Brainfade Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 +++++++++++++ As someone else here and gunner also keeps saying every time we meet, in India we are brought up with the culture of doing something only for the sake of monetary profit and nothing more. People don't aspire to be the best in what they do because in the first place not everybody wants to be a doctor or an engineer. There is a chronic laziness running in the country. After getting out, this was the first thing I observed in myself. And now, when I go back, I see how much I have changed. However, it is ridiculous to generalize that. I have seen some Indian dudes outside India make a really nice life for themselves doing the things they love. It is not a genetic thing, boyo. It is just the environment. Man, you guys are harsh. India's economy has not got to the point where a broad cross-section of careers will provide secure, somewhat lucrative careers. Many families are still trying to fight their way out of the rut. Many up-an-comers are still trying to support their parents, younger siblings, buy some property, and start to afford a lifestyle that looks beyond day-to-day subsistence. At this time, engineering/IT/medicine provide the most secure path to accomplishing these pragmatic goals; I see nothing wrong with it. The humanities and even basic sciences are still a luxury that many can ill-afford. Maybe ... just maybe, in about 50 years, we will start to see the shift to where a significant numbers people can afford to dabble in careers that "they love." JMHO. Added in edit: In the past 2-3 years, I see a sure trend towards wanting more "secure" careers among UG students and their parents here in the US. IT, Nursing, Accounting .... and fewer English, History, Music, Dance. It's the economy, of course.
Lurker Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 As someone else here and gunner also keeps saying every time we meet, in India we are brought up with the culture of doing something only for the sake of monetary profit and nothing more. People don't aspire to be the best in what they do because in the first place not everybody wants to be a doctor or an engineer. Whats with this atitude of blaming somebody else, in this case an entire nation, for your laziness??? You are lazy. Period. Dont go blaming India for the same. When people move abroad they are forced to be not lazy because there is no other option. In India there is always somebody to take care of you. So you get up in the morning the servant or your Mom makes the bed for you, cleans your clothes, wash the dishes yada yada. You come abroad and you have to do it yourself. Now is it Indian environment that makes you lazy or just you who were lazy in the first place and didnt do the right thing??? I think its the latter, you may think its the former. Careerwise I get it, yes most of us get into Medical & Engineering for that reason. But purely from a lifestyle perspective why are we so quick to blame somebody else, an entire nation, for our own bad choices? Not being moralistic, or harsh on you. But you kind of hit on what I was talking about in other posts, so.....:whistle:
Clarke Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 This is a rather simple issue (to me) that is fast developing into another thread with multi page responses, which frankly I dont mind but I just see me and you being so poles apart on this that we may have to respectfully disagree. Maybe one more shot on the topic here. We are different in approaches here I suppose. I am doing a bottom-up, you are doing a top-down, We both agree to owning responsiblities and having a system in place. I say former drives the latter, you say latter drives the former. No harm done, just different perspectives. :hatsoff: Personal responsibility is actually very much required whether we talk of building our economy or winning medals @ the Olympics. What i am sort of predicting is India's 2012 performance should at least be as good as last time (all time best, no matter if it was 3 medals) and the medal tally should continue to increase over the coming decades. I say this without following the sports themselves, hoping my model is correct :antijinx:
flamy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Whats with this atitude of blaming somebody else, in this case an entire nation, for your laziness??? You are lazy. Period. Dont go blaming India for the same. When people move abroad they are forced to be not lazy because there is no other option. In India there is always somebody to take care of you. So you get up in the morning the servant or your Mom makes the bed for you, cleans your clothes, wash the dishes yada yada. You come abroad and you have to do it yourself. Now is it Indian environment that makes you lazy or just you who were lazy in the first place and didnt do the right thing??? I think its the latter, you may think its the former. Careerwise I get it, yes most of us get into Medical & Engineering for that reason. But purely from a lifestyle perspective why are we so quick to blame somebody else, an entire nation, for our own bad choices? Not being moralistic, or harsh on you. But you kind of hit on what I was talking about in other posts, so.....:whistle: The fact that I was lazy then when in India and not anymore is personal proof for me. I'm not blaming anyone.
Lurker Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I was at the Barber yday flipping through the latest Football edition of Sports Illustrated while awaiting my turn. On the inside cover there is this advertisement about Visa Rewards Point. The punchline reminded me of this thread. Maybe some of you would run into that ad in a different mag. The ad showed a fit gal laying on a track. The punchline went thus - My Rewards Points bought me these shoes, waking up at 5 am was all me. Touche!
Nova Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 Man, you guys are harsh. India's economy has not got to the point where a broad cross-section of careers will provide secure, somewhat lucrative careers. Many families are still trying to fight their way out of the rut. Many up-an-comers are still trying to support their parents, younger siblings, buy some property, and start to afford a lifestyle that looks beyond day-to-day subsistence. At this time, engineering/IT/medicine provide the most secure path to accomplishing these pragmatic goals; I see nothing wrong with it. The humanities and even basic sciences are still a luxury that many can ill-afford. Maybe ... just maybe, in about 50 years, we will start to see the shift to where a significant numbers people can afford to dabble in careers that "they love." JMHO. Added in edit: In the past 2-3 years, I see a sure trend towards wanting more "secure" careers among UG students and their parents here in the US. IT, Nursing, Accounting .... and fewer English, History, Music, Dance. It's the economy, of course. This is a good post which provides another angle to a compound problem. In India many find themselves in a rat race where survival is more important than trying to excel in sports. Also, consider the model of workforce in the US, where even high school graduates could get decent jobs, for a middle class lifestyle, until the economy plummeted. To achieve the same standard of living in India, one has to slog through college and get a professional degree. But things are slowly changing everywhere.
Brainfade Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I was at the Barber yday flipping through the latest Football edition of Sports Illustrated while awaiting my turn. On the inside cover there is this advertisement about Visa Rewards Point. The punchline reminded me of this thread. Maybe some of you would run into that ad in a different mag. The ad showed a fit gal laying on a track. The punchline went thus - My Rewards Points bought me these shoes, waking up at 5 am was all me. Touche! In other words, unless you have the damn shoes, waking up at 5 am is worthless .... Threeche? :winky:
nballa Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 it depends on the demographics really, if you are talking between the ages of 18-30 then sluggish physique (chicken wing shoulders, weak arms/legs), looks, haircut, dressing style and everything, but after 30 they really show their mettle in the corporate world when all the physical aspects have very little meaning. the opposite is true for the western world.
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