mishra Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 ^^ @hari I have no problem with the Muslims. In fact I have quite a big group of Muslim friends. I infact have been to the Mosque with them. When I went first time, while entering, I admit that i had a sense of unease and intimidation. But now i feel just quite comfortable there too. Problematic part is Hadiths. Because Prophet told that as per god its his group of followers are the best people on earth, Those guys gave their interpretion what prophet would have done in a given case. And to top it all even now Maulanas are interpreting it. While modern legal system has facility for interpreters (judges and lawyer) to ask for clarification from parliament, Unfortunately Shariah doesn't have the tool to refer back to prophet and ask for clarification.
hari504504 Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 ^^ @hari I have no problem with the Muslims. In fact I have quite a big group of Muslim friends. I infact have been to the Mosque with them. When I went first time, while entering, I admit that i had a sense of unease and intimidation. But now i feel just quite comfortable there too. Problematic part is Hadiths. Because Prophet told that as per god its his group of followers are the best people on earth, Those guys gave their interpretion what prophet would have done in a given case. And to top it all even now Maulanas are interpreting it. While modern legal system has facility for interpreters (judges and lawyer) to ask for clarification from parliament, Unfortunately Shariah doesn't have the tool to refer back to prophet and ask for clarification. i have no muslim hate either ..there are tolerant muslims too. But all these global shariah-mongers are just despicable, maybe its a problem with their interpretation.. all of a sudden they just turn it into an overimposing menace. EDL and BNP at the grassroots level are just a bunch of drunk thugs.. but the party as such has identified the problem perfectly.
mishra Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 A simple example of Sharia law. Non believers should pay Jazia. Now this is portrayed as religious persecution. But if you dig deeper, You will find that Muslims should give Zakat. To me bottom line was everyone should pay tax to the state. But Maulavis would be humane in interpreting how to and how much to generate in the name of zakat. And Jazia will be collected ruthlessly. So its interpretation by Maulavis introduce religious persecution.
kabira Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 My only problem with Good and moderate muslims is they don't do **** about their religion... Most of the time they fear persecution....they just don't want to see the mirror.
Sooda Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 How come we dont see Hindu or Sikhs indulging in such things in Britain' date=' at least nowhere close to the extent that Muslims are involved. Be it terrorism or such despicable acts.[/quote'] Muslims eh? How come we dont see arabs or Indian muslims or white muslims. And if it is indeed cultural, their 'Pakistaniyat', then what about the scores of Pakistani and Pak origin doctors in the UK, is that their Pakistaniyat shining through? A few weeks ago an eastern european gang was caught, Romanian I think, sex slave trading. Thats their Romanian-ness right?!
Lurker Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Muslims eh? How come we dont see arabs or Indian muslims or white muslims. And if it is indeed cultural, their 'Pakistaniyat', then what about the scores of Pakistani and Pak origin doctors in the UK, is that their Pakistaniyat shining through? A few weeks ago an eastern european gang was caught, Romanian I think, sex slave trading. Thats their Romanian-ness right?! Completely agree Sooda. It still beggars the question though, Whats wrong with many of these Pakistani Muslim migrants? True there are many decent Pakistani Muslim migrants too, but a lot of problems like this can be traced back to a common section of society. Is there something that we are missing? Maybe a whole lot that should not have been let in were let in? Indian Muslims, for example, dont do this perhaps because migration from India to UK in yesteryears was not as easy as say from Pakistan to England? Perhaps?
Tiger80 Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Muslims eh? How come we dont see arabs or Indian muslims or white muslims. And if it is indeed cultural, their 'Pakistaniyat', then what about the scores of Pakistani and Pak origin doctors in the UK, is that their Pakistaniyat shining through? A few weeks ago an eastern european gang was caught, Romanian I think, sex slave trading. Thats their Romanian-ness right?! What is Pakistaniyat? BTW here is something Muslim rape wave in Sweden http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_in_sweden/ According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Brå, it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects.
seedhi Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Muslims eh? How come we dont see arabs or Indian muslims or white muslims. And if it is indeed cultural, their 'Pakistaniyat', then what about the scores of Pakistani and Pak origin doctors in the UK, is that their Pakistaniyat shining through? A few weeks ago an eastern european gang was caught, Romanian I think, sex slave trading. Thats their Romanian-ness right?!What separates the paki punjabis from the Indian punjabis except their religion, but all the punjabi fanatics and perverts in Britain come from the islamic side of punjab. Obviously, this abnormal behavior has something to do with religion. You dont see Hindus/Sikhs going around asking for Sikh or Hindu version Sharia law do you. If you cannot even admit that British Muslims produce a hugely disproportionate number of religious fanatics then there can be no honest debate with you anyway. How many terrorist plots involving Hindus have been unearthed in Britain? Compare that to muslims. Is there an equivalent of Al-qaeda or Taliban in ANY other religion?
hari504504 Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Is there an equivalent of Al-qaeda or Taliban in ANY other religion? Exactly, people when they go abroad usually try to assimilate with the local population while practicing their personal beliefs without aggravating anyone, only in susbsections of Islam have I seen such people close themselves up into ghettos, look at everyone with suspicion and forever trying to 'revert' everyone into their religeon and now the global caliphate pamphlets which is nothing but directly threatening the way of life over there..watch the Geert Wilders Videos on youtube and neutrally assess what he is saying, if you have been to Europe and witnessed it first hand you can do nothing but agree with what he's saying. He's faced immense backlash in Europe mainly because somehow anything and everything to do with this subject gets equated to being a Nazi, extreme political correctness expected..etc
Andrew Peter Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 LTTE ... as per the resident thekedar of secularism ... :giggle: Another mahashay who is in the forefront when it comes to protecting jihadis once claimed that RSS = Taliban . No prizes for guessing who these specimen are.
Utalk Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 So you guys think these girls were targeted because they were non Muslim/White? These guys were doing some sort of religious service by raping these girls? Rapes are exclusive to pakistanis? This whole thing has happened in an area ten miles from where we live. These guys are jaahil/ illiterate men who came from Pakistan in late 80s early 90s. Most of them have been kicked out from their homes by their wives. For them it was a case of easy cheap thrill. They would do the same to Pakistani girls if possible. Difference is Pakistani girls won't look twice these scumbags. Most of them drink and do drugs. As a matter of fact this story came out when one drunken man beat one of the girls up after she was caught stealing from him. She went to the police to report an assault and only after that the whole story came out. Please don't make this a religious issue as this has nothing to do with the religion or nationality. These men are sick criminals that are found everywhere.
arun81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 ^^^ The highest number of sexual predators in UK are from Pakistan and i'm assuming they are muslims. We don't see Indian muslims in it. There seems to more from Morocco, Tunisia etc... If you want to check the stats do a simpe google on sexual abuse in UK Read this for more proof http://manvirsingh.blogspot.in/2012/02/grooming-documentary.htmlf5wNqwJIGHI Z1UQWjCJjjc o2EI5vx-bVM
mishra Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 These guys were doing some sort of religious service by raping these girls? Rapes are exclusive to pakistanis? ... These guys are jaahil/ illiterate men who came from Pakistan in late 80s early 90s. Most of them have been kicked out from their homes by their wives. ... Please don't make this a religious issue as this has nothing to do with the religion or nationality. .. How do you explain one in four child groomer in Britain is a Muslim (specially Pakistani). While each individual there may not be ideologically driven but where does ideology actually classifies it as rape(add Kuffar girls in the equation too)? These men are sick criminals that are found everywhere. :facepalm: Typical response of so called Moderate Muslims
Utalk Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 How do you explain one in four child groomer in Britain is a Muslim (specially Pakistani). While each individual there may not be ideologically driven but where does ideology actually classifies it as rape(add Kuffar girls in the equation too)? :facepalm: Typical response of so called Moderate Muslims Why don't you provide them stats and esp Pakistani bit. I was talking about the ongoing case that is happening not too far from me. Knowing these men who drink and do drugs surely they are following ideology as you put it. As for your last point no I don't class myself as a moderate Muslim just being Muslim is enough. Moderate Muslim is a term given by media nothing to do with Islam. And are you denying that sick minded criminals/rapists exist in every country?
mishra Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Why don't you provide them stats and esp Pakistani bit. I was talking about the ongoing case that is happening not too far from me. .. 25% child groomers belong to Muslim population wasnt mine out of air stats. Do your research you will get that info too. Apart from Manchester there have been highlighted cases in Derby,Leeds, Shefield.... I don't have to tell you that privacy laws stop divulging details of each convict. Knowing these men who drink and do drugs surely they are following ideology as you put it. Read post 29 on the thread(It involves drinking). I don't have to quote Hadith to you to tell where and how do Muslims get justification As for your last point no I don't class myself as a moderate Muslim just being Muslim is enough. Moderate Muslim is a term given by media nothing to do with Islam. I and probably media always give benefit of doubt when judging Muslim people. In the internet age there are no ignorant. :--D. Listen this when you get free time. I do not need write it all but you will find a lot of the justification in there for ....... and why people aren't surprised when a Muslim behaves in certain way. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLvRt5gYYPc]Is Islam a Religion of Peace? ( Opening Statements - 1 of 3 ) - YouTube[/ame] Finally.... "There are rapist every where". Is that your best justification to groom children from Kuffaar community ? :blink:.
PriyankaSR Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Girls as young as 13 Raped so many times she lost count Use of alcohol and drugs to the point where they couldn't recall the # of times they were raped and who were raping them Their phone #s were passed around and they were used and abused All non muslim kaafir girls All the men knew each other through taxi service Excerpt from the article: The court heard that it was 'common knowledge' among the defendants that the girl was 15 and that Abdul Aziz would give her lifts to school while Abdul Rauf asked the other older girl if she 'knew anyone younger'. The court heard that on one occasion the 59-year-old man met two girls at a takeaway where they were given food and vodka. He demanded sex from one 15-year-old, saying: 'It's part of the deal because I bought you vodka, you have to give me something.' Miss Smith said the girl refused and he raped her. When the girl started crying, he said: 'Don't cry, I love you.' faaking animals....hope they get raped in the @ss by bubba in the hole :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
jairamesh Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Trust me these sort activities were not limited to these "taxi drivers" type, on my uni campus in Birmingham there were plenty of these "Britishanis" students who would scavenge around campus at midnight trying to "pick-up" returning drunk student girls. There was embarrassing leaflet handed-out by campus security warning the girls to stay in large groups and with subtle hint of potential no-gooders' profile, i.e. group will monotone ethnically, will always be a male group, offers a smoke, will be sober (hence don't drink-->religious reasons). What pissed me off was all Asians guys were put under this "scavenger" label by fellow students and the worst was by fellow female Asian friends. This issue ain't about poor upbringing but about cultural (infused with abit religious tones) upbringing encouraging these scum to disrespect women leading these heinous crimes of raping 12 year olds, f ucking disgusting. On the convicted, for crying out loud, some of them were married who had young daughters, it beggars to belief how corroded the minds of these groups of men were. Usually pedophiles commit crimes alone, but this was like a pack after pack of rabid dogs targeting little girls, and common across British cities and towns.
NeutralCat Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 So you think it's only Pakis that do this? Have a look at India, and in particular Delhi, fast becoming the rape capital of the world. Every day in the news more and more disgusting rapes and brutal attacks on women are taking place in India. How about sexual harassment of women? Which Indians like to give the kids name for "eve teasing".
KhanSaab Posted March 4, 2012 Posted March 4, 2012 So you think it's only Pakis that do this? Have a look at India, and in particular Delhi, fast becoming the rape capital of the world. Every day in the news more and more disgusting rapes and brutal attacks on women are taking place in India. How about sexual harassment of women? Which Indians like to give the kids name for "eve teasing". Dude we are demonizing pakistanis in this thread.
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