured selection in Test team XI, if he was not captaining team India.

Absolutely agree with you. A liability with the bat especially in such testing conditions.

[rkt.india]

In 2 baaton pe gaur pharmaiyega 1) Humne 5 gendbaaz kyu nahi khilaye jabki humein pata tha ki humari kamzori bowling hai? Kya Dhoni ke dimaag mein yeh sawaal nahi aaya kabhi ? Aur aaya bhi, toh kya use suljhaane ka prayaas nahi kiya. Ab yeh mat kehna ki humari batting weak ho jaati kyuki agar hum ek batsman kam khelte toh shayad batsman thodi aur zimmedaari dikhate aur aise gair-zimmedaaraana shots nahi khelte jaisa kohli, raina aur Dhoni ne khele. 2) Aakhri aur sabse zaroori baat - yadi team ke kharaab pradarshan par hum dhoni ko blame nahi kar sakte, toh jab jeet te hain tab "Dhoni ka jaadu", "Dhoni ka midas touch" jaise faaltu baatein kyu karte hain ? jab ladaake hi achhe ho toh kaptaan kyu waahwaahi loot le jaaye ? Aagey se dhyaan rakhna, dhoni kuchh nahi hai, usne team ko kuchh nahi diya hai, woh toh ladaake the jinhone acha pradarshan kar ke match jitaaya, usme dhoni ka kya yobdaan tha? Jaise abhi nahi hai jab ladaake pasth ho rahe hain - Aap samajh rahe hain na, main aap hi ki bhaasha bol raha hu :D Shaayad aap ke upar dhoni ka bhoot sawaar hai woh thoda shaant ho jaaye.

Are janaab..jab 4 gendbaaj ache nahi to paanchva kya ukhaad lega..agar paanchve ko kuch ukhadna hio hota to vo pehle hi chaar me na hota, paanchva to vaise bhi Motait Singh ya Aankh Meechra hota. usse kou fark nahi padne wala tha. England ke paas bhi 4 hi bowler they, lekin chaaro ache they. Aur janaab kaptaan ka kaam hota hai ache ladaako se aur acha kaam karvana. Khelna to khiladi ko hi hai, Dhoni ne aajtak sirf yahi kiya hai. Hamne ye kai aar dekha hai, ke vahi team dusra kaptaan baa to kaisa kehli aur Dhoni kaptaan raha to kaisa kheli. Khilaadi ache ho to kaam asaan ho jaata hai. Maine kabhi ye nahi kaha ke Dhoni hi sab kuch hai, main to ye kehta hun, ke Dhoni ke hone se fark jarur padta hai team me. Kharaab waqt to har ache se ache kaptaan ka aata hai aur achi se achi team ka aata hai. Kaptaan ka kaam hai khiladio aur team ko theek se samayojit karna, team ka mahaul sahi rakhna, jo Dhoni ne kiya hai, ab bowling aur batting to khiladio ko hi karni hai. Main ye nahi kehta ke DHoni ne kuch galat nahi kiya, Dhoni ne galtiya ki hain, test matches me bhi, field setting me bhi, lekin koi bhi perfect nahi, lekin agar bowlers me hi kuch dam na ho to kaptaan koi bhi field set kar le ko fark nahi padta.

[rkt.india]

Which successful tour you talking about? and many such tours !!! He didn't have a single successful tour unless you think not losing a test series is being successful or you consider tours to minnow countries. Dhoni's charisma was a bubble which got created because of success that team India got owing to contributions of some of all time greats. And also because of TONTEE-TONTEE success in IPL's and CLs.This bubble any way was going to be busted, sooner or later. IMHO, Dhoni would never have been a assured selection in Test team XI, if he was not captaining team India.

oh..not losing test series in 3 years is not a success and what are you talking yaar..for what are those legends their in the team. Dhoni is not a specialist batsman. Those batsmen are their to score runs. This is just a rubbish argument that legends saved him, bhai they are there in the team to do this, to score runs. Captain alone cannot do anything. Its team which has to support captain. Dhoni has done very well as a keeper-batsman.

[rkt.india]

IMHO, Dhoni would never have been a assured selection in Test team XI, if he was not captaining team India.

Captaincy affects every one whether he is a batman or a bat/wk. He woudl always have been a sure started in test 11 for India because there is still no better bat/wk than him in India. If he was not the captain, he would have not had burden of captaincy. You people think captaincy of Indian team is a flower pot. It squeezes a player a lot. He would have been a lot free minded and would not even have changed his approach of cautious batting which he did after becoming the captain and with that approach, he would have been more successful everywhere.

[Raghav_12]

oh..not losing test series in 3 years is not a success and what are you talking yaar..for what are those legends their in the team. Dhoni is not a specialist batsman. Those batsmen are their to score runs. This is just a rubbish argument that legends saved him' date=' bhai they are there in the team to do this, to score runs. Captain alone cannot do anything. Its team which has to support captain. Dhoni has done very well as a keeper-batsman.[/quote'] I commented on the statement that he has had many successful tours. Can you please enlighten me that where he toured successfully in his tenure? Yes he won a test series in NZ, WI and yeah Bangladesh. But he failed to win series in any of first tier cricketing nations like SL, SA and ofcourse England. Dravid had won tours to WI and Eng. Compare with that. Compare his performance of away tours with what Kumble's team did in Australia. His success was a bubble, I have no doubt about that. Three years without losing a series is not necessarily a great thing. It can very well happen if you have not played a good team outside India. If I recall correctly, Azhar did not lose a test series for around 4 years. From defeat to SA in 92 to defeat to England in 96. Dhoni couln't better that.

[Raghav_12]

Captaincy affects every one whether he is a batman or a bat/wk. He woudl always have been a sure started in test 11 for India because there is still no better bat/wk than him in India. If he was not the captain' date= he would have not had burden of captaincy. You people think captaincy of Indian team is a flower pot. It squeezes a player a lot. He would have been a lot free minded and would not even have changed his approach of cautious batting which he did after becoming the captain and with that approach, he would have been more successful everywhere.

If it was only for wicketkeeping and Batting, I would have taken Dinesh Karthick to England tour instead of M S Dhoni. Check Karthick's batting performance on last England tour with Dhoni's performance of this tour. (Please note that I have mentioned that if it was only for wicketkeeping and batting)

[Andy]

I still think as a Leader he deserves his place, But not as a batsman or wk in testing conditions. You do not have good enough options too for Leader Dhoni.

[Raghav_12]

I still think as a Leader he deserves his place' date= But not as a batsman or wk in testing conditions. You do not have good enough options too for Leader Dhoni.

I would rather say "he used to deserve". Right now, we'll have to wait and watch whether he still deserves.

[rkt.india]

If it was only for wicketkeeping and Batting' date=' I would have taken Dinesh Karthick to England tour instead of M S Dhoni. Check Karthick's batting performance on last England tour with Dhoni's performance of this tour. (Please note that I have mentioned that if it was only for wicketkeeping and batting)[/quote'] Sir ji Dhoni too had good performance last time with the bat and don't forget as Karthick concentrated on batting, his keeping has gone down a lot since then. Don't forget most of the Indian batsmen batted well in 2007, but in 2011 only one. Why compare Karthick's that performance to Dhoni's this performance. There was no surety karthick could have done anything special this time. According to that tour's performance, Dravid should have been in the team and done well on this tour. So do not count on performance what Karthick did then. Remember, Karthick in the test series after that against Pak I think. RP Singh was also picked based on the performance in 2007, look what he did this time, just embarassed India as a nation, nothing else. Until we find some one who can do better than Dhoni, dont say he will not have an assured place in 11 if he is not captain.

[rkt.india]

I commented on the statement that he has had many successful tours. Can you please enlighten me that where he toured successfully in his tenure? Yes he won a test series in NZ' date= WI and yeah Bangladesh. But he failed to win series in any of first tier cricketing nations like SL, SA and ofcourse England. Dravid had won tours to WI and Eng. Compare with that. Compare his performance of away tours with what Kumble's team did in Australia. His success was a bubble, I have no doubt about that. Three years without losing a series is not necessarily a great thing. It can very well happen if you have not played a good team outside India. If I recall correctly, Azhar did not lose a test series for around 4 years. From defeat to SA in 92 to defeat to England in 96. Dhoni couln't better that.

Bhai, we lost badly in that series, dont be in any illusion that we won Perth. We did better in SA, lost first test but dominated next 2 tests and you forget CB series win in Aus. We had not won a test series in NZ in years, we won there. We could have won all 3 tests in WI if not for rain. We were continuously losing in SL, there we at least drew the series. We never had drawn a series in SA too before. These are achievements which happened rare. Other than that 2 big ICC tournament wins as well. And look Dhoni as a weaker team in comparison to Ganguly and Dravid had, especially bowling. BHajji is not turning out good performance, Kumble has retired. Two of the best bowler of thsi decade. He even does not have a good no. 6 batsman like Ganguly.

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^ Some Indian fans believe Jaffer n Karthik would hav done better:laugh:

[rkt.india]

^ Some Indian fans believe Jaffer n Karthik would have done better:laugh:

yes.....:hysterical: one bad tour and slitters are on.......they dont remember how many bad tours we used to have before. Yes we did badly, but no need to panic and support the team.

[Andy]

Bhai, we lost badly in that series, dont be in any illusion that we won Perth. We did better in SA, lost first test but dominated next 2 tests and you forget CB series win in Aus. We had not won a test series in NZ in years, we won there. We could have won all 3 tests in WI if not for rain. We were continuously losing in SL, there we at least drew the series. We never had drawn a series in SA too before. These are achievements which happened rare. Other than that 2 big ICC tournament wins as well. And look Dhoni as a weaker team in comparison to Ganguly and Dravid had, especially bowling. BHajji is not turning out good performance, Kumble has retired. Two of the best bowler of thsi decade. He even does not have a good no. 6 batsman like Ganguly.

You must be Kidding there, Ganguly for the 95% of his Reign never had the services of Dhoni and Gambhir, Dravid , Kumble hadnt had the service of Gambhir too.