cricket_usa Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 If its an established rule, then why do they want to cry about it. You know the rule and if you don't like it don't give them your money. Take your business somewhere else. You can't were shoes in Temples in India and would it be right for someone to expect to be let in with the shoes on?
Mariyam Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I've been to two such parks- Essel world and EuroDisney and both ~ 10+ years ago. I never saw such a rule being implemented. Didn't even notice any instructions asking people to take off their head gear. Sounds odd to *me*. That ofc doesn't excuse the pathetic behaviour of those girls and the NY Muslim society that sent them there without telling them all the details (apparently). Do these kind of rides exist in other parts of the world? In Muslim nations? Malaysia or Gulf states or maybe Turkey? Is the head gear rule applicable there too? If not, do they let girls on the rides compromising security of the rest? Just playing the devils advocate here.
akshayxyz Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 The article says that the Muslim American Society of New York was informed about the head gear rule much in advance. If that truly is the case, then the onus is on the society to inform its members accordingly. The ire of the girls should be at the society which apparently hasn't informed them. If they (society) had a problem with the rule, they should visit another another amusement park or none at all. Going there and expecting special treatment and creating a ruckus is not the way. And then blaming Islamophobia and what not. Looks more of an attention seeking gimmick, unfortunately :(( Having said that, what were the police doing at an amusement park? Is it generally the practice in the land of the free and the brave to guard vital installations of national interest like amusement parks with policemen and police dogs? A hijab as a projectile? Well, its different from a cap. Not as likely to fall off, and even if it does, it wouldn't hurt anyone. Unless it gets stuck in some machinery of the ride and causes a breakdown, how could a loose piece of cloth be dangerous? What about stuff falling off pockets, like cell phones and coins? Just thinking out loud. This whole thing is stupidity x10000. Who the hell spends Eid at an amusement park anyways? There lies the answer itself. It is a matter of probability. One can raise the questions about the handling of the matter (or educating people about the rules), but the regulation itself sounds sensible, esp. it does not sound discriminatory at all.
fineleg Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 There lies the answer itself. It is a matter of probability. One can raise the questions about the handling of the matter (or educating people about the rules), but the regulation itself sounds sensible, esp. it does not sound discriminatory at all. Agreed. These rules are for safety. In this case, public safety comes higher in priority than the belief. And this rule applies to everyone - not an arbitrary rule, but a well established rule.
akshayxyz Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 ^ yep, and its not that someone thought of such rules out of their asses...almost all rules/regulations are based on (bad) experiences.
ganeshran Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Mariyam, is the Hijab worn tightly secured around the head and neck. I mean is there a chance of it flying off during a ride?
cricket_usa Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 The minute the scarf flies off and she gets hurt, they would be suing the parks for millions for not following their safety rule.
Mariyam Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Mariyam' date=' is the Hijab worn tightly secured around the head and neck. I mean is there a chance of it flying off during a ride?[/quote'] Many ways in which it can be worn. Generally a knot is tied below the chin or near the neck. So the chance of it falling off, a la a cap, during a roller coaster is less. However, it could be fly off due to the opposing wind. Some fasten it with a pin or a clip.
yoda Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Having said that, what were the police doing at an amusement park? Is it generally the practice in the land of the free and the brave to guard vital installations of national interest like amusement parks with policemen and police dogs? Typically these places will have private security and they probably have access to other resources (including state police) to bring in reinforcements as necessary.
1983-2011 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Muslims' charges to be dismissed in NY park clash Fifteen Muslims on Tuesday won conditional dismissals of charges stemming from an amusement park disturbance that started when women were told they couldn't wear religious headscarves on some rides. A Rye Town Court judge told the defendants their cases would be dropped if they stayed out of trouble for two months. Most had been charged only with disorderly conduct, but the charges ranged up to second-degree assault. All the female defendants wore headscarves. Some of the defendants said after the court session that they plan to file a civil rights lawsuit against Westchester County, alleging police brutality and racism in the disturbance. The county owns Playland Park in Rye, a national landmark, where the disturbance occurred. Defense lawyer Lamis Deek said the defendants could have gone to trial and won acquittals, but trials would have been inconvenient because none of them live in Westchester. "It's unfortunately more convenient to accept this offer, not have to enter a plea of guilty, move on with their lives and pursue this matter in a civil courtroom," Deek said. Lucian Chalfen, spokesman for the district attorney's office, declined to comment on why the dismissals were accepted. Deek suggested that prosecutors felt they couldn't win convictions. She said the dismissals "speak loudly to what they think really happened." About 3,000 Muslims were at Playland on Aug. 30, celebrating the end of Islam's holy month of fasting, Ramadan. Officials say Playland bans baseball caps, eyeglasses and other headgear on several fast rides. County officials said at a hearing in September that some Muslim women who were wearing religious scarves known as hijabs objected when told they couldn't go on certain rides. They said the county had made the policy clear to the trip organizer, the Muslim American Society of New York. They said dissatisfied patrons were being given refunds when scuffles broke out within the group. Deek said Tuesday that it was just an argument between two Muslim women. Police were called, five people were arrested, and things began to calm down until a flash mob, summoned by texting, gathered rapidly outside the park police station, said county police Commissioner George Longworth. The crowd became unruly and 10 more arrests followed. Deek said the arrests were carried out with "a great deal of brutality," injuring several Muslims. "This is the result of stereotyping and racist ideologies and beliefs ... toward Muslim communities, the idea that for some reason these Muslims would be more violent," she said. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hCIFLG9kWHjFyMN9zHNdfVYQI27g?docId=c2ad5b0e45464201a09d76c938e26aa1
NeutralCat Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Muslims should abide by the laws of the land, hell in Arab countries you aren't even allowed to show signs you belong to other religions or they will arrest you and deport you. If these Muslims don't like the laws of the country they live in, then why don't they piss off back to their **** holes. Hell some Arab nations won;t even allow you into the country if you aren't Muslim, about time we start passing laws against wearing the burka, building their Mosque's and schools in country's that aren't' Muslim. Why do they get all these rights in our country's, but when we travel to their country's we have no rights.
yoda Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Muslims should abide by the laws of the land, hell in Arab countries you aren't even allowed to show signs you belong to other religions or they will arrest you and deport you. If these Muslims don't like the laws of the country they live in, then why don't they piss off back to their **** holes. Hell some Arab nations won;t even allow you into the country if you aren't Muslim, about time we start passing laws against wearing the burka, building their Mosque's and schools in country's that aren't' Muslim. Why do they get all these rights in our country's, but when we travel to their country's we have no rights. You are sounding just like them. So what separates you from them?
NeutralCat Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Well they come to our countries and want to change that country's laws, look at Australia for example, they come here and want to have Sharia law, they don't like it that we celebrate Christmas, they don't like it that kid in Christian schools pray what do they like? This is a Christian country, if they don't like they then they should have stayed in their **** holes.
KhanSaab Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Didnt know such a rule existed. I have seen plenty of dudes wearing bandanas while they are on the ride.
KhanSaab Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Well they come to our countries and want to change that country's laws, look at Australia for example, they come here and want to have Sharia law, they don't like it that we celebrate Christmas, they don't like it that kid in Christian schools pray what do they like? This is a Christian country, if they don't like they then they should have stayed in their **** holes. I thought Australia was a secular country. No?
Yoda-esque Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 I thought Australia was a secular country. No? Is one allowed to have multiple wives under that law [serious question?] ?
KhanSaab Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Is one allowed to have multiple wives under that law [serious question?] ? what law are you talking of here?
EnterTheVoid Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 I thought Australia was a secular country. No? Secular with a Roman Catholic Majority. Same thing that happened in London is going to happen -- Live in ghettos, don't assimilate, live off Welfare etc. Oh wait, it already happened :king:
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