ChanaLal Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 I agree with you - there are two aspects; knowing where to bowl and bowling where you should bowl. The former comes by brains while the latter comes via practice. Coming to your part of "every bowler knows where he should be bowling" - that's not quite true. A lot of bowlers do not know the art of when to bowl where. Example - Ishant "Unlucky" Sharma. I find that hard to believe, truly. We know Head Coaches have meetings every week and part of this is about the opposition and where to bowl to who. There is video footage to watch, stats to look at and former greats who played to advise on what they used to do. If your premise is true it means the greats of the game are not any use, if all they can offer and advise on, is the art of fast bowling. I just don't believe Ishant isn't aware of where to bowl. I feel his issue is that he simply cannot do it regularly enough. This makes it a coaching thing.
Crookbond Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 I find that hard to believe, truly. We know Head Coaches have meetings every week and part of this is about the opposition and where to bowl to who. There is video footage to watch, stats to look at and former greats who played to advise on what they used to do. If your premise is true it means the greats of the game are not any use, if all they can offer and advise on, is the art of fast bowling. I just don't believe Ishant isn't aware of where to bowl. I feel his issue is that he simply cannot do it regularly enough. This makes it a coaching thing. The game is half played in the mind. Great bowlers do not necessarily make great coaches. Coaching is about imparting knowledge in such a way that bowlers understand. For Ishant's case, he wants to bowl short of a length which is good in India but not that great abroad.
indiaregulator Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Dexter, whats interesting however is that finn also bowls short. In fact he is almost a clone of mcgrath. Back of a length just outside off stump. Yet he gets wickets everywhere...
rkt.india Posted October 30, 2012 Author Posted October 30, 2012 Dexter' date=' whats interesting however is that finn also bowls short. In fact he is almost a clone of mcgrath. Back of a length just outside off stump. Yet he gets wickets everywhere...[/quote'] Because he bowls from close to the stumps and forces batsmen to play rather than leave and that gives him more ways of taking wickets rather than just caught behind. Ishant had unstable mind with his action and approach. He sometimes is stuck in between, confused what to do, and then loses control in that comundrum. Finn knows what to do keeps ot simple, attack rhe stump most often and bowl. Finn too has his share of flaws in bowling action but his approach is better than Ishant.
CG Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 Because he bowls from close to the stumps and forces batsmen to play rather than leave and that gives him more ways of taking wickets rather than just caught behind. Ishant had unstable mind with his action and approach. He sometimes is stuck in between' date=' confused what to do, and then loses control in that comundrum. Finn knows what to do keeps ot simple, attack rhe stump most often and bowl. Finn too has his share of flaws in bowling action but his approach is better than Ishant.[/quote'] Everybody has unique style,Ishant style was working when he had a good inswinger as the angle made the outswinger or ball that holds it line unplayable.Finn is overrated his action is not fluid and his stock ball is basically seam up.
rkt.india Posted October 30, 2012 Author Posted October 30, 2012 Everybody has unique style' date=Ishant style was working when he had a good inswinger as the angle made the outswinger or ball that holds it line unplayable.Finn is overrated his action is not fluid and his stock ball is basically seam up. No. He still was not taking enough wickets.
CG Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 No. He still was not taking enough wickets. He was considering the pitches he played on in india.
rkt.india Posted October 30, 2012 Author Posted October 30, 2012 He was considering the pitches he played on in india. what about outside?
CG Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 what about outside? well his downfall had already began when he tried to bowl like zak in sa,nz,.He is still work in progress.
BERGKAMP Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 rumours that his thigh injury is a bad one, and he might be out of the whole series
rkt.india Posted October 30, 2012 Author Posted October 30, 2012 well his downfall had already began when he tried to bowl like zak in sa' date='nz,.He is still work in progress.[/quote'] No. He was not bowling like Zak in NZ. He was hitting good speeds in his usual approach. His downfall started WCT20 2009 and that was the first time I saw changes in his approach and was low in speeds as well.
BeautifulGame Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/589613.html Stuart Meaker has been drafted into the England squad as cover for the injured Steven Finn. Meaker, the Surrey fast bowler, will fly to India on Saturday and is expected to play in the final warm-up game before the first Test.
rkt.india Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 Meaker can reverse the ball at 140+.
rkt.india Posted November 4, 2012 Author Posted November 4, 2012 Not with SG SG reverses more than any other ball.
BeautifulGame Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 SG reverses more than any other ball. Yes but for those new to SG ball it's much harder to reverse than say for ex . Kookaburra
Old guy Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Yes but for those new to SG ball it's much harder to reverse than say for ex . Kookaburra not really...its hard to adjust but once u get used to it it does more more longer period of time steyn destroyed us with reverse swing i think or was it conventional ? i honestly dont remember :cantstop:
BeautifulGame Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 not really...its hard to adjust but once u get used to it it does more more longer period of time steyn destroyed us with reverse swing i think or was it conventional ? i honestly dont remember :cantstop: Steyn did us with both reverse and conventional swing. Reverse in drawn Chennai test and mostly conventional in 2 nd test( Nagpur?). But Steyn is an exceptional phenomenon though not just in this but overall in bowling standards today. How many bowlers can we even compare with Steyn today? And remember how much Aussies and English struggled to master reverse swing last time they came. Apart from Watson atlast in 4 th test noone else could even come close
Old guy Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Steyn did us with both reverse and conventional swing. Reverse in drawn Chennai test and mostly conventional in 2 nd test( Nagpur?). But Steyn is an exceptional phenomenon though not just in this but overall in bowling standards today. How many bowlers can we even compare with Steyn today? And remember how much Aussies and English struggled to master reverse swing last time they came. Apart from Watson atlast in 4 th test noone else could even come close true but bowling standard is getting better imo england have finn, i honestly believe this guy can trouble us ... bresnan reverse swings... its all about gettting used to conditions and poms plan well in this regard anyway i think reverse swing wont be big factor spin will be .. if it comesi n play then zack and yadav both can use it so im not worried
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