CG Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 However, Dhoni stood by his demand for exactly the kind of pitch this Test was played on. "I think this was a very good wicket," he said. "Tests in the subcontinent should be played on such wickets. The toss wasn't that vital. It started turning from the first day." Dhoni insisted he would love to get such pitches more often, regardless of the result here. "Of course I will want a similar wicket," he said. "That's what our speciality is. What's the point of playing on a flat track and winning the toss and batting for three or four days over the Test? You want to face challenges in test cricket. These are the kinds of wickets that push you. Definitely all the wickets should be like this." However, Dhoni's reasoning for such pitches calls for a much better show from the players in Kolkata. "The best thing about these conditions is, no side is guaranteed a win," Dhoni said. "You have to play well to win." If India do get another turner, they will "have to play well to win." http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/593240.html :hysterical::cantstop::giggle::finger:
namasteji1 Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 He's gone mad. Now he is trying to justify his demand for turning tracks earlier and maintaining that opinion.
Rohit S. Ambani Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 He has a point, India atleast manage to take 20 wickets on Wankhede type pitch. Otherwise our bowling attack is hopeless, if Ashwin can give 160-2 kinda performance on vicious spin wicket then one can only wonder what will happen to him on flat deck. EDIT: oops sorry, I forgot we got thrashed by 10 wickets, so only 10 wickets in match for allmost 500 runs. :omg:
NareshK Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 This is the type of wicket that is good for test cricket. It will be a snooze fest to watch games which are played on flat tracks where team wins the toss scores 500 or 600. It could be bad for our team because most of them seem to be struggling for runs but at the same time, it will expose their weaknesses. That's what a test match is supposed to do, test the batsmen and bowlers.
CG Posted November 26, 2012 Author Posted November 26, 2012 If we do not learn from Mistakes we are idiots.We should want a result wicket which brings everybody in to the game.It was a dumb decison to go for turning track after winning the 1st test . We have won most matches in india on good wickets which have bounce and aid reverse swing. Add the fact our batting lineup is a not in best of forms .So its better to go on a normal eden wicket which aids swing [it will no matter what] and spins in last 2 days.
CG Posted November 26, 2012 Author Posted November 26, 2012 It was a good pitch. It was not as it just negated one skill-Fast bowling out of the game.
NareshK Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 It was not as it just negated one skill-Fast bowling out of the game. There was still enough bounce and carry in the wicket, much more than at Motera. Captains just chose to bowl spin as it seemed more effective. I thought Zaheer should have bowled more overs, especially to Cook in the beginning.
CG Posted November 26, 2012 Author Posted November 26, 2012 There was still enough bounce and carry in the wicket' date=' much more than at Motera. Captains just chose to bowl spin as it seemed more effective. I thought Zaheer should have bowled more overs, especially to Cook in the beginning.[/quote'] What carry ,Edges were not carrying.India strength has been reverse swing in recent years we have to play on abrasive pitches which turn on 3rd day not rank turners.
SLICKR392 Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 I don't see whats wrong in this? People blame him if he says he wants a patta or something similar. Nothing wrong with this statement.
CG Posted November 26, 2012 Author Posted November 26, 2012 I don't see whats wrong in this? People blame him if he says he wants a patta or something similar. Nothing wrong with this statement. We should play to our strength not englands as england spinners are suited to these pitches.
NareshK Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 What carry ' date='Edges were not carrying.India strength has been reverse swing in recent years we have to play on abrasive pitches which turn on 3rd day not rank turners.[/quote'] Its this over reliance on pitches which has cost India a lot. A turning pitch should be our home advantage. If that cant do the job, nothing else can. One thing's for sure. If India keeps preparing flat batting friendly wickets like they have been doing for a while, we can say goodbye to tests in a couple of years. Nothing is more boring than watching batsmen score runs all day against a bowling attack which is rendered impotent by a flat track and a captain who has to set a defensive field.
Needforspeed Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Indian batsmen do best on slow low pattas. A bit of bounce and we are finished. Bouncing spinning tracks will only backfire on us like it did at Wankade.
SLICKR392 Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 What you want to lose 3-1. It's not about losing or winning. We were horrible in this match but it was one hell of a match until we collapsed in our 2nd innings. If you bowl first you get decent swing and enough carry considering its in the SC. It was humiliating to be hammered by spin and our spinners were crap aswell. If they start bowling good line and length with good pace and turn we can beat them with ease.
CG Posted November 26, 2012 Author Posted November 26, 2012 Really what are we on about we have a great record at home on flat pitches.I really think its revenge thing which has made us prepare such tracks- Best home records in history of cricket [table=head]Captain Teams Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO HS LS *MS Dhoni 1 2008-2012 22 15 1 0 5 15.00 46.33 3.59 726 209 *SR Waugh 1 1999-2004 29 22 2 0 5 11.00 50.04 3.80 735 196 *Javed Miandad 1 1980-1990 22 10 1 0 11 10.00 35.29 2.99 555 102 *GP Howarth 1 1980-1985 17 8 1 0 8 8.00 32.28 2.69 537 100 *IVA Richards 1 1984-1991 24 15 2 0 7 7.50 37.53 3.32 569 149 *WG Grace 1 1888-1899 10 7 1 0 2 7.00 22.97 2.61 483 84 *CH Lloyd 1 1976-1984 24 13 2 0 9 6.50 39.72 3.11 550 154 *RGD Willis 1 1982-1983 9 6 1 0 2 6.00 34.45 2.86 594 209 *RT Ponting 1 2004-2010 39 29 5 0 5 5.80 44.10 3.61 602 98 *DG Bradman 1 1936-1948 15 10 2 0 3 5.00 42.51 2.90 674 58 *APF Chapman 1 1926-1930 8 5 1 0 2 5.00 36.83 2.90 438 270 *KC Sangakkara 1 2009-2010 11 5 1 0 5 5.00 45.36 3.58 642 217 *AJ Strauss 1 2006-2012 31 19 4 0 8 4.75 42.96 3.63 710 102 *IM Chappell 1 1971-1975 13 9 2 0 2 4.50 36.69 2.96 585 152 *Imran Khan 1 1982-1992 22 9 2 0 11 4.50 40.72 3.12 699 77[/table]
Sean Bradley Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Dhoni should quit captaincy and take over as a Cheif Curator of Indian Pitches.
NareshK Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Indian batsmen do best on slow low pattas. A bit of bounce and we are finished. Bouncing spinning tracks will only backfire on us like it did at Wankade. They can also do well on pitches with bounce as long as its consistent. Its the seam movement and swing Indian batsmen have a problem with.
Sachin=GOD Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 why? we might have struggled in this one Test but usually Indians have been good players of spin so why not go for a spinning track. It will assist our spinners if they bowl well.
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