jairamesh Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 We are probably the worst sporting country in the world by a mile... Even countries like Kazakhstan and Slovakia have gotten medals.. Sadly,I dont see this changing (ever) It probably comes down to natural talent or infrastructure. Countries like Kazakhstan and Slovakia benefited hugely from the ethos and groundwork injected during communist rule to compete in sports for propaganda purposes. Let's look at China, who have been investing heavily from school teacher spoters to training academy. They have over 3000 medal factories around country to produce world class athletes. They already won more medals in one day at 2012 compared to entire 2 weeks of 2008 in swimming. Anyone watch that 16 year old Chinese female swimmer blast her way to victory! Outstanding stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 It probably comes down to natural talent or infrastructure. Countries like Kazakhstan and Slovakia benefited hugely from the ethos and groundwork injected during communist rule to compete in sports for propaganda purposes. Let's look at China, who have been investing heavily from school teacher spoters to training academy. They have over 3000 medal factories around country to produce world class athletes. They already won more medals in one day at 2012 compared to entire 2 weeks of 2008 in swimming. Anyone watch that 16 year old Chinese female swimmer blast her way to victory! Outstanding stuff. Just the other day I was watching a BBC documentary about seriously how the Communist bloc took the Olympics to be. For them it was more a matter of show casing the superiority of their way of life over the Western way. Like you've rightly said, the Chinese/Soviet/Kazakh etc system of training athletes is more factory like. Not only is it unnatural, but many a times the regimes have cheated to win. Case in point, many East German athletes who later admitted to doping to win in their respective sports. The question is do we want a system that produces Olympic winners for the sake of showing the world? I for one, am happy with what we have as long as it is done naturally. I don't buy the logic of government spending huge sums of money in a nation like ours to sponsor a few sportsmen to achieving a few gold at the Olympics. That can come after the government can provide the very basic to all the citizens. Having said that, I would rather have the corporates sponsor athletes in all these events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Just the other day I was watching a BBC documentary about seriously how the Communist bloc took the Olympics to be. For them it was more a matter of show casing the superiority of their way of life over the Western way. Like you've rightly said, the Chinese/Soviet/Kazakh etc system of training athletes is more factory like. Not only is it unnatural, but many a times the regimes have cheated to win. Case in point, many East German athletes who later admitted to doping to win in their respective sports. The question is do we want a system that produces Olympic winners for the sake of showing the world? I for one, am happy with what we have as long as it is done naturally. I don't buy the logic of government spending huge sums of money in a nation like ours to sponsor a few sportsmen to achieving a few gold at the Olympics. That can come after the government can provide the very basic to all the citizens. Having said that, I would rather have the corporates sponsor athletes in all these events. Are you saying that countries(like China) promotes its players to use drugs and that whatever they have done is by illegal means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Are you saying that countries(like China) promotes its players to use drugs and that whatever they have done is by illegal means? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that nations have done that in the past. Mainly communist nations - East Germany, Poland and a few more states from Eastern Europe. And the athletes have also later admitted to cheating. Whether or not the Chinese have done it, time will tell. Or maybe the dissidents will :D Countries like China pick children at a young age and have them practice for hours at ends to get a medal in the Olympics. This, according to me, is contra the spirit of the Olympics. Let a person choose a game, and not have the government choose a sport for a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 jwala and dijju look so nonathletic especially jwala' date=' how the heck did she get arjuna award.[/quote'] CWGbullies...:secret: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Narang, Bindra shooting now in qualifiers. Where can I watch? One of them will surely get gold in final http://www.london2012.com/shooting/event/men-10m-air-rifle/phase=shm101900/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 G.Narang to get a silver today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 G.Narang to get a silver today. Why silver? Go for gold, he shares World record of 600 doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that nations have done that in the past. Mainly communist nations - East Germany, Poland and a few more states from Eastern Europe. And the athletes have also later admitted to cheating. Whether or not the Chinese have done it, time will tell. Or maybe the dissidents will :D Countries like China pick children at a young age and have them practice for hours at ends to get a medal in the Olympics. This, according to me, is contra the spirit of the Olympics. Let a person choose a game, and not have the government choose a sport for a person. ^ I would agree with this line of thinking. Earlier I used to feel very bad seeing Indian contingent coming back empty handed, Olympics after Olympics. I used to question that why we don't do anything about that. But Now I think I would not recommend a China like approach for ourselves. Given a choice to allocate government money on various things, expenditure to ensure Olympics medals will come way down in my priority list. We have many other grave problems at our hands which need government corpus. If we could solve them sporting standards will improve automatically. Sporting achievements should be outcome of natural process. Model of factory-ization of sport which countries like Russia, East Germany, China took is definitely not recommended one for India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Countries like China pick children at a young age and have them practice for hours at ends to get a medal in the Olympics. This, according to me, is contra the spirit of the Olympics. Let a person choose a game, and not have the government choose a sport for a person. Still better than choosing your favourite sport and achieving nothing in it due to lack of facilities and politics :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Top 8 qualify for the medal round. Bindra on 9 rite now. Come on Abhinav. Gagan on 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Update. Bindra on 8 now Narang on 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Shoot. Narang drops to 7th. Come on Gagan and Abhinav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Shoot. Narang drops to 7th. Come on Gagan and Abhinav Yeah he got a 9. I don't care if he even gets 598, as long as he qualifies it's all good. Hopefully he can deliver the perfect 600 in final. Never done in olympics but he has done it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 What is Narang doing! All of a sudden 2 9's after perfect start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 What is Narang doing! All of a sudden 2 9's after perfect start Yeah and Abhinav has moved up to 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 The Italian guy finishes with 599 (equal to Olympic record), so even if Bindra and Narang get all 10s now they will not be first. But only priority is to make the top 8 and get in the final starting in 2 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Lets just qualify. yeah who cares about top score. This is some tough close competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I think you have to get atleast 597 to qualify so Bindra and Narang can probably only miss 1 more 10 maximum. Cmon boys! :cheer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Bindra another 9 Hopefully he gets 597, maybe 596 will be enough. It will be enough actually, No.9 has missed 4 already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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