Lack of death bowlers

[jairamesh]

I don't think Dernbach is useless.He is still not experianced and in learning stage.India is very strong team at home so it was obvious for him to be smashed.Even if a bowler get smashed by good quality of batsmen but can stop average batsmen in death overs ' date='still he is very useful bowler as most of the team in world have very average quality of batting[/quote'] Yes a bowler conceding 6 runs per over is useful! Bloody hell he has conceded over 6 in domestic one day games! Dernbach is not a cricketer. It still beggars to belief how he gets picked, Flower got his selection wrong on this saffer.

[Cricket Tragic]

If there is dew in Bang (likely), then we're going to get ****ed. Good batting pitch + dew + our bowlng = RAPE Our useless bowling attack won't be able to defend even 400.

[SLICKR392]

We need a bowler who balls good yorkers in the end. Unlike most of the bowlers who think bowling slow in the death overs will save them runs and get them wickets. :facepalm:

[jairamesh]

We need a bowler who balls good yorkers in the end. Unlike most of the bowlers who think bowling slow in the death overs will save them runs and get them wickets. :facepalm:

Exactly, those silly slow bowls are for players who can't play cricket, i.e. Vinay or players like Dernbach.

[Lord]

We need a bowler who balls good yorkers in the end. Unlike most of the bowlers who think bowling slow in the death overs will save them runs and get them wickets. :facepalm:

one name comes to mind.Agarkar.Ajit Agarkar

[Crookbond]

one name comes to mind.Agarkar.Ajit Agarkar

Have we had better bowlers at the death than Sir Ajit Agarkar?

[Ultimate_Game]

Have we had better bowlers at the death than Sir Ajit Agarkar?

Nehra was decent. I remember even Prabhakar used to be good before he was taken apart in the last game he played against SL. But in recent times we have really struggled to find a decent end overs specialist.

[jairamesh]

Agarkar was right up there, and still has it in him based on what I have seen from IPL. But young death bowlers don't just pop-up like raw pace or swing bowlers, it takes years playing the game (domestic and international) and understanding the pitch, match situation, and opposition. That's why I think last 4 years Zaheer Khan was the best death bowler in world cricket alongside Malinga and Steyn. His loss of form and fitness will be a big blow.

[jairamesh]

Just watching Brett Lee bowl today, and he still as no clue how bowl at the death after all these years, though Watson was brilliant.

[Ultimate_Game]

Just watching Brett Lee bowl today' date=' and he still as no clue how bowl at the death after all these years, though Watson was brilliant.[/quote'] Somehow these bowlers (Lee, Hilfenhaus, Pattinson, Harris etc.) look like match-winners against us :dontknow:

[Number]

Just watching Brett Lee bowl today' date=' and he still as no clue how bowl at the death after all these years, though Watson was brilliant.[/quote'] With the wet ball , it was quite difficult to bowl in block-holes today. Brett Lee is a superb ODI bowler , can be the best ODI pace bowler of all-time.

[Crookbond]

Nehra was decent. I remember even Prabhakar used to be good before he was taken apart in the last game he played against SL. But in recent times we have really struggled to find a decent end overs specialist.

Spot on about Prabhakar. Kapil Dev before him used to be pretty effective in cleaning up the tail. Personally, I don't think Zaheer Khan is a good death bowler. Nehra was good but his fitness levels leave much to be desired.

[Crookbond]

Agarkar was right up there, and still has it in him based on what I have seen from IPL. But young death bowlers don't just pop-up like raw pace or swing bowlers, it takes years playing the game (domestic and international) and understanding the pitch, match situation, and opposition. That's why I think last 4 years Zaheer Khan was the best death bowler in world cricket alongside Malinga and Steyn. His loss of form and fitness will be a big blow.

Just wondering, is it the time to have separate bowlers for limited overs and Test cricket especially in the sub - continent. The demands are pretty different

[Crookbond]

If there is dew in Bang (likely), then we're going to get ****ed. Good batting pitch + dew + our bowlng = RAPE Our useless bowling attack won't be able to defend even 400.

Bowling with a soap bar, eh?

[Ultimate_Game]

Just wondering' date=' is it the time to have separate bowlers for limited overs and Test cricket especially in the sub - continent. The demands are pretty different[/quote'] We are finding it tough to field 2 good bowlers in any format and you want us to have separate bowlers in all formats :omg:

[Sid]

We are finding it tough to field 2 good bowlers in any format and you want us to have separate bowlers in all formats :omg:

:cantstop:

[jairamesh]

One can only hope then BCCI are serious with this proposal of having a talent pool of bowlers, which could pay dividends in the short term. Seeing RP Singh playing that final test in England was a real low point and shows far (or seriously) organization is taken by BCCI and management. But in the long term, re-structuring of the grass-root cricket is needed by providing better coaching and fitness advice to upcoming talent.

[Ultimate_Game]

One can only hope then BCCI are serious with this proposal of having a talent pool of bowlers, which could pay dividends in the short term. Seeing RP Singh playing that final test in England was a real low point and shows far (or seriously) organization is taken by BCCI and management. But in the long term, re-structuring of the grass-root cricket is needed by providing better coaching and fitness advice to upcoming talent.

Nothing will change. If the same board thinks we don't need an inquest into the 0-8 debacle, and that winning 5-0 in odis at home against Eng is equivalent to being whitewashed 0-4 away in Tests, or that winning at home is good enough to compensate for being whitewashed away :facepalm:

[Crookbond]

We are finding it tough to field 2 good bowlers in any format and you want us to have separate bowlers in all formats :omg:

Isn't the reason of this caused by playing all formats and turning niggles into injuries?

[Ultimate_Game]

Isn't the reason of this caused by playing all formats and turning niggles into injuries?

I am all for us having a centrally contracted pool of promising bowlers and batsmen but knowing BCCI and their penchant for being penny wise pound foolish, I doubt anything will happen as I've pointed out in my previous post above.