Yuvraj is fat again

[vvvslaxman]

lolllll. your body can derive energy from protein and fats. carbs are not actually needed. look up paleo diet. of course fruits and veggies are always welcome for their vitamins and fiber.

Carbohydrates Your brain, heart and kidneys depend on carbohydrates for energy to function properly. If your diet does not include enough carbohydrates your body will take extreme measures to get the energy it needs. What will happen is it will feed on carbohydrates stored in muscles and attempt to chemically break down the proteins you eat until those proteins look and act like carbohydrates. Such reactions can produce muscle loss and put extra strain on the kidneys as the body works to dispose of unused protein by-products. if you lead a sedantary life you can live on low-carb diet.

[panther]

and since indian fast bowlers are faster than pakistani trundlers' date=' we have come to the conclusion that pakistani special forces on ghoda are faster than gul, junaid and co. LOL[/quote']

[Yoda-esque]

no, i'll end it. whatever diets we follow, we'll still beat your team of FTBs and trundlers. B->

I think nballa is Indian

[deathmonger]

good for you. :hatsoff: i never wanted this troll war. but you say anti india things of course i'll reply.

[panther]

I think nballa is Indian

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[deathmonger]

I think nballa is Indian

pakistani. but smarter than his countrymates. he posts negatively about india but in a subtle way unlike sir_afridi. check out his older posts.

[panther]

pakistani. but smarter than his countrymates. he posts negatively about india but in a subtle way unlike sir_afridi. check out his older posts.

Pakistanis don't talk about diets

[Yoda-esque]

pakistani. but smarter than his countrymates. he posts negatively about india but in a subtle way unlike sir_afridi. check out his older posts.

That explains his LL..Wonder why I wasted so much time! (angry with myself now)

[akshayxyz]

i was not talking about how calories are burnt. i was talking about how efficiently our bodies derive calories from food, not how they are burnt. calorie difference view is simplistic at best. its the type of calories and your bodies ability to process them. 1000 calories of carbs will trigger different hormonal responses in the body than 1000 calories of fat. 1000 calories of fat are actually better but i doubt any of you will understand all this.

I understand what you are trying to say - but even on fat-heavy diets, (calorie_in - calorie_out) is directly proportional to the weight gain. And the factor of weight gain for every unit of surplus calories depends on various other factors and varies from individual to individual - but within a window.

really.. where will you get energy from?You need carb for energy. You and your logic. :facepalm:

You can live healthily w/o any carbs in diet. But one will have to make many other changes, and there will be impact on 'strength'.

lol try explaining to people why fat(not trans) is a better source of energy than carbs. everyone has already jumped on the 'low fat' bandwagon.

I know what you are trying to say. For endurance sports, fat is more efficient source of 'energy'. Carbs are best needed for 'explosive' kind of power. Our bodies are evolved enough to live w/o dietary carbs, or very minimal amount of it. For the energy requirements it can switch to purely fat, or purely carbs, or combination of it (normally). You may want to read about ketogenic diets.

[nballa]

Carbohydrates Your brain, heart and kidneys depend on carbohydrates for energy to function properly. If your diet does not include enough carbohydrates your body will take extreme measures to get the energy it needs. What will happen is it will feed on carbohydrates stored in muscles and attempt to chemically break down the proteins you eat until those proteins look and act like carbohydrates. Such reactions can produce muscle loss and put extra strain on the kidneys as the body works to dispose of unused protein by-products. if you lead a sedantary life you can live on low-carb diet.

carbs are not stored in muscles, glycogen is and that is the first place your body goes to when it needs energy regardless of how many carbs you eat. also protein breakdown to carbs goes on everyday in your body so its not a desperate or extreme attempt by the body. athletes and i mean real athletes need carbs to keep at the top of their game, not cricketers or normal people who stand around most of the day.

[vvvslaxman]

I You can live healthily w/o any carbs in diet. But one will have to make many other changes, and there will be impact on 'strength'.

Any time i am low on carbs i am seriously energy starved. The day i eat rice i am able spend 800 to 900 calories in an hour. I do take 52 gram of protein after strength training. But any deficit in Glycogen completely drains me out. I need carbs more than fat.

[akshayxyz]

Carbohydrates Your brain, heart and kidneys depend on carbohydrates for energy to function properly. If your diet does not include enough carbohydrates your body will take extreme measures to get the energy it needs. What will happen is it will feed on carbohydrates stored in muscles and attempt to chemically break down the proteins you eat until those proteins look and act like carbohydrates. Such reactions can produce muscle loss and put extra strain on the kidneys as the body works to dispose of unused protein by-products. if you lead a sedantary life you can live on low-carb diet.

The calorie/carb requirements of brain are not too much, normal person can maintain it with about 100gms or so per day..and even if you eliminate carbs from diet completely, body can break down protein to carbs - just about enough, required for brain....or to replenish the minimal glycogen levels in muscles... btw - carbs are not stored in muscles, surplus carbs are stored in form of fat...and when body is short on carbs, it breaks down the fat to directly use it as energy.., and carb requirements ( if not met by diet) are met by breaking down dietary or stored protein. I have done absolute zero carb diets for as long as 2 months.. and people do it for much longer... w/o any problems, as long as you get your vitamins, fiber from supplements or other sources. And trust me, when I was on zero carb diet.. after first 10-15 minutes on cardio, I felt more energetic and efficient, and felt like going on forever... other people also shared similar experiences.

[vvvslaxman]

carbs are not stored in muscles, glycogen is and that is the first place your body goes to when it needs energy regardless of how many carbs you eat. also protein breakdown to carbs goes on everyday in your body so its not a desperate or extreme attempt by the body. athletes and i mean real athletes need carbs to keep at the top of their game, not cricketers or normal people who stand around most of the day.

You couldn't be more wrong. You say Ishant sharma, umesh yadav don't need carbo. They can gain energy by eating cheese in the middle of match? There are guys who don't need fat, carb, protein anything.. especially ladies. They just live on salads which contain minimal amount everything above. Just because something is possible doesn't mean that is right.

[akshayxyz]

Any time i am low on carbs i am seriously energy starved. The day i eat rice i am able spend 800 to 900 calories in an hour. I do take 52 gram of protein after strength training. But any deficit in Glycogen completely drains me out. I need carbs more than fat.

It happens when body is trying to switch to fat, as its primary source of fuel. Once you stay w/o carbs beyond 4-5 days, your body gets in constant ketogenic mode.. and you get used to it... And once you are in that ketogenic mode, you can live off with 40-50 gm of carbs.. to replenish the glycogen (minimal levels), and whatever your brain would need. Even if you cant, protein will be broken to get the required carbs.

[vvvslaxman]

The calorie/carb requirements of brain are not too much, normal person can maintain it with about 100gms or so per day..and even if you eliminate carbs from diet completely, body can break down protein to carbs - just about enough, required for brain....or to replenish the minimal glycogen levels in muscles... btw - carbs are not stored in muscles, surplus carbs are stored in form of fat...and when body is short on carbs, it breaks down the fat to directly use it as energy.., and carb requirements ( if not met by diet) are met by breaking down dietary or stored protein. I have done absolute zero carb diets for as long as 2 months.. and people do it for much longer... w/o any problems, as long as you get your vitamins, fiber from supplements or other sources. And trust me, when I was on zero carb diet.. after first 10-15 minutes on cardio, I felt more energetic and efficient, and felt like going on forever... other people also shared similar experiences.

Isn't fiber a carbohydrate complex carbohydrate that is.

[vvvslaxman]

It happens when body is trying to switch to fat, as its primary source of fuel. Once you stay w/o carbs beyond 4-5 days, your body gets in constant ketogenic mode.. and you get used to it... And once you are in that ketogenic mode, you can live off with 40-50 gm of carbs.. to replenish the glycogen (minimal levels), and whatever your brain would need. Even if you cant, protein will be broken to get the required carbs.

But there is a limit to how much protein you can eat per day right? I seriously believe there will be long term health impacts if you are on zero carb. I have seen people who developed severe depression being on low carb diet. You need every thing if you ask me. Just that you need to eat the right portions.

[akshayxyz]

Isn't fiber a carbohydrate complex carbohydrate that is.

Yes.. but the one that is excreted w/o extracting any energy. Primary role of fiber is for bowl movements. When I started on 0 carb diet, I made the mistake of taking no fiber and developed severe constipation. Some people are able to eliminate that too.

But there is a limit to how much protein you can eat per day right? I seriously believe there will be long term health impacts if you are on zero carb. I have seen people who developed severe depression being on low carb diet. You need every thing if you ask me. Just that you need to eat the right portions.

I do not think there is any theoretical limit on amount of protein you can eat. As long as you increase it gradually and drink lots of water, w/o that it will be too taxing on kidneys. Anyway, in ketogenic diets or in fact any diet - role of protein should be to provide material for muscle wear/tear or building.. not for energy. Primary source of energy should be either fat, or carbs. or combination of both. Hence, in typical ketogenic diets, about 65% of calories come from fat, and about 30% from protein, and less than 5% from carbs. Our body can adjust to lot of surprising diets. As for long term effects - read about Eskimos' diet - they live healthily throughout their lives with minimal carbs. And as for physiological functions we share all the genetic material with them :), in fact I am sure we share a significant amount (perhaps almost all) of genetic material related to physiological functions, with pure carnivores. It is just about making gradual changes and triggering the relevant body functions to adjust to the various diets.

[akshayxyz]

And even if you are skeptical about long term effects of 0 carb diets.., you can always do other variations of ketogenic diets - like Cyclic Ketogenic Diet.. in which you stay off carbs for 5-6 days (aided with some compound lifts), followed by 1-2 of days of carb loading, and then back to fat+protein meals. Or TKD ( targeted ketogenic diet) - where in you take about 40-50 gm of carbs once a day.. usually before gym.

[Yoda-esque]

Yes.. but the one that is excreted w/o extracting any energy. Primary role of fiber is for bowl movements. When I started on 0 carb diet, I made the mistake of taking no fiber and developed severe constipation. Some people are able to eliminate that too. I do not think there is any theoretical limit on amount of protein you can eat. As long as you increase it gradually and drink lots of water, w/o that it will be too taxing on kidneys. Anyway, in ketogenic diets or in fact any diet - role of protein should be to provide material for muscle wear/tear or building.. not for energy. Primary source of energy should be either fat, or carbs. or combination of both. Hence, in typical ketogenic diets, about 65% of calories come from fat, and about 30% from protein, and less than 5% from carbs. Our body can adjust to lot of surprising diets. As for long term effects - read about Eskimos' diet - they live healthily throughout their lives with minimal carbs. And as for physiological functions we share all the genetic material with them :), in fact I am sure we share a significant amount (perhaps almost all) of genetic material related to physiological functions, with pure carnivores. It is just about making gradual changes and triggering the relevant body functions to adjust to the various diets.

It is interesting no doubt,but I think Eskimoes live in harsh cold conditions and do a lot of manual labor which is why they are able to stomach all that fat.

[akshayxyz]

It is a myth that brain can not function w/o carbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-carbohydrate_diet

A no-carbohydrate diet (no-carb diet) is described as human carnivorism. It excludes dietary consumption of all carbohydrates and suggests fat as the main source of energy with sufficient protein. A no-carbohydrate diet is ketogenic, which means it causes the body to go into a state of ketosis (converting dietary fat and body fat into ketone bodies and using them to fuel the entire body and up to 95% of the brain. The remaining 5% still runs on glucose which is adequately supplied by converting dietary protein via gluconeogenesis or by converting glycerol from the breakdown of fat). It uses mainly animal source foods and requires a high saturated fat intake.