Karan114 Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 India spinners 'no mystery' - Swann Joe Fish November 6, 2012 Graeme Swann does not believe that India's slow-bowling attack possesses the mystery to exploit England's recent struggles with spin on the subcontinent. A record of just three Test victories from a possible 19 in Asia, excluding matches against Bangladesh, can largely be attributed to England's troubles against high-quality spin bowling. These deficiencies were never more evident than in their most recent trips to Asia, where they were whitewashed 3-0 by Pakistan in the United Arab Emirates at the start of the year. A drawn series against Sri Lanka in April restored some pride but did nothing to hide the fact that England were nowhere near to finding a solution to their issues against spin. During those five Test matches at the beginning of this year, spinners accounted for 84% of England's total dismissals, with Pakistan's Saeed Ajmal, who claimed 24 wickets in three Tests, the principal beneficiary. However, India's lack of a comparable, unorthodox spinner and the "more traditional" pitches - compared to the alien conditions of the UAE - give Swann confidence that there will not be a repeat of England's early 2012 woes. "I think last winter was a bit different," Swann said. "First of all, when we played in Dubai that was not really the subcontinent, that wicket was very unique in the sense that it was very skiddy and span as well. India's wickets are more traditional, more what people are used to, so I would be very surprised if that happened again. "Secondly, we were bowled out by a mystery spinner that batsmen could not pick. India are not really blessed with a mystery spinner like that." Instead, the options in MS Dhoni's 15-man squad include the offspin of Ravichandran Ashwin and the recalled Harbhajan Singh and slow left-armer Pragyan Ojha. Although Ashwin has enjoyed a promising start to his Test career, with 49 wickets at 26.63, Swann's contention that he does not fit the "mystery spinner" description may give England optimism of improving their concerning statistics against slow bowling. Swann admits that these now well-documented troubles have plagued England's subcontinent form but is expecting the Test pitches in India to turn less than the Mumbai dustbowls of old. Discussing England's inability to play spin, Swann said: "That has been levelled at us for a few years now and justifiably so. We have had a poor record against spin bowling over there. I think that is more of a mental thing now because the wickets are not that different around the world. Certainly the wickets we played on in Sri Lanka were not really spin friendly. "They were not any different to playing at Old Trafford or Trent Bridge. They tend to spin more on day four and five but at times like that we need to forget where we are playing and just go out and play the ball as it comes down." Swann believes the batsmen have learnt from their struggles against Pakistan and Sri Lanka and are now better prepared tactically for the inevitable spin onslaught that will greet them when the first of four Tests begins in Ahmedabad on November 15. "I think we went into our shells a bit in the UAE and suffered as a consequence," he said. "We have learned, certainly as batsmen, that you have to be positive and you have to be more aggressive when you bat. We have got so much talent in the squad that I would not be surprised if we went to India in the Test series and really dominated with the bat." Not since defeating Sri Lanka in 2000-01 have England claimed an away series victory over one of the major subcontinental nations, and just twice in eight attempts have they left with a draw. Swann, however, is adamant that they are capable of ending their suffering in Alastair Cook's first series as official Test captain. "It is probably the trickiest place in the world to go and win apart from Australia. We did it in Australia; we went over there and we won 3-1," Swann said. "Most of the current team have got experience of that tour and we need to take that to India, use that and go there with belief that we can win. "They are exceptionally good players on their own pitches. We are going to need to play very good cricket to beat them, but I firmly believe we can do it." http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/589947.html
Sooda Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 He is right. Ojha certainly has no mystery about him, Ashwin hads that carrom ball, but it is not a weapon like Ajmals doosra. Then again, Rehman took wickets aginst them too, he is very much a flat left armer, possibly benefitted from Ajmal at the other end...
indiaregulator Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Que 50 forummers here slating Swann, overrated, crap in SC, needs to shut his mouth comments etc etc so on so forth.
Number Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Can someone ask him, how come he is decently successful without a mystery ball?
Old guy Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 yuvraj got 5 wickets against them:hysterical:
indiaregulator Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Can someone ask him, how come he is decently successful without a mystery ball? Because he has the best offbreak in world cricket since Murali. Even Ajmal's offbreak doesn't turn or bounce as much as Swann's.
indiaregulator Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Realistically, it doesnt matter if that batsman was Farhat, Kohli, Tendulkar, Sehwag, nobody can play that. YaGWOvWMDDc
Number Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 ^ Beauty. :hatsoff: Because he has the best offbreak in world cricket since Murali. Even Ajmal's offbreak doesn't turn or bounce as much as Swann's. That's why you don't need much of mystery if you get good turn and bounce, can beat the batsman in flight. Mystery of course is a bonus.
kabira Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 even before we did not have any mystery.. Kumble never had any mystery...Bhajji was consistent at home... Spinners need big score on the board...our batsman has to provide that and rest they will take care.
Crookbond Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 ^ Beauty. :hatsoff: . That's why you don't need much of mystery if you get good turn and bounce, can beat the batsman in flight. Mystery of course is a bonus. Another aspect of modern day spin bowling - to achieve all that you said AND bowl around 85-90 kph. Bowling slow gives the batsman time to adjust to the spin/flight. Increasingly successful spin bowlers in the modern day arena are the ones who do traditional spin traits but 10kph quicker. lQ_bxYohXA0&feature=related
Sooda Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 ^ well there are not that many spinners who flight the ball really?... Im not sure one can flight the ball and also bowl quickly. Youre right spinners these days are quicker than ever that is because they are largely defensive and in the process gave up flighting the ball and looking for real turn. Ajmal possibly an excpetion....thats why pitches that are not flat are so important at home...
Tendulkar_Bhai Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Swann the man who struggles in the sub continent when this should be his playground !! Does he not realise that its not the mystery spinners eng struggle with but they are s*** against all spin bowling!
indiaregulator Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Swann the man who struggles in the sub continent when this should be his playground !! Knew somebody would say that! I had the stats copied and pasted at the ready! Averages 22.18 in Sri Lanka Averages 25.12 in Bangladesh Averages 25.07 in UAE Averages 39 in India (it was his first test series ever and he was playing Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid etc all in their primes) Average of 26 in the SC. Suck on that.
Crookbond Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 ^ well there are not that many spinners who flight the ball really?... Im not sure one can flight the ball and also bowl quickly. Youre right spinners these days are quicker than ever that is because they are largely defensive and in the process gave up flighting the ball and looking for real turn. Ajmal possibly an excpetion....thats why pitches that are not flat are so important at home... I meant flighting and bowling quickly - just striking balance between flight and pace.
Clarke Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Good, now comes the tough part about your batsmen having to back up your words.
shortbread Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Knew somebody would say that! I had the stats copied and pasted at the ready! Averages 22.18 in Sri Lanka Averages 25.12 in Bangladesh Averages 25.07 in UAE Averages 39 in India (it was his first test series ever and he was playing Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid etc all in their primes) Average of 26 in the SC. Suck on that. Keep the sucking to yourself. Spinners with greater figures and bigger names have come to India and gone. Even the stats above where he averages 39 and your following excuse proves that he'll be faff all for India. The likes of Sehwag, Sachin, Kohli will deal with foreign spin at home even playing left handed, let alone their prime. Warne, Murali, Mendis have all made a lot of noise before playing India at home. He'll simply add to that list.
indiaregulator Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 The arrogance of some Indian fans is disturbing. Some of the comments over the past few weeks have been England/Aussie Level arrogance. Even the stats above where he averages 39 and your following excuse proves that he'll be faff all for India. So jimmy Anderson would be faff all in Australia then because he averages 37 there? Oh dear
Tendulkar_Bhai Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Knew somebody would say that! I had the stats copied and pasted at the ready! Averages 22.18 in Sri Lanka Averages 25.12 in Bangladesh Averages 25.07 in UAE Averages 39 in India (it was his first test series ever and he was playing Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid etc all in their primes) Average of 26 in the SC. Suck on that. ...doesnt really prove anything, UAE is not a typical subcontinent pitch and we saw v Pakistan spin was there from day 1 which is why he, Panesar and Ajmal + Rehman decided the series. V India 39 is poor when you look at how Ashwin+Ojha have done during their first 2 home series, the fact it was his first time in India doesnt matter as he has had 5yrs+ experience. In addition he averages 39.8 in Australia, 31 in SA (170.00 in ODI's in 7 matches!!), 48 in UAE ODI's.
Tendulkar_Bhai Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 The arrogance of some Indian fans is disturbing. Some of the comments over the past few weeks have been England/Aussie Level arrogance. If you are so against India and want to have Graham Swann's babies please visit - www.barmyarmy.com I have seen no arrogance at all, people are quite realistic about where our strengths and weaknesses lie and how this will be a close series due to our poor batting form and 3rd rate bowling unit. The comments for us winning are due to England's previous dismal play against spin. Maybe you want everyone to bow down to your colonial rulers and let them walk over you.
indiaregulator Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 I have seen no arrogance at all, people are quite realistic about where our strengths and weaknesses lie and how this will be a close series due to our poor batting form and 3rd rate bowling unit. The comments for us winning are due to England's previous dismal play against spin. Maybe you want everyone to bow down to your colonial rulers and let them walk over you. The bloke who started predicitng 4-0 and made a thread saying they'll smash England? This quote for one. The likes of Sehwag, Sachin, Kohli will deal with foreign spin at home even playing left handed, let alone their prime. the fact it was his first time in India doesnt matter as he has had 5yrs+ experience. Erm no. It was his first test series...EVER.
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