Seriously why blame IPL?

[riya]

What ???IPL unearthed Marshall,Lillee,Ambrose...:omg:

[debachat]

Never understood the logic in blaming IPL. Remember our test ranking #1 and world cup win were both during the same time. Tactically speaking, IPL has really revolutionized cricket. The fielding has gone up. The thinking has also been better such as now 8 runs per over is not a difficult task. Teams have become more tactically astute. New playing shots are in the game and all in all, brought something new to the tactically front. Our Indian players get the experience of playing with overseas players and even some great players. Their own confidence goes up and they learn a lot of about adaptability and handling game pressure. Why is it though that IPL must produce quality Indian players instantly? Even Ranji trophies does not carry that idea. Instead IPL is increasing the squad depth of the indian team with more better players available and we certainly have more options around with IPL than without it. It really confuses me that when an Indian hate an Indian product. But when someone else has the similar product, some are then jealous and envy it.

Leaving everything aside - just the bolded part - is that why we refused to chase a mediocre total against a mediocre side being the #1 side in the world. Problem with IPL is the incentive system. Where is the incentive to play for the country and 5 day matches and even one day matches if you can earn a few hundred thousand for 2 months of 20 over cricket. Why should anyone care about being picked or dropped from the Indian team.

[debachat]

You are assuming people only correlate IPL with T20s. Brilliant minds on this board have linked it any format where we fail to deliver. Cause we pay guys like Uthappa millions in IPL' date=' guys like Sehwag and Gambhir and even veterans like SRT and RD decided to lay bricks in test cricket. That's how it goes.[/quote'] Care to elaborate why that is a wrong correlation. There is a seeming cause and effect that cant be shrugged off - some astute minds may miss it but broad brush statements without any logic dont support it. Else, how come players get injured and skip the international games but everyone is fit and geared for IPL. Sehwag played last IPL with an injured shoulder and skipped the England series (not that it would have made a difference but still) and this winter again he was injured but fit again for IPL.

[someone]

Leaving everything aside - just the bolded part - is that why we refused to chase a mediocre total against a mediocre side being the #1 side in the world. Problem with IPL is the incentive system. Where is the incentive to play for the country and 5 day matches and even one day matches if you can earn a few hundred thousand for 2 months of 20 over cricket. Why should anyone care about being picked or dropped from the Indian team.

WTF? I guess you really have no professional knowledge as you simply cannot get yourself into the players' shoes.

[vvvslaxman]

What ???IPL unearthed Marshall' date='Lillee,Ambrose...:omg:[/quote'] It has unearthed Salman butt, Aamer, Azharuddin :cantstop:

[riya]

It has unearthed Salman butt' date=' Aamer, Azharuddin :cantstop:[/quote'] :cantstop::cantstop::cantstop::cantstop:

[Marut]

It has unearthed Salman butt' date=' Aamer, Azharuddin :cantstop:[/quote'] :cantstop::cantstop::cantstop:

[Shanal]

Some of the reasons I feel that it is pretty unhealthy for Indian cricket are.... 1) India has consistently played utmost pathetic cricket in important tournaments held within a few months after the IPL. a) ICC World Twenty20, 2009 - Won both their games in the First Round against the smaller teams of Ireland and Bangladesh. But when they were pitted against the better teams in their Second Round, lost ALL their games against RSA, WI & Eng. b) ICC Champions Trophy, 2009 - Knocked out after the First Stage. c) ICC World Twenty20, 2010 - Won both their games in the First Round against the Afghanistan & RSA. But in their Second Round, lost ALL their games against Aus, SL & WI. d) Indian Tour of England, 2011 - Don't want to expand on it, as everyone must be very well aware of how we were demolished, and the coveted World Number 1 was ripped away from us. Note:- I'm not blaming IPL for all those losses, just have a feeling that IPL had played a major role along with several other factors. I just hope this doesn't happen in the T20 WC 2012. :nervous: 2) Top Indian Cricketers attitude towards IPL. In this day of Indian Cricket, International Cricket has taken a back seat, and IPL is the most important tournament for any Indian cricketer. The prime example of this is Sehwag (my favourite Indian player). In the year 2011, Sehwag showed how much important it was for him to represent Delhi in IPL, than India in International cricket. He had some problems with his shoulders, and the doctor whom he consulted advised him to not take part in the IPL, and undergo the surgery instead. But how could Sehwag miss the most important tournament in World Cricket? He chose to not undergo the surgery, and planned to undergo it after the IPL, when he must have known that India had full tours to WI & Eng just after the IPL. The consequence of not undergoing the shoulder surgery on time, was he was unfit for the WI series, and just managed to play two tests in the England tour. Had he placed India ahead of Delhi, he might have taken part in the entire England tour, and may be in the WI tour as well. Apart from this disappointing act, Sehwag has consistently given tournaments held after the IPL a miss due to injuries. Tournaments deserving mention are: ICC World Twenty20, 2009, ICC Champions Trophy, 2009 & ICC World Twenty20, 2010. Next up, Sachin Tendulkar (my second favourite Indian player). The level of respect he commands from me and the rest of the Indians is just unexplainable in words. But I'm always left a l'il disappointed after seeing him participating in the IPL. Sachin has not been a major part of the Indian ODI team, as he continuously chooses to take rest from several ODI series on account of his age. I don't blame him for that, as at his age, and the effort which he has already put in, he deserves some good amount of rest. But when his body needs rest, why is he wasting his super-precious stamina on some tournament which runs for two months at a stretch with about 18 games being played during this period of time. He is only harming his stamina and body with it. I would have loved to see him taking rest from IPL, as he does in several ODI tournaments, and then continue to perform at the top-level as he has been doing in the past 22 years. I do accept that Sachin has every right to do what he thinks best, and he certainly knows better than all of us, but anyways its MY opinion. 3) The shocking amount of injuries. IPL to me is THE best place to get yourself injured. On second thoughts, it might be second best after the Spanish Bullfighting events. The tournaments which I have already mentioned above did not have the best Indian XI in most cases in the team. In almost all of them, top 4-5 Indian players were missing. Regular missers were Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer, Ishant, Nehra and other big Indian names. 4) The months of April and May which were earlier used by the team to rest and recuperate, is now being used to play 18 matches of super-fast cricket. I just don't know what will happen to these cricketers in the long-run, if they keep exploiting their bodies like this. When is the time to rest??? Is this the reason what has made 'young' Dhoni to start thinking about his retirement already? I think all these problems could be solved if BCCI decides to be a little less money-minded and makes IPL a one-month tournament. A one-month IPL with about 8-10 matches per team would be perfect for cricketer's health and for spectator's entertainment. But I fear it might not be as healthy for BCCI pockets, which is why I believe they will continue to ignore the above problems and continue minting money with its money-minting machine, The IPL. PS: I'm not an IPL hater, rather I'm an avid :kkr: supporter.

[fineleg]

rather I'm an avid :kkr: supporter.

And as long as folks like you are KusKusRa supporter or CutletSamosaKichadi supporter or whatever else, this joke of a tournament will continue to harm Indian cricket. Next decade will be very telling on how the next generation growing up in IPL-era shapes up in more rigorous Test match levels.

[yoda]

Care to elaborate why that is a wrong correlation. There is a seeming cause and effect that cant be shrugged off - some astute minds may miss it but broad brush statements without any logic dont support it. Else' date=' how come players get injured and skip the international games but everyone is fit and geared for IPL. Sehwag played last IPL with an injured shoulder and skipped the England series (not that it would have made a difference but still) and this winter again he was injured but fit again for IPL.[/quote'] Players get injured in every form of the game and rush back to play in every form of the game. Yes the money factor in IPL makes it tough for players to skip them, but it is their livelihood, who am I to question what their priorities should be? I for one am not going to say, oh skip the millions and play for the country. Playing for the country is not an obligation. We had one format to begin with, a second one got added, now we have a third one. Players got injured playing meaningless ODIs causing them to miss tests, now they get injured playing the IPL. What's the difference?

[Shanal]

And as long as folks like you are KusKusRa supporter or CutletSamosaKichadi supporter or whatever else' date=' this joke of a tournament will continue to harm Indian cricket. Next decade will be very telling on how the next generation growing up in IPL-era shapes up in more rigorous Test match levels.[/quote'] I tried my best to avoid IPL in the first 15 days of the tournament, then lost. What do I do, when the sport which I love most is on TV? Watch Golf instead of IPL? IPL is sheer entertainment, ACCEPT it. Its going nowhere, and is here to stay, regardless of how strong we feel against it. I do accept that it is doing more harm than good, but BCCI is very busy printing money. So what do you expect me to do? Do a 'Anna Hazare' against BCCI or relax and watch my favourite sport on TV? But I still believe that had it been a one-month tournament, it would have been much better for us and for the cricketers.

[Marut]

And as long as folks like you are KusKusRa supporter or CutletSamosaKichadi supporter or whatever else' date=' this joke of a tournament will continue to harm Indian cricket. Next decade will be very telling on how the next generation growing up in IPL-era shapes up in more rigorous Test match levels.[/quote'] But there is no other cricket at the moment to see, as an India fan. IPL is being forced down the throats and it has to be swallowed. At least here, there is no heart break of India getting flogged. The IPL window of two months also ensures that there are very few important international events at this time, because some important overseas players are participating in the IPL. In future there will be PPL, SLPL, BPL, Big Bash, WIPL, NZPL, EPL,SAPL and so on, each taking up 2 week-6 week windows in the international calender. Cricket fans may have to put up with watching 6-9 months of this T20 tamasha. I do not think IPL can be or needs to be scrapped altogether. We need to move with the times. Its duration can be shortened and international participation must be reduced so as to not disrupt international cricket. The 2 month IPL window is really doing serious harm to cricket as a whole, and will get worse when other countries open up their own leagues.

[Crookbond]

Can't we like the IPL and International cricket? Does it have to be either - or?

[Shanal]

^^ Yes, IPL and International Cricket can very well stay together, and we can love 'em both. But in its current state, IPL is causing harm to International Cricket (esp. Indian International Cricket), which many of us are not liking, and hence, the protest and hate comments.

[Crookbond]

In this case, can we rather try to constructively build the IPL to make it better rather than spewing "hate" against it? Marut makes a very good point.

[Shanal]

can we rather try to constructively build the IPL to make it better

But 'we' have no powers. Its the BCCI who controls everything. Most sane Indians aka 'we' wish IPL to be a shorter tournament to reduce its negative impacts on Indian cricket, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

[Crookbond]

By we, I meant the BCCI and the cricket administration. I get where you come from but spewing "hate" against the IPL won't help too. #JustSaying

[Tiger80]

Industrialists, Politicians and filmstars are root cause of all problems in IPL .All these people think that they can do whatever they can.

[Crookbond]

IPL in some sense reflects the average Indian society.

[PaceAttack]

What ???IPL unearthed Marshall' date='Lillee,Ambrose...:omg:[/quote'] Don't underestimate anyone. Marshall, lillie Ambrose were new faces when they started to play