someone Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Which ones saw such a large scale violence and abuse of state machinery besides '84? Do you realize that the biggest anti-Muslim riots came under your beloved Congress rule and in present time, there is no mention of it, forget about any justice for it. Try Nellie massacre.
adi B Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 elections are coming,modi going on a bharat yatra starting from bihar,better discuss that on this thread rather than who got acquitted or convicted in which riots etc bcoz that`ll meander endlessly
Sachin=GOD Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 elections are coming' date='modi going on a bharat yatra starting from bihar,better discuss that on this thread rather than who got acquitted or convicted in which riots etc bcoz that`ll meander endlessly[/quote'] +1
adi B Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Do you realize that the biggest anti-Muslim riots came under your beloved Congress rule and in present time' date=' there is no mention of it, forget about any justice for it. Try Nellie massacre.[/quote'] reckoned as the biggest pogrom after the WW2
CSK Fan Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 A dialog about Narendra Modi Something very Zaid Hamidisque about this blog. Particularly the bombardic language used without any actual point. Kurukshetra, battle, etc, etc. I offer this article in today's TOI as a counter point http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Problem-of-polariser-for-PM-What-good-is-governance-that-revives-communal-strife-jeopardises-the-very-project-of-governance/articleshow/20960561.cms On June 29, 2013, Syed Zafar Mahmood, president of the Zakat Foundation of India, made a presentation to Narendra Modi on the state of the Muslims and their depiction on the official BJP website. It raised many troubling issues, including an essay which said that all Muslim women should wear mangalsutras, and the condition of the resettlement colonies of victims affected by the 2002 riots in Gujarat, located next to mile-long piles of trash, a site not visited by Modi once. I was on a television discussion on this report and was shocked to hear the spokesmen of the BJP from Gujarat repeatedly make the point that 'at least Modi had begun a dialogue with the Muslims', and that he listened 'intently' to the presentation. Are we supposed to celebrate the fact that in his third term as chief minister, 11 years after Godhra, and 66 years after the republic was born, a leader, who has aspirations to become the prime minister of this country, did the great favour on the eve of elections of 'at least' beginning a dialogue with a significant segment of the very citizens he hopes to rule? The fact is that the nation is at a crucial crossroads, and this is a time for very careful reflection. On the one hand we have the juggernaut of an ambitious politician with no expertise other than ruling one state of India, no experience of running a coalition, no reputation of a team leader, very little tolerance to dissent, and a muscular, unidimensional vision of India that excludes large segments of the citizens of this country. On the other hand we have the reality of a multi-religious country, the cradle of four of the great religions of the world, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, a Christian minority, and more adherents of Islam than almost anywhere else in the world. Our founding fathers sought to preserve the vibrant plurality of the nation, and did so not only out of idealism but because the reality of India could admit of no other option. Gujarat's 6% Muslims might have reconciled themselves to a frozen peace, but India is not a mirror image of Gujarat. One-fourth of Kerala is Muslim; 30% of West Bengal is Muslim; every fourth person in Assam in Muslim; 30 million Muslims live in UP; some 15 million in Bihar; every ninth resident of Karnataka is Muslim. Coexistence in India, is thus, as Jawaharlal Nehru said in 1948, not an option, but a compulsion. Some years ago, in a trend best symbolised by Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the BJP had begun to reconsider its narrow Hindutva orientation, in order to make the party's appeal more broad-based and in congruence with the realities of India. This was in its own self-interest, since the dividends of an overtly communal profile were diminishing. The people of India, the BJP seemed to be realising, were no longer willing to be pawns of politicians who sought to divide them on the basis of religious belief. But today, the saner ins-tincts of this party are being hijacked by one individual, thereby threatening the stability and peace of India. Some elements of the middle class in urban India are being seduced by the argument that Narendra Modi is the only man who can deliver better governance. This is a mythology created by Modi and his formidable PR team, and needs to be rigorously interrogated. No one individual has a monopoly on governance. In Bihar, Nitish Kumar brought a state ravaged beyond belief by 15 years of Lalu Prasad's misrule to the top of the country's growth charts for five consecutive years. Gujarat may have benefited in some respects by Modi's rule, but it was always a more developed state. Even within the BJP there are other leaders, and chief ministers, whose track record of governance is as good if not better and in more difficult conditions. The Human Resource Index of Gujarat leaves much to be desired. Some corporate leaders may think that Modi is their saviour, but not more than a fraction of what he claimed to have got in the campaign of Vibrant Gujarat, has actually trickled in. And, finally — and this is something that touches the life of every Indian — of what good is governance if it revives communal strife thereby jeopardising the very project of governance? Beyond political acrimony, therefore, the nation must think. The BJP must, in spite of the carefully orchestrated hysteria of some of its own cadres, seriously introspect, and Indian voters must very carefully decide, before backing an individual whose governance record is limited to one state and is patchy, but who has already divided a party and will polarise a nation. In this endeavour, lines from one of the poems of Atal Bihari Vajpayee, which i had the honour to translate at his request, come to mind: "What matters is this: That there be expanse with height/ So that a man/ Is not fixed and dead as a stump/ But blends in and belongs with others/ Winning some to his cause/ Falling in step with others/ My Lord! Never place me so high/ That I cannot embrace/ Those who are not my own."
Khalpat Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Something very Zaid Hamidisque about this blog. Particularly the bombardic language used without any actual point. Kurukshetra, battle, etc, etc. I offer this article in today's TOI as a counter point http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Problem-of-polariser-for-PM-What-good-is-governance-that-revives-communal-strife-jeopardises-the-very-project-of-governance/articleshow/20960561.cms I think you should also specify that the writer is a JDU leader not any Journalist or neutral observer.
someone Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Something very Zaid Hamidisque about this blog. Particularly the bombardic language used without any actual point. Kurukshetra, battle, etc, etc. I offer this article in today's TOI as a counter point The article is with a lot of flawed logic and little substance. Firstly, good governance itself means inclusive growth. And next what exactly is meant by inclusive growth type and why its exclusivity to Muslims? Reading that article, it seems that it is on additional or special benefits just because some are Muslims. And then the ground reality is Gujarat is one of the better states in India for Muslims and there is no hunting down for Muslims which many so called "secularists" believe and want others to believe. Not my words, but words of Gujarat Muslims.
saneindian Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 About to be named BJP's and NDA's PM candidate. (LINK) The anti-Modi brigade should be celebrating as it kills the BJP and finishes it off, instead all I see is same arguments being regurgitated as to why he shouldn't be the PM-designate of BJP. The first move has been made by the BJP, second one about to be made. Let the people decide who deserves to be the PM.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 ^Ab aayega mazaa Ab "Superman" ki sachchai saamne aajayegi...
FischerTal Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 ^Ab aayega mazaa Ab "Superman" ki sachchai saamne aajayegi... sapnon se bhare naina :clap:
saneindian Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 ^Ab aayega mazaa Ab "Superman" ki sachchai saamne aajayegi... The start has been good, Bihar and UP two focus states and BJp already has some traction there from the measly 22 seats they won there. Gaypatti (cowbelt) has 135 seats ( 80 UP, 5 UK, 14 J'khand, 40 Bihar)- Modi has to target at least 60 out of these to push BJP past 180. And going by initial reports , RSS organization in both the states especially UP, is after years, getting active slowly under Amit Shah. Reports also suggest, Congress planning for a winter election to deny the BJP time to rebuild the base organization (booth level committees) and also to arrest the anti incumbency. Fun times ahead.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 sapnon se bhare naina :clap: array abhi aagey-aagey dekho hota hai kya tumhe bahut mazaa aane waala hai :giggle:
FischerTal Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 array abhi aagey-aagey dekho hota hai kya tumhe bahut mazaa aane waala hai :giggle: mujhe toh already mazaa aa gaya apke post ko dekh khar :giggle:
someone Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 3 Reasons to not vote for Narendra Modi Well, even if you are Pro-Modi, you should read it. Good article
Sachin=GOD Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 3 Reasons to not vote for Narendra Modi must say it takes a special kind of talent to come up with such utter BS :hatsoff:
FischerTal Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 must say it takes a special kind of talent to come up with such utter BS :hatsoff: thats reserved for Diggy Mamu and unfortunately, Advaniji these days :hatsoff:
adi B Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 some known communal riots]WORST riot 1: 1947 Communal riots in Bengal | 5000-10000 Killed | Ruling party happened to be Congress Riot 2: 1969 | Communal riots in Ahmedabad | More than 512 Killed in the city. 3000 to 15000 range in the entire state | Riots for 6 months | Ruling party happened to be Congress Riot 3: Oct 1984 | Communal riots in Delhi | 2733 Killed | Ruling party Congress | Almost 100% casualty were Sikhs, which makes this a Rajiv Gandhi led genocide on India’s minorities | Followed by “Big Tree falls” justification too from the Prime Minister! Riot 4: Feb 1983 | Communal violence in Nellie, Assam | 2000-5000 killed | PM – Indira Gandhi (Congress party) – India’s worst slaughter of Muslims in any single riot (just 6 HOURS) Riot 5: 1964 Communal riots in Rourkela & Jamshedpur | 2000 Killed | Ruling party Congress Riot 6: August 1980 | Moradabad Communal riots | Approx 2000 Killed | Ruling Party Congress Riot 7: October 1989 | Bhagalpur, Bihar riots | 800 to 2000 killed | Ruling party Congress Riot 8: Dec 1992 – Jan 1993 | Mumbai, Maharashtra riots | 800 to 2000 killed | Ruling party Congress Riot 9: April 1985 | Communal riots in Ahmedabad, Gujarat | At least 300 Killed | Ruling party Congress Riot 10: Dec 1992 | Aligarh, UP | At least 176 killed | Ruling party Congress (President’s rule) Riot 11: December 1992 | Surat, Gujarat | At least 175 killed | Ruling party Congress Riot 12: December 1990 | Hyderabad, AP | At least 132 killed | Ruling party Congress Riot 13: August 1967 | 200 Killed | Communal riots in Ranchi | Party ruling again Congress Riot 14: April 1979 | Communal riots in Jamshedpur, West Bengal | More than 125 killed | Ruling party CPIM (Communist Party) Riot 15: 1970 | Bhiwandi communal riots in Maharashtra | Around 80 killed | Ruling party Congress Riot 16: May 1984 | Communal riots in Bhiwandi | 146 Killed, 611 Inj | Ruling party Congress | CM – Vasandada Patil Riot 17: Apr-May 1987 | Communal violence in Meerut, UP | 81 killed | Ruling party Congress Riot 18: July 1986 | Communal violence in Ahmedabad, Gujarat | 59 Killed | Ruling party Congress
The Outsider Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Do you realize that the biggest anti-Muslim riots came under your beloved Congress rule and in present time' date=' there is no mention of it, forget about any justice for it. Try Nellie massacre.[/quote'] Yeah, and I suppose the people involved in that administration are PM candidates in the next general election? Talk about throwing one red herring after another.
FischerTal Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Yeah' date=' and I suppose the people involved in that administration are PM candidates in the next general election? Talk about throwing one red herring after another.[/quote'] When a tree falls, the earth is shaken... Who said that? :nervous:
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