Not so great cricket from late 50s

[vvvslaxman]

RUnning between the wickets by them is far superior than our current Indian team. They also hold the bat in proper hands lol. (Viru, Gauti.. learn)

[Guest BossBhai]

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[Old guy]

The comment was NOT in reference to super slo-mo/high-speed cinematography, but in reference to PAL/NTSC mode of recording 'normal' action. From the Berlin Olympics (1936) to now, frame rates in recording of video of normal motion has not changed. The opportunities in terms of high-speed photography have increased, but normal action is never viewed in high-speed. The point was made in context to the normal action and not in context to slow-mos and super-slow mos. Also, the video played here would be 25 because Australia has traditionally used PAL and not NTSC.

plz tell me the name of that book again ? pm it sorry i forgot and chat got deleted :--D

[Magneto]

Saurav, The moron already knows all of that as we have been thru this before ... this is just his typical style of arguing ... throw some random red herring in a post which will usual attract his side kicks and from then on it is a case of throwing all sorts insults , ridicule and such. In any case even if we assume that the frame rate of that video is far inferior to the current frame rates then what that means is that the video would make the actions appear faster than they actually were.

:hysterical: @ these red-herringish arguments that people do pointlessly. I think someone needs to write an article on this site about the history of video recording of sport chronologically - from the time 'filmstock' was used to contemporary HD recording. A lot of people here remain confused about these things and even sometime think that recording through newest technology would make motion appear faster and such.

[Magneto]

plz tell me the name of that book again ? pm it sorry i forgot and chat got deleted :--D

Kya karega book ka naam leke? Kharidega kaise? :winky: Anyway, find this book - 'How to read a film' by James Monaco. It's available online as well. Since you are collecting films now, it will open up things for you. (in a :woot: way)

[zen]

Some bowlers are here: (Look for the left arm spinner who is chucking almost every delivery). http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/20341.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/8944.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/16331.html Jim Laker seems to have a nice elegant action. Anyhow, I feel these guys cannot be compared at all with modern cricketers.

Thanks for the videos As for comparison, one thing you need to consider is how today's cricketers would have done if they were born during that time without the benefit of today's training and how those playing then would have fared if exposed to the current training methods If we go back to the history of aviation, Charles Lindbergh was the first to do a trans-Atlantic flight and considered as one of the best aviators. He is considered as one of the best for doing something which 100s of pilots do now everyday .... some food for thought

[Lurker]

I think someone needs to write an article on this site about the history of video recording of sport chronologically - from the time 'filmstock' was used to contemporary HD recording. A lot of people here remain confused about these things and even sometime think that recording through newest technology would make motion appear faster and such.

What probably needs to be written is this - Why are such nonsensical questioning about past cricketers coming ONLY out of India, and Indian fans? Rarely do I see Aussie fans digging videos of 50s and ridiculing greats (Aussies or non-Aussies) or the English, or the West Indians, or the Zealanders, Africans etc. Even the so called uncouth Pakistani fans do not do this. Its not only about cricket though. In US rarely do I see experts and fans comparing Jesse Owens and Usain Bolt. And seldom when they do they are greatly respectul to both. Only in India are the "fans" ready to dismiss Owens and claim Bolt as greatest ever. What is so unique, or retarded, about Indian fans? I beleive the answer will point to a midget who is gloriously choking as we speak. :giggle:

[vvvslaxman]

What probably needs to be written is this - Why are such nonsensical questioning about past cricketers coming ONLY out of India' date= and Indian fans? Rarely do I see Aussie fans digging videos of 50s and ridiculing greats (Aussies or non-Aussies) or the English, or the West Indians, or the Zealanders, Africans etc. Even the so called uncouth Pakistani fans do not do this. Its not only about cricket though. In US rarely do I see experts and fans comparing Jesse Owens and Usain Bolt. And seldom when they do they are greatly respectul to both. Only in India are the "fans" ready to dismiss Owens and claim Bolt as greatest ever. What is so unique, or retarded, about Indian fans? I beleive the answer will point to a midget who is gloriously choking as we speak. :giggle:

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[Guest BossBhai]

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[Guest NeutralCricket]

LoL at the usual fans of a certain Kirketer with vajradanti smile and currently a hawaldar in Indian Army asking people to go back to reading books in the Library to find out how cricket was played in the past ... I wonder why

who is that player :hmmm:

[tothepoint]

WB rett ... Iam sorry for the abuses in that thread. Can you tell us all the state of the art facilities, training and equipment that SRT had access to in the 80s and the benefits of these ? What Lindbergh did was very dangerous ... hence commendable. You cant be serious if you are suggesting that facing such trundlers is a equivalent to what Lindbergh did.

My apologies for jumping in to the middle of a discussion. But big kudos to Bossbhai for saying sorry. At ICF very rarely do I see that. Looking forward to a healthy debate. :two_thumbs_up:

[zen]

WB rett ... Iam sorry for the abuses in that thread. Can you tell us all the state of the art facilities, training and equipment that SRT had access to in the 80s and the benefits of these ? What Lindbergh did was very dangerous ... hence commendable. You cant be serious if you are suggesting that facing such trundlers is a equivalent to what Lindbergh did.

I am talking in general but if you want to talk abt particular players, it is not hard to see that Tendulkar did benefit from good coaching and training that allowed him to do proper justice to his talent. Since the games are broadcasted live, it also allows one get a feel of international cricket so for e.g. when he is facing Imran, he knows what exactly to expect rather than just go by what his colleges' advise ..... and then there is the general evolution of the game my point on Lindbergh was wrt 'evolution'. what he did is not dangerous today precisely because how things have evolved wrt to both technology and training of modern pilots

[Magneto]

What probably needs to be written is this - Why are such nonsensical questioning about past cricketers coming ONLY out of India' date= and Indian fans? Rarely do I see Aussie fans digging videos of 50s and ridiculing greats (Aussies or non-Aussies) or the English, or the West Indians, or the Zealanders, Africans etc. Even the so called uncouth Pakistani fans do not do this. Its not only about cricket though. In US rarely do I see experts and fans comparing Jesse Owens and Usain Bolt. And seldom when they do they are greatly respectul to both. Only in India are the "fans" ready to dismiss Owens and claim Bolt as greatest ever. What is so unique, or retarded, about Indian fans? I beleive the answer will point to a midget who is gloriously choking as we speak. :giggle:

If you think these kind of comparisons are unusual, you may need to think again. People all around the world have been comparing Usain Bolt with Jesse Owens, each trying to prove their points with videos, graphs and analysis. Here are some random links: http://www.slideshare.net/Carly00/jesse-owens-usain-bolt [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi4IEPrD6a8]Jesse Owens vs. Usain Bolt - YouTube[/ame] http://bleacherreport.com/articles/242389-usain-bolt-or-jesse-owens-whos-berlin-performance-was-more-impressive http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081021221332AAFRqqT http://www.rss.org.uk/uploadedfiles/documentlibrary/805.pdf http://boxingwriter.co.uk/2008/08/22/usain-bolt-muhammad-ali-and-the-impossible-comparison/ http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/How-would-Usain-Bolt-fare-in-the-long-jump-?urn=oly-185544 http://blog.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2011/12/old-school-vs-new-school-uh-having-the-schools-best-season-but/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26322489/ns/beijing_olympics-beijing_olympics_news/t/ioc-chides-bolt-lack-respect-rivals/ [ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJhLw3I132E[/ame] And finally, even the IOC president made a statement mentioning them in the same breath and almost comparing them. Quoting msnbc: IOC president Jacques Rogge hailed Bolt’s stunning achievements in the two sprints, comparing him to American great Jesse Owens, but said Bolt should have cut out the look-at-me flaunting and acknowledged the other athletes. “Bolt is in another dimension in sprints,” Rogge said. “Bolt must be considered now the same way like Jesse Owens should have been in the 1930s. Bolt has a bigger edge than Owens on his rivals. Of course, Owens had the long jump too, so you can’t compare people. If he maintains that in the future, Bolt will be someone that probably leaves a mark like Jesse Owens.” Of course this is a respectful comparison, but he is the IOC president and not a fan sitting on a forum where shadow warriors talk to each other without even knowing each other. Finally, comparisons are always fun and does not necessarily meant to demean either of them (with reference to the 'choking midget'.)

[Lurker]

Å£olt is in another dimension in sprints, Rogge said. Å£olt must be considered now the same way like Jesse Owens should have been in the 1930s. Bolt has a bigger edge than Owens on his rivals. Of course, Owens had the long jump too, so you canÃÕ compare people. If he maintains that in the future, Bolt will be someone that probably leaves a mark like Jesse Owens.

In other words Bolt has quite a bit to go before he leaves the mark like Jesse Owens. In other words he is not there yet. Compare this with midget-bhakts who have already been deluded to compare DB with SRT even though DB >>>>> SRT. By the way isnt it funny how you choose to grasp at Jesse Owens vs Bolt and didnot bother anywhere to reach for an Aussie comparing say Vinoo Mankad with Daniel Vettori. Or a Zealander comparing Subhas Gupte with Abdul Qadir. or a South African comparing Kapil Dev to Aubrey Faulkner??? Although I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt since you are a sensible poster, something tells me you are also one of those who are willing to bring down past cricketing heroes, Indian and non-Indian, to celebrate a modern day choker, no? :whistle:

[Magneto]

In other words Bolt has quite a bit to go before he leaves the mark like Jesse Owens. In other words he is not there yet. Compare this with midget-bhakts who have already been deluded to compare DB with SRT even though DB >>>>> SRT. By the way isnt it funny how you choose to grasp at Jesse Owens vs Bolt and didnot bother anywhere to reach for an Aussie comparing say Vinoo Mankad with Daniel Vettori. Or a Zealander comparing Subhas Gupte with Abdul Qadir. or a South African comparing Kapil Dev to Aubrey Faulkner??? Although I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt since you are a sensible poster, something tells me you are also one of those who are willing to bring down past cricketing heroes, Indian and non-Indian, to celebrate a modern day choker, no? :whistle:

1) In other words Bolt has quite a bit to go before he leaves the mark like Jesse Owens. In other words he is not there yet. ---- Rogge actually said this in 2008 after Bolt had won those two Olympic medals. (that is when the world really woke up to Bolt, and the comparisons had already began). Today, 3 and half years later, Bolt has won 5 more world championship golds and has 2 more world records. I guess Rogge would not hesitate to call him a legend if he speaks about Bolt now. 2) By the way isnt it funny how you choose to grasp at Jesse Owens vs Bolt and didnot bother anywhere to reach for an Aussie comparing say Vinoo Mankad with Daniel Vettori. Or a Zealander comparing Subhas Gupte with Abdul Qadir. or a South African comparing Kapil Dev to Aubrey Faulkner??? --- Because both are among the top 5 sportsmen EVER in their game and comparisons are bound to arise. Didn't care about a Mankad vs Vettori comparison because neither do we compare Richie Benaud to Anil Kumble or something like that. (I can show you a lot of comparisons like this in some of our Padosi sites though :giggle:) 3) Although I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt since you are a sensible poster, something tells me you are also one of those who are willing to bring down past cricketing heroes, Indian and non-Indian, to celebrate a modern day choker, no? --- Haha, you are willing to bring down a modern-day great by that statement, but you will NEVER find me bringing down a past legend when comparing two players or something like that. Even if I speak derogatorily of someone (like Javed Mianded for e.g) it is simply because of the impression they have left on me as a person, and that has nothing to do with their cricketing prowess. And that comment would still be made in jest.

[Lurker]

1) In other words Bolt has quite a bit to go before he leaves the mark like Jesse Owens. In other words he is not there yet. ---- Rogge actually said this in 2008 after Bolt had won those two Olympic medals. (that is when the world really woke up to Bolt, and the comparisons had already began). Today, 3 and half years later, Bolt has won 5 more world championship golds and has 2 more world records. I guess Rogge would not hesitate to call him a legend if he speaks about Bolt now.

Well then, why bother putting an old link if you are NOT willing to hear criticism about it? Instead of assuming what X,Y,Z would say, or not say, how about you take it for what it is?? And that is Bolt NOT being in the same class YET! Yet being the time the article was posted of course.

2) By the way isnt it funny how you choose to grasp at Jesse Owens vs Bolt and didnot bother anywhere to reach for an Aussie comparing say Vinoo Mankad with Daniel Vettori. Or a Zealander comparing Subhas Gupte with Abdul Qadir. or a South African comparing Kapil Dev to Aubrey Faulkner??? --- Because both are among the top 5 sportsmen EVER in their game and comparisons are bound to arise. Didn't care about a Mankad vs Vettori comparison because neither do we compare Richie Benaud to Anil Kumble or something like that. (I can show you a lot of comparisons like this in some of our Padosi sites though :giggle:)

Which was the whole point, isnt it? Thank you for proving it :giggle::giggle: Nobody, aside from Indian fans, gets into Benaud vs Vinoo Mankad etc. It is the only the previlige of Indian fans to get into moronic discussion, dig up old videos, become photography expert, talk of frames per second ONLY to justify a choker. The offer remains open. Show me an Aussie dissing an Indian legend based on video. Or an African dissing a Pakistani batsman for that matter. I of course can show you tons of retarded comparison dissing past greats only with an agenda to show why DB was not the greatest batsman ever.

--- Haha, you are willing to bring down a modern-day great by that statement, but you will NEVER find me bringing down a past legend when comparing two players or something like that. Even if I speak derogatorily of someone (like Javed Mianded for e.g) it is simply because of the impression they have left on me as a person, and that has nothing to do with their cricketing prowess. And that comment would still be made in jest.

There is a reason why you were NOT dumped in the cheerleader camp, which is because you havent gone that route of dissing past greats. But hold your horses one fine day you may be in a spot where anything less than SRT being greatest bat will render you a psec lol. xxx

[Magneto]

Well then, why bother putting an old link if you are NOT willing to hear criticism about it? Instead of assuming what X,Y,Z would say, or not say, how about you take it for what it is?? And that is Bolt NOT being in the same class YET! Yet being the time the article was posted of course. Which was the whole point, isnt it? Thank you for proving it :giggle::giggle: Nobody, aside from Indian fans, gets into Benaud vs Vinoo Mankad etc. It is the only the previlige of Indian fans to get into moronic discussion, dig up old videos, become photography expert, talk of frames per second ONLY to justify a choker. The offer remains open. Show me an Aussie dissing an Indian legend based on video. Or an African dissing a Pakistani batsman for that matter. I of course can show you tons of retarded comparison dissing past greats only with an agenda to show why DB was not the greatest batsman ever. There is a reason why you were NOT dumped in the cheerleader camp, which is because you havent gone that route of dissing past greats. But hold your horses one fine day you may be in a spot where anything less than SRT being greatest bat will render you a psec lol. xxx

1) The 'old' link simply pointed out the fact that the comparisons have already begun, (or the indications towards a comparison) none other than the IOC president himself. 2) Indian fans are geeks anyway, and like to look at history and argue because they are far more obsessed with the sport than the Australians and South Africans (at a geekery level). The padosi fans do the same indicating how important 'cricket' is to the subcontinent. I'll keep an eye on the offer though, and will try and look at non-subcontinental fan trends when I have ample time. 3) Not dumped in the cheerleader squad? I can still be a cheerleader of my IPL team :yay:

[Lurker]

2) Indian fans are geeks anyway, and like to look at history and argue because they are far more obsessed with the sport than the Australians and South Africans (at a geekery level). The padosi fans do the same indicating how important 'cricket' is to the subcontinent.

Err no. Only a certain section of Indian fans have gone this retarded route. Not sure what has triggered it but such "fans" are almost always in the SRT camp. For example, I am yet to see an Indian fan dig up a video like up above and claim - Huh why is Bill Lawry considered to be a great opener? Sunny Gavaskar was miles ahead". Or a Kapil fan digging up a Ray Lindwall clip and going "Jeez is this the great Aussie fast bowler? Kapil was on a different level altogether". Why are such retards who make these comparisons also happen to be a SRT bhakt? Any co-relation there? Perhaps driven by a causality (Don Bradman)? Of course my initial point very much remains, that is non-Indians seldom do what certain sections of Indian fans do routinely. Diss old greats to perch up the midget.

I can still be a cheerleader of my IPL team :yay:

That doesnt qualify. Me no get 20/20. :headshake:

[Magneto]

Err no. Only a certain section of Indian fans have gone this retarded route. Not sure what has triggered it but such "fans" are almost always in the SRT camp. For example, I am yet to see an Indian fan dig up a video like up above and claim - Huh why is Bill Lawry considered to be a great opener? Sunny Gavaskar was miles ahead". Or a Kapil fan digging up a Ray Lindwall clip and going "Jeez is this the great Aussie fast bowler? Kapil was on a different level altogether". Why are such retards who make these comparisons also happen to be a SRT bhakt? Any co-relation there? Perhaps driven by a causality (Don Bradman)? Of course my initial point very much remains, that is non-Indians seldom do what certain sections of Indian fans do routinely. Diss old greats to perch up the midget. That doesnt qualify. Me no get 20/20. :headshake:

20/20 is real cricket :yoyo: