Should Thirimanne have been sent off?

[jairamesh]

Ahh Bradman, pretty much up there with the moon landing....credibility in question.

[Trichromatic]

http://thecricketcouch.com/blog/2012/02/22/caught-stealing/

It was quite ridiculous and against the spirit of the game to allow the batsman to continue. He was out and clearly players didn't follow the rules. Indian team should be blamed for this. Weird mentality.

[Brainfade]

It was quite ridiculous and against the spirit of the game to allow the batsman to continue. He was out and clearly players didn't follow the rules. Indian team should be blamed for this. Weird mentality.

In Sehwag's own words "It was soft. But that's the way we are ... we did it to avoid criticism." It sounded almost like being soft is a virtue, and that our actions need to be based on others' opinions of us. My parents' generation preached this crap relentlessly.

[Brainfade]

Isnt that Dennis Lillee.

Yup. My cursory search couldn't find any pictures of the WI greats bowling with a field like that.

Yeah certainly a case(Marshall) for best-ever. Had the full repertoire. Lovely run-up, smooth action, ability to swing both ways, could bowl off-cutters and also developed a mean leg cutter towards the end of his career. Incidentally he credited Imran Khan with knowledge transfer of leg-cutter who had picked it from Dennis Lillee who in turn had picked it from John Snow. One more reason why fast bowlers have their own union, and why Imran was rated greatly by best pace bowlers.

Question is ... what did Marshall do to adopt the non-bottle-cap version of Imran's leg-cutter :-).

That picture, there is something fascinating about it, isnt it? It is pre-professional era (by today's standards). Dennis Lillee with button down shirt, batsmen with only pads and skull cap. Rod Marsh with tree trunk legs and slips and gully galore. Marvellous sight.

Imagine how easy the radio commentators' job was. No need to recite ... "Do slip, ek third man, ek gully, ek cover, ek mid-off, ek mid-on ..." etc. It was simply "saath slip aur do gully."

[Ultimate_Game]

In Sehwag's own words "It was soft. But that's the way we are ... we did it to avoid criticism." It sounded almost like being soft is a virtue' date=' and that our actions need to be based on others' opinions of us. My parents' generation preached this crap relentlessly.[/quote'] It's the same frigging "bend over backwards to please firangis" mentality all over again. I thought we had gotten past it by now, especially since Ganguly took over but I guess not Looks like some players are more keen to be projected in a good light than actually try and win the match for the team.

[VRV Singh]

In all this instance you feel sorry for Ashwin. He has been alert enough to know the law. But first he is encountered with dopey Teriyaki looking at him like he has murdered someone, Reiffel abandoning his umpiring duties and the senior brigade sucking up. The guy is nearly halfway down the pitch before the ball is bowled, what a joke. No surprise that unofficial Lankan Tom Moody thought that not out = common sense.

[nikred]

WTF was wrong with the Indian team? He was literally a walking wicket, after that incident. I can't believe the bowlers were not informed, even if they did not notice it themselves, about what that idiot was doing.

[Lurker]

Question is ... what did Marshall do to adopt the non-bottle-cap version of Imran's leg-cutter :-).

lol..Well Imran would be using bottle-cap for reverse swing so not so much use for it for leg cutters. Waise I am not sure if I saw Imran bowling too many leg cutters, with his action he would almost always get the ball inwards to the batsmen, a leg cutter from that action would have been deadly.

Imagine how easy the radio commentators' job was. No need to recite ... "Do slip, ek third man, ek gully, ek cover, ek mid-off, ek mid-on ..." etc. It was simply "saath slip aur do gully."

:haha::haha:

[saneindian]

lady Jaya whining to the umpires about the non striker backing up too far. And the other day he was preaching the media how he would not worry about non strikers taking a start before a delivery is bowled. These whiners deserve no "spirit of the game" sympathy.

[rkt.india]

lady Jaya whining to the umpires about the non striker backing up too far. And the other day he was preaching the media how he would not worry about non strikers taking a start before a delivery is bowled. These whiners deserve no "spirit of the game" sympathy.

:cantstop:

[TheWall]

Double standard lady jaya - goes on to prove that Lankans are No.1 cheaters...

[Ultimate_Game]

lady Jaya whining to the umpires about the non striker backing up too far. And the other day he was preaching the media how he would not worry about non strikers taking a start before a delivery is bowled. These whiners deserve no "spirit of the game" sympathy.

What's new? Do you expect different from the folks who actually bowled a deliberate no-ball to deny batsman a century? Or who actually cheated at the toss by changing the call from tails to heads as soon as they figured the ref hadn't heard clearly.

[achilles]

lady Jaya whining to the umpires about the non striker backing up too far. And the other day he was preaching the media how he would not worry about non strikers taking a start before a delivery is bowled. These whiners deserve no "spirit of the game" sympathy.

Who was their target? Forrest?

[J P K]

Dhoni says umpires should take Mankading call MS Dhoni has said it is unfair to put the onus on the fielding captain when an appeal for mankading is made, as it was against Lahiru Thirimanne during India's match against Sri Lanka on Tuesday. R Ashwin had spotted Thirimanne leave the crease well before the ball was bowled, he ran him out, and then appealed. The umpires asked Virender Sehwag, the captain then because Dhoni wasn't playing that game, if he wanted to go ahead with the appeal, and fearing criticism Sehwag withdrew the appeal. Dhoni questioned the existence of the rule if the captain has to be asked every time. "I feel that [unfair] is what it [the act of asking the captain] is," Dhoni said. "Either there should be rules or there shouldn't be rules. Why are you asking the captain? Why are you putting him in a position? But I think the right thing was done. Because the captain was asked, we withdrew the appeal." Dhoni said the right thing was done because India wanted to give Thirimanne the benefit of the doubt because these rules keep changing, and it is possible that players are not abreast with all the changes. "Because what happens is too many rules are getting changed," Dhoni said. "Often what's important is to give the batsman a fair chance, like a warning, saying, 'Okay, please don't do it.'" Sehwag, though, said that Ashwin had warned Thirimanne. "A proper warning always is, you get him out and then it's a proper warning," Dhoni said. "Nobody listens to you until you do it." However, Dhoni showed a much better understanding of the rule than the other two captains involved in the triangular. Mahela Jayawardene said he wouldn't even have removed the bails because he wants to keep the game "nice and clean". Michael Clarke said he didn't even like mankading, before saying only persistent backing-up would force him to contemplate it after proper warning. "I'm glad that nothing has come of it," Clarke said. "It's a part of the game I don't like. I don't like the mankad rule at all. I don't think you should be able to mankad." Dhoni, though, said he understood the rule was changed last year to keep the batsman in their crease, to prevent that unfair advantage of a head-start even before a ball is bowled. Dhoni said if any party could be accused of unfair play in this case, it was the batsman, and not the fielding side, as the convention of spirit of cricket would dictate. "It was important to appeal," Dhoni said. "The reason being it's in the law that the batsman can't go out. Often it is put on the opposition captain. For example, on Virender Sehwag. Saying, you know, it's wrong. If it's part of the rule, it's not wrong. Of course to take the decision or not the decision is something different. "Eventually if you are saying somebody was cheating - if I may use the word cheating, you can use some other word - in this case, then the batsman getting out is the one who is cheating, because he is not allowed to do that. So I think it was a fair thing to do. You can't always have the batsman going so far ahead because he can complete the run if it goes to short fine or point or short third, he is in a better position to complete the run. I think it was a good decision. At the end that he was not taken out by our skipper." http://www.espncricinfo.com/commonwealth-bank-series-2012/content/current/story/555158.html

[Crookbond]

Why is the bowler not given a warning that his foot was over the line in much the same way that the batsmen are expected to be warned when they are deliberately stealing a few precious centimetres? IÃÎ afraid I no longer subscribe to the theory that it is accidental. ItÃÔ happening too often for it to be accidental. In an era where run outs are adjudicated on by the third umpire and it often comes down to a tiny margin, almost a video frame, there must be some way to ensure that batsmen arenÃÕ taking the mickey.

http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/diffstrokes/archives/2012/02/mankading_is_no_grey_area_1.php

[adi B]

he was out, indians are not rutheless, they are like chalta hai, chhodo yaar, type attitude, so didnt do anything, in such an international game with proffesional rules set up, why call him back, he was fooking out, indians have to get out of this batting mentality shell, nd think about the bowlers

[adi B]

Double standard lady jaya - goes on to prove that Lankans are No.1 cheaters...

lankans and aussies are biggest cheats inside the field, pakistan outside the field :giggle: nanga,lady jaya,ranatunga are some the biggest whiners in the history of the game remember what they did to dada when he was stranded on 96 not out at galle, sehwag on 99, sachin on 96 in cuttack etc etc

[Mandrake]

Mahila wants to keep the game "nice and clean":hysterical:

[Crookbond]

Following the rules cannot, by any means, be considered as being against the spirit of the game. When India appealed for run-out against a non-striker who was backing up, and against a batsman who touched the ball with his hand, they were following the laws. How can that be morally wrong?

Isn't refusing to walk after nicking the ball, or appealing when you know the batsman isn't out more unethical than mankading? Yet we conveniently treat the former two as a part of today's "cricketing culture", but mankading is considered a crime

Source : http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/556550.html

[Crookbond]

I am not sure why the above topic is merged. It's not a thread about Thirimanne as suggested in this thread title. It's concerned with other things too. For good measure the articles talks about Kapil Dev Manakading, David Hussey run out so probably should be merged with those threads too.