A cricketing question

[Ultimate_Game]

Wanted to find out what would happen in the following scenario as per laws of cricket... Bowler bowls a no-ball, clean bowls the batsman and the ball crosses the boundary after hitting the stumps. In this case will the batting team get 4 runs or the ball is ruled dead as soon as the bail comes off? On a similar note, after the batsman is bowled off a no-ball the ball ends up in fine leg area (didn't reach the boundary in this case). Can the batsmen run and score runs in this case?

[Cricket Tragic]

Yes, the runs go down as byes.

[Ultimate_Game]

Yes' date=' the runs go down as byes.[/quote'] I have seen plenty of matches where a batsman was bowled off a no-ball and the bll ended up away from fielders but I never saw any batsman try to take runs. Not even a single incident like that. Surely we would have seen batsmen steal runs if that were the case? However, I haven't seen umpires signal a dead-ball when the bails are off so am confused.

[Trichromatic]

I have seen plenty of matches where a batsman was bowled off a no-ball and the bll ended up away from fielders but I never saw any batsman try to take runs. Not even a single incident like that. Surely we would have seen batsmen steal runs if that were the case? However' date=' I haven't seen umpires signal a dead-ball when the bails are off so am confused.[/quote'] By laws, batsman is is free to run. But they don't try to. Also ball rarely goes far away when batsman is bowled.

[Ultimate_Game]

By laws' date=' batsman is is free to run. But they don't try to. Also ball rarely goes far away when batsman is bowled.[/quote'] I have seen the ball deflected to 3rd man or fine leg region when the batsman was bowled off a no ball. The ball doesn't go far away in case it hits the stumps flush in the middle but it does when a pacer is bowling and the ball hits the side of off or leg stumps. It gets deflected a fair bit but most of the times batsmen are just content to stand there and have never seen an umpire give 4 byes when the ball crossed the boundary.

[Cricket Tragic]

I have seen plenty of matches where a batsman was bowled off a no-ball and the bll ended up away from fielders but I never saw any batsman try to take runs. Not even a single incident like that. Surely we would have seen batsmen steal runs if that were the case? However' date=' I haven't seen umpires signal a dead-ball when the bails are off so am confused.[/quote'] I've seen batsmen run after being bowled. :dontknow: It doesn't happen often because: 1) Many international players don't know the rules 2) The opportunity is rare because often the batsmen does not hear the call and walks back, the ball is too close to a fielder etc Give me 2 mins and I can dig up atleast 1 video.

[Ultimate_Game]

I've seen batsmen run after being bowled. :dontknow: It doesn't happen often because: 1) Many international players don't know the rules 2) The opportunity is rare because often the batsmen does not hear the call and walks back, the ball is too close to a fielder etc Give me 2 mins and I can dig up atleast 1 video.

That will be great :two_thumbs_up:

[Cricket Tragic]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv-uiK6gQos]McGrath uproots stumps off a no-ball - YouTube[/ame]

[Trichromatic]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nTx-n80L_M]Unsporting cricket by the West Indies - Dean Jones bizarre run out - YouTube[/ame]

[Cricket Tragic]

I was damn sure that I'd seen Sehwag getting bowled and then crossing over for a run. I spent the past few minutes thinking of which match it was. It was against Malinga but we've played a million matches against them recently. A bit of effort and I got it!

Malinga to Sehwag, 1 bye, 144.0 kph, The leg stump has been uprooted from earth! It was the low full toss and Sehwag moved outside leg and tried to whack it to the off-side. Swing and a miss. The ball crashed into the stumps. They cross over for a run.

[Cricket Tragic]

^That was off a free hit but they did run after the ball hit the stumps.

[Ultimate_Game]

Thanks bud! That was exactly what I was looking for.

[Crookbond]

Dean Jones was not out though, according to the rules.

[Ultimate_Game]

Dean Jones was not out though' date=' according to the rules.[/quote'] They changed the rules later (IIRC late 90s). Before that a batsman could be run-out while walking off of a no-ball.

[Precambrian]

Dean Jones was not out though' date=' according to the rules.[/quote'] Not back then iirc.. after that incident I believe the new rule was written into the laws

[Cricket Tragic]

Just to add that it stays as no balls unless the batsman is bowled off the free hit like Sehwag was (in limited overs).

[The Outsider]

They changed the rules later (IIRC late 90s). Before that a batsman could be run-out while walking off of a no-ball.

Not sure about that. As far as I remember the "attempting to take a run" has been there. I vaguely remember Srikkanth(?) running out some New Zealand batsman around '88 after he had swept the ball into Srikkanth's helmet which popped up for a catch. The batsman started walking thinking he was out and then Srikkanth ran him out. There was some controversy as to how the umpire should have ruled it not out.

[LilleeoftheNile]

I've seen batsmen run after being bowled. :dontknow: It doesn't happen often because: 1) Many international players don't know the rules 2) The opportunity is rare because often the batsmen does not hear the call and walks back, the ball is too close to a fielder etc Give me 2 mins and I can dig up atleast 1 video.

That will be great :two_thumbs_up:

Yes it was...great answer :two_thumbs_up:

[Mariyam]

Suppose Dale Steyn is bowling and Dhoni is on strike. Dhoni is a very hard hitter, and what if the cricket ball breaks into 7 pieces after he's hit it. 3 of the pieces cross the boundary for a 6 and the other 4 are caught by fielders. Will Dhoni be judged out? What if the weight of the 3 pieces that crossed the boundary accounts for 50.01% of the cricket ball and the weight of the 4 pieces that were caught accounts for 49.99%, will Dhoni still be judged out? Will it be a 6? Or will it be some kind of a weighted (unintended pun) average of the 7 pieces.

[Crookbond]

They changed the rules later (IIRC late 90s). Before that a batsman could be run-out while walking off of a no-ball.

Not back then iirc.. after that incident I believe the new rule was written into the laws

Don't think so - I have heard Dean Jones in an interview saying that he should have known it was NOT OUT. Deano later diligently read all rules in the book and even exploited them on certain occasions. :--D